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	<title>Comments on: Prop. 8 passage means sorrow for many Alamedans</title>
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		<title>By: Monnie Weiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monnie Weiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 00:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So i&#039;m pleased that Prop 8 has been overturned. So i am not homosexual. Although I&#039;m good friends with people who are. I simply do not see just what the big deal is all about gay people getting the identical legal rights we have now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So i&#8217;m pleased that Prop 8 has been overturned. So i am not homosexual. Although I&#8217;m good friends with people who are. I simply do not see just what the big deal is all about gay people getting the identical legal rights we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who are these people who decides what &quot;normal&quot; is?  Slavery has been &quot;normal&quot; for thousands of years but Americans have only decided in the past 150 or so years to make it not the norm.  Women having equal rights-not the norm for thousands of years.  Democracy wasn&#039;t the norm for thousands of years as well and today, that&#039;s the preferred form of government.  Religious beliefs have changed as well.  Monotheism has been around for maybe four thousand years and still isn&#039;t the primary belief system in large areas of the world.  The definition of &quot;normal&quot; changes from generation to generation.  Interracial marriage was illegal in about 16 states roughly 40 years ago.  It wasn&#039;t until the US Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that overturned the ban.

I&#039;m saddened that Prop 8 passed but not surprised.  People are still bigoted and hide behind any reason they can find to support their bigotry.  I hate to think about the gay and lesbian kids of those who supported the measure but maybe they&#039;ll help their parents and relatives realize that being gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender are normal for some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are these people who decides what &#8220;normal&#8221; is?  Slavery has been &#8220;normal&#8221; for thousands of years but Americans have only decided in the past 150 or so years to make it not the norm.  Women having equal rights-not the norm for thousands of years.  Democracy wasn&#8217;t the norm for thousands of years as well and today, that&#8217;s the preferred form of government.  Religious beliefs have changed as well.  Monotheism has been around for maybe four thousand years and still isn&#8217;t the primary belief system in large areas of the world.  The definition of &#8220;normal&#8221; changes from generation to generation.  Interracial marriage was illegal in about 16 states roughly 40 years ago.  It wasn&#8217;t until the US Supreme Court ruled in Loving v. Virginia that overturned the ban.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saddened that Prop 8 passed but not surprised.  People are still bigoted and hide behind any reason they can find to support their bigotry.  I hate to think about the gay and lesbian kids of those who supported the measure but maybe they&#8217;ll help their parents and relatives realize that being gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender are normal for some.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R. Thomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R. Thomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So if you’re against “forced social acceptance” of children who have personalities and interests and families not in the mainstream (not NORMAL), then what is the alternative?&quot;

- I don&#039;t know, they are your kids, you figure out a solution.  Just don&#039;t attack mainstream family values to do it.

&quot;Continuing to let them get beat up and humiliated at school?&quot;

- Nope, not a solution.  However, if you let your little boy go to school dressed like a girl, you better expect it.  And, when and if it happens, THEN it is the responsibility of the school to step in.  Not because the kid is gay or a transvestite, but because NO violence should be tolerated in our schools.

&quot;I’ll be sure to check in with you the next time I make a lifestyle choice to be sure I have your approval.&quot;

- Why?  It is none of my business what you do and it is none of your business whether I approve or not.

&quot;I assume you won’t mind if I make the same harsh judgments about you and your family?&quot;

- Go ahead, it is still a free country ... barely.  I am sure not going to try to make your homosexual cross-dressing children agree with our way of life.  So stop trying to make my normal kids agree with your way of life ...

:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if you’re against “forced social acceptance” of children who have personalities and interests and families not in the mainstream (not NORMAL), then what is the alternative?&#8221;</p>
<p>- I don&#8217;t know, they are your kids, you figure out a solution.  Just don&#8217;t attack mainstream family values to do it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Continuing to let them get beat up and humiliated at school?&#8221;</p>
<p>- Nope, not a solution.  However, if you let your little boy go to school dressed like a girl, you better expect it.  And, when and if it happens, THEN it is the responsibility of the school to step in.  Not because the kid is gay or a transvestite, but because NO violence should be tolerated in our schools.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’ll be sure to check in with you the next time I make a lifestyle choice to be sure I have your approval.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Why?  It is none of my business what you do and it is none of your business whether I approve or not.</p>
<p>&#8220;I assume you won’t mind if I make the same harsh judgments about you and your family?&#8221;</p>
<p>- Go ahead, it is still a free country &#8230; barely.  I am sure not going to try to make your homosexual cross-dressing children agree with our way of life.  So stop trying to make my normal kids agree with your way of life &#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Jan Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if you&#039;re against &quot;forced social acceptance&quot; of children who have personalities and interests and families not in the mainstream (not NORMAL), then what is the alternative? Continuing to let them get beat up and humiliated at school? Nice. I&#039;ll be sure to check in with you the next time I make a lifestyle choice to be sure I have your approval. I assume you won&#039;t mind if I make the same harsh judgments about you and your family? (also please note there&#039;s a difference between gender identity and sexual preference...two different issues affecting kids in different ways and at different times of their lives...I&#039;m not sure how it hurts anyone to encourage young kids not to harass other young kids who don&#039;t fit into your particular definition of NORMAL)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you&#8217;re against &#8220;forced social acceptance&#8221; of children who have personalities and interests and families not in the mainstream (not NORMAL), then what is the alternative? Continuing to let them get beat up and humiliated at school? Nice. I&#8217;ll be sure to check in with you the next time I make a lifestyle choice to be sure I have your approval. I assume you won&#8217;t mind if I make the same harsh judgments about you and your family? (also please note there&#8217;s a difference between gender identity and sexual preference&#8230;two different issues affecting kids in different ways and at different times of their lives&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure how it hurts anyone to encourage young kids not to harass other young kids who don&#8217;t fit into your particular definition of NORMAL)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R. Thomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R. Thomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GAY PEOPLE ... LISTEN AND LEARN:

