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	<title>Comments on: Eric Patterson starting in CF &#8212; a sign of things to come</title>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I agree he is spending much less (adjusted for inflation) than the Haas family spent. The economy has something to do with it. &quot;

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&quot;much les&quot;? quite an understatement and absolultely no way to have a zillionth of a hope of having a competitive team. in fact not when your competition spends money like other big league yteams do yet you are purposely at or near the bottom of the list.

what came first? the chicken or the egg?

do you spend money to get the players to bring fans to the ballpark to see your team? or do the fans first have to come in droves to see your 22 year olds and a couple over the hill washed up players being paid near minimum to make you money so you can go out and acquire top paid star players?

obviously wolf is trying to move this team. otherwise he has absolutely no business owning a major league
 team.

another very suspicious stastement yesteday. st. louis just got swept by houston this week and they are now in a 4 way fight for their division title. holliday was an absolultely great addition to their lineup and may well be the key to turning them around the way he has played SINCE MAY FIFTEENTH OVER 2 MONTHS NOW. So just why would A&#039;s have to PAY the Cardinals a couple of MILLION to CONVINCE them to make a trade that may help fill many seats down the stretch and in the playoffs and the World Series? They should have been glad to take on Holliday&#039;s salary, seems to me not only is there no salary cap, but Cards attendence way better than Oakland and Oakland has no money to pay their own players but is going to pay Holliday for playiong in St. Louis millions as their own guys earn the minimum $400,000 here.

Me thinks that is just another pile of absolute horse manure being floated out there by the A&#039;s Mr. Beane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree he is spending much less (adjusted for inflation) than the Haas family spent. The economy has something to do with it. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;much les&#8221;? quite an understatement and absolultely no way to have a zillionth of a hope of having a competitive team. in fact not when your competition spends money like other big league yteams do yet you are purposely at or near the bottom of the list.</p>
<p>what came first? the chicken or the egg?</p>
<p>do you spend money to get the players to bring fans to the ballpark to see your team? or do the fans first have to come in droves to see your 22 year olds and a couple over the hill washed up players being paid near minimum to make you money so you can go out and acquire top paid star players?</p>
<p>obviously wolf is trying to move this team. otherwise he has absolutely no business owning a major league<br />
 team.</p>
<p>another very suspicious stastement yesteday. st. louis just got swept by houston this week and they are now in a 4 way fight for their division title. holliday was an absolultely great addition to their lineup and may well be the key to turning them around the way he has played SINCE MAY FIFTEENTH OVER 2 MONTHS NOW. So just why would A&#8217;s have to PAY the Cardinals a couple of MILLION to CONVINCE them to make a trade that may help fill many seats down the stretch and in the playoffs and the World Series? They should have been glad to take on Holliday&#8217;s salary, seems to me not only is there no salary cap, but Cards attendence way better than Oakland and Oakland has no money to pay their own players but is going to pay Holliday for playiong in St. Louis millions as their own guys earn the minimum $400,000 here.</p>
<p>Me thinks that is just another pile of absolute horse manure being floated out there by the A&#8217;s Mr. Beane.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm, Bob.

If you are referring to the making of the film, Moneyball, Billy Beane had nothing to do with it.   He also had nothing to do with the book.

Lew Wolff is one of the owners, but the deep pockets belong to Don Fisher, who owns  Gap/Old Navy.   I agree he is spending much less (adjusted for inflation) than the Haas family spent.  The economy has something to do with it.  Sigh.  Those were the days...

I&#039;m frustrated too, but let&#039;s get the facts straight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, Bob.</p>
<p>If you are referring to the making of the film, Moneyball, Billy Beane had nothing to do with it.   He also had nothing to do with the book.</p>
<p>Lew Wolff is one of the owners, but the deep pockets belong to Don Fisher, who owns  Gap/Old Navy.   I agree he is spending much less (adjusted for inflation) than the Haas family spent.  The economy has something to do with it.  Sigh.  Those were the days&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frustrated too, but let&#8217;s get the facts straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And just what are the Yankees and Red Sox players averaging?

