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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2010/09/27/football-tedford-talks-arizona/comment-page-1/#comment-25612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 06:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[House - are you related to Tedford?  Seriously, you have to be. It&#039;s kind of comical.  

Eric- ignore the few haters on here.  Very few make intelligent, fact based arguments.  Your posts are solid, intelligent, fact based- and you&#039;re always classy when responding to those questioning your point of view.  Don&#039;t let the haters, most of always have to bring up Holmoe and how great 7-5 for Cal is, get you down. Keep up the good, passionate posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>House &#8211; are you related to Tedford?  Seriously, you have to be. It&#8217;s kind of comical.  </p>
<p>Eric- ignore the few haters on here.  Very few make intelligent, fact based arguments.  Your posts are solid, intelligent, fact based- and you&#8217;re always classy when responding to those questioning your point of view.  Don&#8217;t let the haters, most of always have to bring up Holmoe and how great 7-5 for Cal is, get you down. Keep up the good, passionate posts.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueNGold</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueNGold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall that Tedford&#039;s current contract was put in place a few years ago. At the time, it was perceived that there were other schools and pro teams that wanted to hire him away from Cal. I do not recall any people, or at least a significant number, complaining about his new salary and contract at the time. Of course, a lot has changed since then. The national and state economies is are the tank, Cal as a whole has had to deal with substantial cuts in state funding, and the football team, and Tedford by extension, are perceived by many as underachieving and not living up to abilities and expectations.

Clearly, what is now being viewed by some as an extravagant and perhaps unnecessary expenditure on a  coach&#039;s salary was looked upon as necessary and justified at the time the decision was made. It just goes to show that issues of this nature have to be evaluated in a broader context than simply the here and now. Cal could probably have hired a football coach at a much smaller salary, but with the horrid memories of the Holmoe/ Gilbertson era fresh in people&#039;s minds, I am sure the people involved in the decision at the time thought it was the right thing and best for moving the program forward.

Hindsight is a lot easier than having a clear vision of the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall that Tedford&#8217;s current contract was put in place a few years ago. At the time, it was perceived that there were other schools and pro teams that wanted to hire him away from Cal. I do not recall any people, or at least a significant number, complaining about his new salary and contract at the time. Of course, a lot has changed since then. The national and state economies is are the tank, Cal as a whole has had to deal with substantial cuts in state funding, and the football team, and Tedford by extension, are perceived by many as underachieving and not living up to abilities and expectations.</p>
<p>Clearly, what is now being viewed by some as an extravagant and perhaps unnecessary expenditure on a  coach&#8217;s salary was looked upon as necessary and justified at the time the decision was made. It just goes to show that issues of this nature have to be evaluated in a broader context than simply the here and now. Cal could probably have hired a football coach at a much smaller salary, but with the horrid memories of the Holmoe/ Gilbertson era fresh in people&#8217;s minds, I am sure the people involved in the decision at the time thought it was the right thing and best for moving the program forward.</p>
<p>Hindsight is a lot easier than having a clear vision of the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2010/09/27/football-tedford-talks-arizona/comment-page-1/#comment-25560</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting take.  You are correct that football and basketball subsidize other sports, but that is the function of television revenue (see new Pac-12 and other conference alignments), the relative popularity of football and basketball to drawn in fans, and the understanding that a world-class university is supposed to offer both the popular and the less popular.  If you are of the view that it is too bad for those &quot;lesser&quot; sports since they can&#039;t produce revenue, than let&#039;s apply that same model to academics.  Better cut music, philosophy, and nearly 90% of the degrees at Cal, since Engineering, Chemistry and a few other hard sciences bring in 90% of the donations and grants.  Tough economic times, you know.

Your post misses the point of whether to blame Tedford for other sports being cut.  Of course not - that is a strawman argument.  But the university has decided to cut several sports (including a sport a 100+ years old from which the Axe originated) while continuing to pay its football coach nearly $3 million a year.  Is he worth it?  If yes, fine.  If not, then it is the University&#039;s fault for being economically stupid.  If Tedford got a penny more than he is worth, more power to him for negotiating with a sucker.  Doesn&#039;t mean it is right for Cal.

