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		<title>By: CalAlum97</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalAlum97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MidBear, I don&#039;t know where you got &quot;Nate should publicly apologize&quot; from my post?  Also, nowhere in my post did I lay sole-blame on NL for our abissmal season. I agree that receivers were screwing up their routes and the defense gave away points like they were going out of style.  And, quite honestly, having played football for DVC (not great, I know, but it&#039;s something), I don&#039;t need to be reminded how football &#039;works&#039; or that injuries are a part of playing throughout the season.

However, this is not an issue of &#039;playing through the pain&#039; or who is a &#039;wussy.&#039; You&#039;re right that players play hurt...to a point! If you&#039;re hurt but can perform close to your normal potential and help the team, you stay in. If you can no longer play to a suitable level and are harming the team, you sit out! Period. To do otherwise is selfish and putting your ego first.

And I completely disagree that NL was still throwing decently after his injury. His mechanics were off, his deep throws were off, he was throwing without planting properly, etc. You could see it! He was hurt too badly to play-to-par but I think (and this is part speculation), he didn&#039;t seem to want to step-down for the good of the team.

Also, as a player it is your responsiblity to be honest about your injury with your coach. Sure, Tedford shares some blame in this area too, but I&#039;m sure he was basing his decision to keep NL in the game on NL&#039;s word. He trusts his players and his players should not take advantage of that trust. Like I said, team-before-individuals and player integrity...that much should be expected of all players.

Like I said, I agree that NL was not soley responsible for our downfall and I honestly never boo&#039;d the guy or participated in any of that name-calling/chiding that fans were doing...I completely disagree with that as these are just college kids.  My point is only that his honesty and integrity was questionable, IMHO, and that cannot be tolerated if it&#039;s hurting the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MidBear, I don&#8217;t know where you got &#8220;Nate should publicly apologize&#8221; from my post?  Also, nowhere in my post did I lay sole-blame on NL for our abissmal season. I agree that receivers were screwing up their routes and the defense gave away points like they were going out of style.  And, quite honestly, having played football for DVC (not great, I know, but it&#8217;s something), I don&#8217;t need to be reminded how football &#8216;works&#8217; or that injuries are a part of playing throughout the season.</p>
<p>However, this is not an issue of &#8216;playing through the pain&#8217; or who is a &#8216;wussy.&#8217; You&#8217;re right that players play hurt&#8230;to a point! If you&#8217;re hurt but can perform close to your normal potential and help the team, you stay in. If you can no longer play to a suitable level and are harming the team, you sit out! Period. To do otherwise is selfish and putting your ego first.</p>
<p>And I completely disagree that NL was still throwing decently after his injury. His mechanics were off, his deep throws were off, he was throwing without planting properly, etc. You could see it! He was hurt too badly to play-to-par but I think (and this is part speculation), he didn&#8217;t seem to want to step-down for the good of the team.</p>
<p>Also, as a player it is your responsiblity to be honest about your injury with your coach. Sure, Tedford shares some blame in this area too, but I&#8217;m sure he was basing his decision to keep NL in the game on NL&#8217;s word. He trusts his players and his players should not take advantage of that trust. Like I said, team-before-individuals and player integrity&#8230;that much should be expected of all players.</p>
<p>Like I said, I agree that NL was not soley responsible for our downfall and I honestly never boo&#8217;d the guy or participated in any of that name-calling/chiding that fans were doing&#8230;I completely disagree with that as these are just college kids.  My point is only that his honesty and integrity was questionable, IMHO, and that cannot be tolerated if it&#8217;s hurting the team.</p>
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		<title>By: abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if there is one person i would hold responsible for last year&#039;s meltdown its Tedford. As much as i admire the man for building a formidable program last year he showed that he lacks a little bit of experience at coaching at the highest level. First: down 3 points, less than 30seconds left in the game, a true freshman qb playing his first football game in college, the #1 ranking on the line Tedford failed to do his job and that was made absolutely sure what Kevin was supposed to do. Second: he insisted on playing with an injured qb (physically and mentally) instead of giving the healthy backup a second chance. I feel bad for Nate b/c all Tedford did was put him out there for the ungrateful fans to eat me alive instead of benching him and allowing him to recuperate for his and the team&#039;s sake. I really hope that Nate doesn&#039;t allow the cruelty of the crapy cal football fans  which do not even know how to give strong support during home games like real football fans get to him and stop trying too hard and  enjoy the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if there is one person i would hold responsible for last year&#8217;s meltdown its Tedford. As much as i admire the man for building a formidable program last year he showed that he lacks a little bit of experience at coaching at the highest level. First: down 3 points, less than 30seconds left in the game, a true freshman qb playing his first football game in college, the #1 ranking on the line Tedford failed to do his job and that was made absolutely sure what Kevin was supposed to do. Second: he insisted on playing with an injured qb (physically and mentally) instead of giving the healthy backup a second chance. I feel bad for Nate b/c all Tedford did was put him out there for the ungrateful fans to eat me alive instead of benching him and allowing him to recuperate for his and the team&#8217;s sake. I really hope that Nate doesn&#8217;t allow the cruelty of the crapy cal football fans  which do not even know how to give strong support during home games like real football fans get to him and stop trying too hard and  enjoy the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Concord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Concord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poll has gotten 466 votes so far so some people are still interested in this subject. Of course it means NOTHING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll has gotten 466 votes so far so some people are still interested in this subject. Of course it means NOTHING.</p>
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		<title>By: Midbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CalAlum97