Wolf is a tightwad cheapskate, has no business owning a MLB team, he is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD, and A&#039;s fans are fools to even call this team the Oakland A&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just what are the Yankees and Red Sox players averaging?</p>
<p>Wolf is a tightwad cheapskate, has no business owning a MLB team, he is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD, and A&#8217;s fans are fools to even call this team the Oakland A&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peterson

&quot;...And if any of the new guys achieves a best-case scenario? We all know the answer to that one — they&#039;ll soon be shipped off to a team willing to pay for prime-of-career talent.

Well, cheap is as cheap does. And the recall of outfielder Eric Patterson to take Holliday&#039;s spot on the roster means that at least 14 of the 25 current A&#039;s are at or very near the major league minimum of $400,000 per year. In that respect, this season has been a spectacular success.

But as long as the team&#039;s top priority is to squeeze the last nickel out of every penny, even moves such as Friday&#039;s will be met with a fundamental (and richly deserved) cynicism.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterson</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;And if any of the new guys achieves a best-case scenario? We all know the answer to that one — they&#8217;ll soon be shipped off to a team willing to pay for prime-of-career talent.</p>
<p>Well, cheap is as cheap does. And the recall of outfielder Eric Patterson to take Holliday&#8217;s spot on the roster means that at least 14 of the 25 current A&#8217;s are at or very near the major league minimum of $400,000 per year. In that respect, this season has been a spectacular success.</p>
<p>But as long as the team&#8217;s top priority is to squeeze the last nickel out of every penny, even moves such as Friday&#8217;s will be met with a fundamental (and richly deserved) cynicism.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[remember the owner in the movie major league?

and you heard beane had wanted to make a movie?

this is what wolf and him are doing to this franchise!

boycott him because this team is outta here anyway!

as the mlb and the other hypocrites from the nfl, nba and nhl fight delaware from getting sports betting, wolfe is planning on moving the a&#039;s to vegas!

boycott this minor league team they have assembled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remember the owner in the movie major league?</p>
<p>and you heard beane had wanted to make a movie?</p>
<p>this is what wolf and him are doing to this franchise!</p>
<p>boycott him because this team is outta here anyway!</p>
<p>as the mlb and the other hypocrites from the nfl, nba and nhl fight delaware from getting sports betting, wolfe is planning on moving the a&#8217;s to vegas!</p>
<p>boycott this minor league team they have assembled.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much money did you pay for season tickets this year?

say what?

how much did beane pay out of his own pocket to watch the 26th best team(for now and dropping fast)?

you know what those seats are worth?

the amount of money spent on the empty ones you see game in and game out. although when the dogs were allowed in attendence figures rose drastically.

you saw the yanks tonight - look how long many of them have played there. and that is thruout their history. then look at this roster. or any of the last 5 years roster and how beane just shuffles them in and out! players don like it and dont shoot the messenger!

but

it does NOT work!

the proof is in the pudding!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much money did you pay for season tickets this year?</p>
<p>say what?</p>
<p>how much did beane pay out of his own pocket to watch the 26th best team(for now and dropping fast)?</p>
<p>you know what those seats are worth?</p>
<p>the amount of money spent on the empty ones you see game in and game out. although when the dogs were allowed in attendence figures rose drastically.</p>
<p>you saw the yanks tonight &#8211; look how long many of them have played there. and that is thruout their history. then look at this roster. or any of the last 5 years roster and how beane just shuffles them in and out! players don like it and dont shoot the messenger!</p>
<p>but</p>
<p>it does NOT work!</p>
<p>the proof is in the pudding!</p>
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		<title>By: OakFoSho</title>
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		<dc:creator>OakFoSho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People need to relax. This was always about 2011, and the A&#039;s got more back for Holliday then they gave up.  That is, if Wallace gan lose a little weight to improve his range, and get coached up to stay at 3B.  That is the key.  The A&#039;s have a BLACK HOLE at 3B in the organization, so if Wallace isnt the long term answer there, this deal is a LOSER and were in trouble cause Chavy is really done, even the last holdout must now admit that.

But, Ima say the A&#039;s can do this, as Chavy was not a good defender until Ron Washington (still sorry he is not our manager instead of Geren) got a hold of him, so I think he will get the coaching he needs to stay at 3B.  And that means.....

THE 2011 PROJECT IS STILL ALIVE!!!

