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		<title>By: uh oh</title>
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		<dc:creator>uh oh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Bad:

#1: No more true round robin game schedule to determine fair/even winners (in football, basketball, are probably other sports, too).
#2 Increased travel distances to games, if you are into that sort of thing.
#3 Break up tradition, if you are into that.

And what did we gain? I just don&#039;t get it. Change for the sake of change? To justify one&#039;s hiring?
Idiots have a lot of explaining to do.

I stopped rooting for the Raiders long ago when Al Davis made the money grab move to LA. Then I stopped rooting for most ALL pro sports when I realized that they all were in it for the money, so why should I be in it with my heart.

Maybe a few more moves like this and my heart will be out of it altogether. Don&#039;t they realize that I&#039;ve been hanging on for years for the chance at a Rose Bowl, or a Pac10 hoops title? It&#039;s what keeps fans coming back. Change the objective, and if fans don&#039;t buy into it, they leave. 

Idiots. I don&#039;t have to buy what you&#039;re selling, I don&#039;t have to indoctrinate my kids into your brand, and you shouldn&#039;t take us for granted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bad:</p>
<p>#1: No more true round robin game schedule to determine fair/even winners (in football, basketball, are probably other sports, too).<br />
#2 Increased travel distances to games, if you are into that sort of thing.<br />
#3 Break up tradition, if you are into that.</p>
<p>And what did we gain? I just don&#8217;t get it. Change for the sake of change? To justify one&#8217;s hiring?<br />
Idiots have a lot of explaining to do.</p>
<p>I stopped rooting for the Raiders long ago when Al Davis made the money grab move to LA. Then I stopped rooting for most ALL pro sports when I realized that they all were in it for the money, so why should I be in it with my heart.</p>
<p>Maybe a few more moves like this and my heart will be out of it altogether. Don&#8217;t they realize that I&#8217;ve been hanging on for years for the chance at a Rose Bowl, or a Pac10 hoops title? It&#8217;s what keeps fans coming back. Change the objective, and if fans don&#8217;t buy into it, they leave. </p>
<p>Idiots. I don&#8217;t have to buy what you&#8217;re selling, I don&#8217;t have to indoctrinate my kids into your brand, and you shouldn&#8217;t take us for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bears07</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bears07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too think that this is a stepping stone to a larger conference (probably a couple TV-contract cycles down the line).  

In terms of possible explanations behind the North/South division split, I think it might be a matter of TV market size.  Putting the Bay Area schools together with the L.A. schools would put the #2 and #6 TV markets in the same division.  The next largest markets are Phoenix and Seattle (#12 &amp; #13, respectively) which probably wouldn&#039;t go into the same division no matter how you cut it.  So it seems fair from that perspective to give each division one top-10 TV market.

Source:
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too think that this is a stepping stone to a larger conference (probably a couple TV-contract cycles down the line).  </p>
<p>In terms of possible explanations behind the North/South division split, I think it might be a matter of TV market size.  Putting the Bay Area schools together with the L.A. schools would put the #2 and #6 TV markets in the same division.  The next largest markets are Phoenix and Seattle (#12 &amp; #13, respectively) which probably wouldn&#8217;t go into the same division no matter how you cut it.  So it seems fair from that perspective to give each division one top-10 TV market.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2009-2010-dma-ranks.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rocko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure it will hurt recruiting that much if any. Oregon, OSU and UW don&#039;t seem to have a problem. We are still in the conference. I am not sure why they split the California schools which are  natural rivals. Hopefully we will still play USC and UCLA every year. If we keep the 9 game conference season, that would mean playing the five in division teams and four of the other conference teams. I am not sure why they didn&#039;t add CU and Utah to the Oregon and Washington schools. I think they still want to expand to 16 teams and that a PAC-12 will go to a PAC-16 sooner than later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure it will hurt recruiting that much if any. Oregon, OSU and UW don&#8217;t seem to have a problem. We are still in the conference. I am not sure why they split the California schools which are  natural rivals. Hopefully we will still play USC and UCLA every year. If we keep the 9 game conference season, that would mean playing the five in division teams and four of the other conference teams. I am not sure why they didn&#8217;t add CU and Utah to the Oregon and Washington schools. I think they still want to expand to 16 teams and that a PAC-12 will go to a PAC-16 sooner than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Bears07</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bears07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The division split is just icing on the cake.  For a mere $1-2mm boost in annual revenue (to an ~$80-100mm athletic dept budget if I remember correctly), we&#039;re willing to kill the traditional Pac-10 (and going back further, the Pac-8) AND take the recruiting hit?  Makes no sense to me...just raise season ticket prices by $25/yr and you accomplish the same goal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The division split is just icing on the cake.  For a mere $1-2mm boost in annual revenue (to an ~$80-100mm athletic dept budget if I remember correctly), we&#8217;re willing to kill the traditional Pac-10 (and going back further, the Pac-8) AND take the recruiting hit?  Makes no sense to me&#8230;just raise season ticket prices by $25/yr and you accomplish the same goal.</p>
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		<title>By: abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on a more positive note losing to the Utes should no longer create a bad rep for the rest of us, as they are one of us now!...somebody shoot me please...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on a more positive note losing to the Utes should no longer create a bad rep for the rest of us, as they are one of us now!&#8230;somebody shoot me please&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sweet, Colorado and Utah came out of nowhere and just replaced us northerners for the hot recruiting bed that is SoCal, while they essentially bring no recruiting advantage to the rest of the pac 10...this just keeps getting better and better.  it goes with out saying i have become rather increasingly wary about opening this, or any other college football related blog for that matter, these days for there has been nothing but one disturbing news after another.  i get the sense that things are happening too fast and we are all in for some serious regret when all the dust settles, brace yourselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sweet, Colorado and Utah came out of nowhere and just replaced us northerners for the hot recruiting bed that is SoCal, while they essentially bring no recruiting advantage to the rest of the pac 10&#8230;this just keeps getting better and better.  it goes with out saying i have become rather increasingly wary about opening this, or any other college football related blog for that matter, these days for there has been nothing but one disturbing news after another.  i get the sense that things are happening too fast and we are all in for some serious regret when all the dust settles, brace yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will the Pac-12 Championship game be held at the Rose Bowl?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the Pac-12 Championship game be held at the Rose Bowl?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 06:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wha wha WHAT?! Utah? Pac-10 North and South? WTF?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wha wha WHAT?! Utah? Pac-10 North and South? WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: H8sRed</title>
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		<dc:creator>H8sRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Horrible, horrible divisions. This is why I was actually hoping the Pac-16 would actually happen (once expansion became inevitable), because it would not have destroyed the traditional conference rivalries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrible, horrible divisions. This is why I was actually hoping the Pac-16 would actually happen (once expansion became inevitable), because it would not have destroyed the traditional conference rivalries.</p>
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