This is football, not table tennis. Virtually EVERYBODY is always hurt regardless of whether they are listed as being hurt or not. It is just a matter of degree. People don&#039;t play only when the injury is really bad. Justin Forsett played most of every game last year even though he was injured. Take a close look at him in some of the games last year and you&#039;ll see that he was actually limping to the sidelines in some of those games.

Like it or not, it is the culture of football. Nate is more likely to loss the respect of his teammates if he sits down too readily then for him to try to play through an injury. He is the quarterback and leader of his team and needs to show toughness and leadership and not act like a wussy. It is the coach&#039;s responsibility to decide whether the player can play or not.

And honestly, if you objectively look at all the games where he played while hurt, limping or not, he threw his passes with decent velocity and had nice touchdown passes in USC and UCLA games against tough defenses. Some of his passes that were intercepted were because he delivered the ball to the right spot but his receivers were not where they were supposed to be (hello! final interception in UCLA game). This same exact receiver who now plays for Philadelphia had to have no less then three coaches all the way up to Andy Reid pull him aside during minicamp to talk to him about his route running. Here&#039;s quote from a NFC scout when asked why his team didn&#039;t draft him:

&quot;He was off our board,&quot; a scout for an NFC team told the Daily News after the draft. &quot;We just didn&#039;t want to deal with the body of work - the body makeup, the attitude. He&#039;s got Ocho Cinco [Chad Johnson]- Terrell Owens traits. He&#039;s a mouthy little guy. HE&#039;S NOT A GOOD ROUTE-RUNNER. And he&#039;s not good away from the ball.&quot;

Get the picture? I&#039;m not trying to slam Tha1 because he was an electrifying player and was good for Cal football but there was clearly more then enough blame to go around.