If you could curb your emotions for a second and quit hurling the standard &quot;bigot&quot; moniker or countering with the tired &quot;what if we were an interracial couple&quot; argument, you might actually learn why many Californians who are not necessarily against gay marriage voted for Prop 8 anyway.

Knowing California and Californians the way that I do, I would estimate that approximately 1 million of the Californians who voted for Prop 8 do not have an issue with gay marriage itself, but do object to all of the politically correct thought control that your militant advocates are attempting to force upon the public.  In short, Californians don&#039;t want LGBT issues and acceptance forced upon our children in school simply because one freak-of-a-mother wants to dress her little boy like a girl.  No matter how many times homosexuals and militant feminists try to call something like that normal ... IT IS NOT NORMAL.

If you want to legalize gay marriage in California, cut the fat from your agenda and make the issue solely about gay marriage ... not about forced acceptance of a lifestyle that most people still find queer ... not about family values ... and assure the public that the early indoctrination programs in public schools will cease.  I have to assume that most homosexuals truly do not even care about the forced social acceptance issues.  However, the militant left advocates have tied those issues to your right to marry and, until you separate the two, California will never grant you the right to marry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAY PEOPLE &#8230; LISTEN AND LEARN:</p>
<p>If you could curb your emotions for a second and quit hurling the standard &#8220;bigot&#8221; moniker or countering with the tired &#8220;what if we were an interracial couple&#8221; argument, you might actually learn why many Californians who are not necessarily against gay marriage voted for Prop 8 anyway.</p>
<p>Knowing California and Californians the way that I do, I would estimate that approximately 1 million of the Californians who voted for Prop 8 do not have an issue with gay marriage itself, but do object to all of the politically correct thought control that your militant advocates are attempting to force upon the public.  In short, Californians don&#8217;t want LGBT issues and acceptance forced upon our children in school simply because one freak-of-a-mother wants to dress her little boy like a girl.  No matter how many times homosexuals and militant feminists try to call something like that normal &#8230; IT IS NOT NORMAL.</p>
<p>If you want to legalize gay marriage in California, cut the fat from your agenda and make the issue solely about gay marriage &#8230; not about forced acceptance of a lifestyle that most people still find queer &#8230; not about family values &#8230; and assure the public that the early indoctrination programs in public schools will cease.  I have to assume that most homosexuals truly do not even care about the forced social acceptance issues.  However, the militant left advocates have tied those issues to your right to marry and, until you separate the two, California will never grant you the right to marry.</p>
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		<title>By: james paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>james paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dave
i guess lying is part of your immature and immoral behavior. hate to be you looking in the mirror as you probably dont see much]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave<br />
i guess lying is part of your immature and immoral behavior. hate to be you looking in the mirror as you probably dont see much</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was right on time, walked each cross walk, no one approached me.  Not surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was right on time, walked each cross walk, no one approached me.  Not surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: james paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>james paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dave
you didnt show. if you look in the mirror you will see that t













dave
you didnt show. you need to go look in the mirror the
 yellow shirt you talked about is really your skin.you have proven to be unable to articulate any
ideas supporting your cause so i bid adeau to you
whitney
i appreciate your trying to explain your side without the attacks and apologize for my comments to dave but i think my side is right and will stand up for those beliefs when attacked unfairly i can understand your side too and only want a logical discussion something dave seems unable to do
jan
sorry i think it is an injustice to readers to have a biased column where only the writers opinions are put forward. state the facts and let the people decide. after you have presented the facts both pro and con then you can add your opinion. this is something eve pearlman does not do&#039; check it out. the journal should not be an opinion page for its columnists unless both sides are given equal time something the journal does not do]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dave<br />
you didnt show. if you look in the mirror you will see that t</p>
<p>dave<br />
you didnt show. you need to go look in the mirror the<br />
 yellow shirt you talked about is really your skin.you have proven to be unable to articulate any<br />
ideas supporting your cause so i bid adeau to you<br />
whitney<br />
i appreciate your trying to explain your side without the attacks and apologize for my comments to dave but i think my side is right and will stand up for those beliefs when attacked unfairly i can understand your side too and only want a logical discussion something dave seems unable to do<br />
jan<br />
sorry i think it is an injustice to readers to have a biased column where only the writers opinions are put forward. state the facts and let the people decide. after you have presented the facts both pro and con then you can add your opinion. this is something eve pearlman does not do&#8217; check it out. the journal should not be an opinion page for its columnists unless both sides are given equal time something the journal does not do</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well at least we know James Chen&#039;s middle name now....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least we know James Chen&#8217;s middle name now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff R. Thomason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff R. Thomason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave ... will your yellow T-shirt have a big fat rainbow on it?

:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave &#8230; will your yellow T-shirt have a big fat rainbow on it?<br />
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