Projected Lineup in 2011.....(best case scenario)

1. Weeks 2B
2. Sweeney CF
3. Wallace 3B
4. Carter 1B
5. Cust DH
6. Hairston LF
7. Doolittle RF
8. Green SS
9. Zukes C

Bench-OF Rajai &amp; Cunningham, IF Patterson &amp; Kennedy

I bat Zukes 9th to take some of the load off his legs over the course of the long season, as he likes to play everyday much like Kendall used too, and having a guy with decent speed and decent average in the 9 hole is a good thing.

Rotation (assuming Duke healthy and still an Athletic)

1. Anderson
2. Cahill
3. Braden
4. Mazarro
5. Duke

LR-Gio

So, again, this was always about 2011 and beyond, and according to the current scenario, we are still looking GREAT and ON TARGET for 2011.  By that time our young stud rotation will be ready to carry a young team to the postseason much like the former Big 3, and the hitting will get progressively better as the talent gains big league experience. In all honesty, playoffs in 2011 is totally doable, and a real shot at a title in 2012-15 if all goes well.  Billy is looking for a 4-5 year window of playoff opportunity, and its looking like thats a real possibility now.

However, if Wallace isnt the answer at 3B, all this is put into limbo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to relax. This was always about 2011, and the A&#8217;s got more back for Holliday then they gave up.  That is, if Wallace gan lose a little weight to improve his range, and get coached up to stay at 3B.  That is the key.  The A&#8217;s have a BLACK HOLE at 3B in the organization, so if Wallace isnt the long term answer there, this deal is a LOSER and were in trouble cause Chavy is really done, even the last holdout must now admit that.</p>
<p>But, Ima say the A&#8217;s can do this, as Chavy was not a good defender until Ron Washington (still sorry he is not our manager instead of Geren) got a hold of him, so I think he will get the coaching he needs to stay at 3B.  And that means&#8230;..</p>
<p>THE 2011 PROJECT IS STILL ALIVE!!!</p>
<p>Projected Lineup in 2011&#8230;..(best case scenario)</p>
<p>1. Weeks 2B<br />
2. Sweeney CF<br />
3. Wallace 3B<br />
4. Carter 1B<br />
5. Cust DH<br />
6. Hairston LF<br />
7. Doolittle RF<br />
8. Green SS<br />
9. Zukes C</p>
<p>Bench-OF Rajai &amp; Cunningham, IF Patterson &amp; Kennedy</p>
<p>I bat Zukes 9th to take some of the load off his legs over the course of the long season, as he likes to play everyday much like Kendall used too, and having a guy with decent speed and decent average in the 9 hole is a good thing.</p>
<p>Rotation (assuming Duke healthy and still an Athletic)</p>
<p>1. Anderson<br />
2. Cahill<br />
3. Braden<br />
4. Mazarro<br />
5. Duke</p>
<p>LR-Gio</p>
<p>So, again, this was always about 2011 and beyond, and according to the current scenario, we are still looking GREAT and ON TARGET for 2011.  By that time our young stud rotation will be ready to carry a young team to the postseason much like the former Big 3, and the hitting will get progressively better as the talent gains big league experience. In all honesty, playoffs in 2011 is totally doable, and a real shot at a title in 2012-15 if all goes well.  Billy is looking for a 4-5 year window of playoff opportunity, and its looking like thats a real possibility now.</p>
<p>However, if Wallace isnt the answer at 3B, all this is put into limbo.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan K Oski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan K Oski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, How much money did you pay for season tickets this year?  LOL!  You&#039;re the fool, Bob, and no one else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, How much money did you pay for season tickets this year?  LOL!  You&#8217;re the fool, Bob, and no one else.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[trade the whole roster. bring up one of the a&#039;s minor league teams! then trade that team for a little league team when williamsport, pa. tournament ends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trade the whole roster. bring up one of the a&#8217;s minor league teams! then trade that team for a little league team when williamsport, pa. tournament ends.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[holliday went 4 for 5 with 1 rbi

praise billy beane

an embarrasment to a&#039;s fans

how sportswriters dont laugh at that idiot in his face when he makes any comment is absolutely amazing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holliday went 4 for 5 with 1 rbi</p>
<p>praise billy beane</p>
<p>an embarrasment to a&#8217;s fans</p>
<p>how sportswriters dont laugh at that idiot in his face when he makes any comment is absolutely amazing!</p>
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