So explain to me again why he should publicly apologize?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CalAlum97</p>
<p>This is football, not table tennis. Virtually EVERYBODY is always hurt regardless of whether they are listed as being hurt or not. It is just a matter of degree. People don&#8217;t play only when the injury is really bad. Justin Forsett played most of every game last year even though he was injured. Take a close look at him in some of the games last year and you&#8217;ll see that he was actually limping to the sidelines in some of those games.</p>
<p>Like it or not, it is the culture of football. Nate is more likely to loss the respect of his teammates if he sits down too readily then for him to try to play through an injury. He is the quarterback and leader of his team and needs to show toughness and leadership and not act like a wussy. It is the coach&#8217;s responsibility to decide whether the player can play or not.</p>
<p>And honestly, if you objectively look at all the games where he played while hurt, limping or not, he threw his passes with decent velocity and had nice touchdown passes in USC and UCLA games against tough defenses. Some of his passes that were intercepted were because he delivered the ball to the right spot but his receivers were not where they were supposed to be (hello! final interception in UCLA game). This same exact receiver who now plays for Philadelphia had to have no less then three coaches all the way up to Andy Reid pull him aside during minicamp to talk to him about his route running. Here&#8217;s quote from a NFC scout when asked why his team didn&#8217;t draft him:</p>
<p>&#8220;He was off our board,&#8221; a scout for an NFC team told the Daily News after the draft. &#8220;We just didn&#8217;t want to deal with the body of work &#8211; the body makeup, the attitude. He&#8217;s got Ocho Cinco [Chad Johnson]- Terrell Owens traits. He&#8217;s a mouthy little guy. HE&#8217;S NOT A GOOD ROUTE-RUNNER. And he&#8217;s not good away from the ball.&#8221;</p>
<p>Get the picture? I&#8217;m not trying to slam Tha1 because he was an electrifying player and was good for Cal football but there was clearly more then enough blame to go around.</p>
<p>So explain to me again why he should publicly apologize?</p>
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		<title>By: Jan K Oski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan K Oski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CalAlum, Since Tedford runs a sealed program, we will never know, so why bring up the issue with a poor presentation of facts?  As far as I am concerned it is farting in the wind.  I don&#039;t have a problem with people discussing these topics, but it is getting old after the twentieth time reading it.  Perhaps, I need to stop reading post about Longshore vs. Riley, but some people need to show restraint and think twice, if they read the same exact point one week ago.  I&#039;ll even give N8 the benefit of doubt for not knowing his repetition of the same entitlement clause, but it doesn&#039;t do anything for us junkies who read the same over and over again.  Go BEARS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CalAlum, Since Tedford runs a sealed program, we will never know, so why bring up the issue with a poor presentation of facts?  As far as I am concerned it is farting in the wind.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with people discussing these topics, but it is getting old after the twentieth time reading it.  Perhaps, I need to stop reading post about Longshore vs. Riley, but some people need to show restraint and think twice, if they read the same exact point one week ago.  I&#8217;ll even give N8 the benefit of doubt for not knowing his repetition of the same entitlement clause, but it doesn&#8217;t do anything for us junkies who read the same over and over again.  Go BEARS!</p>
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		<title>By: CalAlum97</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalAlum97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way BigD, I think you&#039;re right...regardless of what happened last season, we aren&#039;t likely to see a rerun of the same as Cignetti, Tedford (and maybe even Sandy B) have turned a sharp eye to the kind of issues that cropped up last season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way BigD, I think you&#8217;re right&#8230;regardless of what happened last season, we aren&#8217;t likely to see a rerun of the same as Cignetti, Tedford (and maybe even Sandy B) have turned a sharp eye to the kind of issues that cropped up last season.</p>
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		<title>By: CalAlum97</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalAlum97</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you guys are unfairly jumping on N8Bear and I think he has a legitmate point.  I think he&#039;s saying he expects a starting QB, regardless of who it is, to put the team before himself. I think he&#039;s also saying we expect our starting QB to be honest with his coach.  I think N8Bear is questioning (as am I) whether NL was in fact honest with Tedford about his injury and ability to play, when clearly he should have been and always be. It&#039;s also questionable whether he put his own desire to play (even injured) above the good of the team.  I think these are valid questions that are still unanswered (and may never be). But I don&#039;t like the idea that our starting QB may have lied to his head coach and put himself first in a selfish manner. And as alums, paying customers, and financial supporters of the Cal football program, I think we have a right to expect honesty and integrity from our Cal players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys are unfairly jumping on N8Bear and I think he has a legitmate point.  I think he&#8217;s saying he expects a starting QB, regardless of who it is, to put the team before himself. I think he&#8217;s also saying we expect our starting QB to be honest with his coach.  I think N8Bear is questioning (as am I) whether NL was in fact honest with Tedford about his injury and ability to play, when clearly he should have been and always be. It&#8217;s also questionable whether he put his own desire to play (even injured) above the good of the team.  I think these are valid questions that are still unanswered (and may never be). But I don&#8217;t like the idea that our starting QB may have lied to his head coach and put himself first in a selfish manner. And as alums, paying customers, and financial supporters of the Cal football program, I think we have a right to expect honesty and integrity from our Cal players.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerson_Bakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerson_Bakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FX has &quot;Friday Night Lights&quot; on its movie rotation. Could be a nice &#039;mirror&#039; for us to look in, because the behavior of their fans seemed in-line with many of the rants on this forum.

For all the angst us fans go through, nothing justifies treating players and coaches the way some Cal fans have over the past year. In the end, it really is just a game we spend hours a week on, its it not the central focus of our lives(assuming you are not part of the program).

Never forget that the stakes are highest for those gifted enough to be on the field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FX has &#8220;Friday Night Lights&#8221; on its movie rotation. Could be a nice &#8216;mirror&#8217; for us to look in, because the behavior of their fans seemed in-line with many of the rants on this forum.</p>
<p>For all the angst us fans go through, nothing justifies treating players and coaches the way some Cal fans have over the past year. In the end, it really is just a game we spend hours a week on, its it not the central focus of our lives(assuming you are not part of the program).</p>
<p>Never forget that the stakes are highest for those gifted enough to be on the field.</p>
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		<title>By: Midbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N8Bear

Actually, Longshore admitted after the USC game last year that he didn&#039;t play well. He put the responsibility of that game on himself even though there was plenty of blame to go around (defense letting SC run wild with their tailbacks).

If we follow your logic then shouldn&#039;t some of the DL step up and take responsibility for their lack of pass rush? Should the secondary also openly accept blame for their lack of interceptions? How about Brandon Hampton taking responsibility for all those pass interference penalties in the UCLA game. Again you and your Riley fanboys follow a double standard. You want Nate to come out and openly apologize but you don&#039;t ask the same of his teammates for all the factors I enumerated above. Why the hell should he come out and openly accept blame when none of his teammates have been willing to do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N8Bear</p>
<p>Actually, Longshore admitted after the USC game last year that he didn&#8217;t play well. He put the responsibility of that game on himself even though there was plenty of blame to go around (defense letting SC run wild with their tailbacks).</p>
<p>If we follow your logic then shouldn&#8217;t some of the DL step up and take responsibility for their lack of pass rush? Should the secondary also openly accept blame for their lack of interceptions? How about Brandon Hampton taking responsibility for all those pass interference penalties in the UCLA game. Again you and your Riley fanboys follow a double standard. You want Nate to come out and openly apologize but you don&#8217;t ask the same of his teammates for all the factors I enumerated above. Why the hell should he come out and openly accept blame when none of his teammates have been willing to do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Big D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding my 2 cents, I think Tedford hiring Cignetti will help with the QB situation, so I also believe it is in the past. Let&#039;s move forward and let this thing play out. I was frustrated last year too, but I think Tedford satisfied my concerns by hiring an OC and spending more of his time as a head coach (what he was hired to do)rather than an OC/HC. Plus, if Longshore stinks it up again, I don&#039;t believe Cignetti will let it go on. Worst case, at least Longshore is a SR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding my 2 cents, I think Tedford hiring Cignetti will help with the QB situation, so I also believe it is in the past. Let&#8217;s move forward and let this thing play out. I was frustrated last year too, but I think Tedford satisfied my concerns by hiring an OC and spending more of his time as a head coach (what he was hired to do)rather than an OC/HC. Plus, if Longshore stinks it up again, I don&#8217;t believe Cignetti will let it go on. Worst case, at least Longshore is a SR!</p>
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