As for stats on the coaches, at one point do you acknowledge that Tedford is overpaid if you don&#039;t think he is overpaid now (since the article you linked clearly establishes that he is overpaid as of 2009)?  How about checking out Pac-10 records over the last 5 years (2005-2009) since that is the period where Cal has (in my view) at best plateaued and more likely has declined.  If that 5-year trend were to continue, but he continues to be the second highest paid coach in the Pac-10, is he overpaid?  If Cal finishes only 6-6 this year, and in the bottom half of the Pac-10, is Tedford overpaid?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take.  You are correct that football and basketball subsidize other sports, but that is the function of television revenue (see new Pac-12 and other conference alignments), the relative popularity of football and basketball to drawn in fans, and the understanding that a world-class university is supposed to offer both the popular and the less popular.  If you are of the view that it is too bad for those &#8220;lesser&#8221; sports since they can&#8217;t produce revenue, than let&#8217;s apply that same model to academics.  Better cut music, philosophy, and nearly 90% of the degrees at Cal, since Engineering, Chemistry and a few other hard sciences bring in 90% of the donations and grants.  Tough economic times, you know.</p>
<p>Your post misses the point of whether to blame Tedford for other sports being cut.  Of course not &#8211; that is a strawman argument.  But the university has decided to cut several sports (including a sport a 100+ years old from which the Axe originated) while continuing to pay its football coach nearly $3 million a year.  Is he worth it?  If yes, fine.  If not, then it is the University&#8217;s fault for being economically stupid.  If Tedford got a penny more than he is worth, more power to him for negotiating with a sucker.  Doesn&#8217;t mean it is right for Cal.</p>
<p>As for stats on the coaches, at one point do you acknowledge that Tedford is overpaid if you don&#8217;t think he is overpaid now (since the article you linked clearly establishes that he is overpaid as of 2009)?  How about checking out Pac-10 records over the last 5 years (2005-2009) since that is the period where Cal has (in my view) at best plateaued and more likely has declined.  If that 5-year trend were to continue, but he continues to be the second highest paid coach in the Pac-10, is he overpaid?  If Cal finishes only 6-6 this year, and in the bottom half of the Pac-10, is Tedford overpaid?</p>
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		<title>By: Hail2Calif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hail2Calif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/11/10/pac-10-football-ranking-the-coaches-salaries/

Could we have saved a sport by hiring a coach at a fraction of the cost to produce 7-5 and 8-4 seasons?

Wulff is the lowest paid at $601K, Riley (and this is a shame) is next a little below 1MM.

Stoops, Neuheisal, Kelly, Harbaugh and Erickson are in the 1.25-1.5MM range.

Sarkisian 1.8MM

Except for Riley and Kelly, NONE of the others above have the same winning percentage as JT.  Stanford could turn that around with a big winning season - say 12-1, but frankly - almost all of them STILL are below .500 for their Pac-10 career.

As for &#039;saving&#039; another sport - every other sport besides football and basketball (both men and women) loses money.  Are we really going to blame JT for the fact these sports lose money and thus are the ones that NEED the subsidy?

Difficult decisions to cut sports were made because of ongoing deficits exacerbated by tough economic times - maybe that is JT&#039;s fault too?

Not 100% sure JT can take us to the next level of consistent BCS Bowl contender - but its definitely not easy just going out there and finding someone to win 2 out of 3 and take teams to bowl games every season we&#039;ve been eligible.]]></description>
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<p>Could we have saved a sport by hiring a coach at a fraction of the cost to produce 7-5 and 8-4 seasons?</p>
<p>Wulff is the lowest paid at $601K, Riley (and this is a shame) is next a little below 1MM.</p>
<p>Stoops, Neuheisal, Kelly, Harbaugh and Erickson are in the 1.25-1.5MM range.</p>
<p>Sarkisian 1.8MM</p>
<p>Except for Riley and Kelly, NONE of the others above have the same winning percentage as JT.  Stanford could turn that around with a big winning season &#8211; say 12-1, but frankly &#8211; almost all of them STILL are below .500 for their Pac-10 career.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;saving&#8217; another sport &#8211; every other sport besides football and basketball (both men and women) loses money.  Are we really going to blame JT for the fact these sports lose money and thus are the ones that NEED the subsidy?</p>
<p>Difficult decisions to cut sports were made because of ongoing deficits exacerbated by tough economic times &#8211; maybe that is JT&#8217;s fault too?</p>
<p>Not 100% sure JT can take us to the next level of consistent BCS Bowl contender &#8211; but its definitely not easy just going out there and finding someone to win 2 out of 3 and take teams to bowl games every season we&#8217;ve been eligible.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 05:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That I did not know, but that seems odd from a contract perspective, since presumably the University is on the hook for breach if he is terminated early.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That I did not know, but that seems odd from a contract perspective, since presumably the University is on the hook for breach if he is terminated early.</p>
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		<title>By: House</title>
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		<dc:creator>House</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, Tedfords salary is paid mostly by donations to the football team. It has little to no effect on the rest of the academic program. Or so i&#039;ve read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, Tedfords salary is paid mostly by donations to the football team. It has little to no effect on the rest of the academic program. Or so i&#8217;ve read.</p>
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		<title>By: runrunpasspunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>runrunpasspunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben Braun made Cal basketball! ... the money loser it has become.  Nobody cares anymore.  What is it with these contracts offered by the various A.D.s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Braun made Cal basketball! &#8230; the money loser it has become.  Nobody cares anymore.  What is it with these contracts offered by the various A.D.s.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 00:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing to me that people forget where Cal football was 10 years ago before Tedford arrived.  7-5 and 8-4 seasons were a pipe dream.  If you look at the revenue the Cal football program generates now as opposed to the final days of the Tom Holmore years (and Gilbertson before that), I am fairly certain that Tedford has paid for his salary and then some.

None of this means Tedford should be immune from criticism, and there is certainly plenty of ammo after the play-calling last Saturday, but those sports are getting cut for reasons that go well beyond the head football coach&#039;s salary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me that people forget where Cal football was 10 years ago before Tedford arrived.  7-5 and 8-4 seasons were a pipe dream.  If you look at the revenue the Cal football program generates now as opposed to the final days of the Tom Holmore years (and Gilbertson before that), I am fairly certain that Tedford has paid for his salary and then some.</p>
<p>None of this means Tedford should be immune from criticism, and there is certainly plenty of ammo after the play-calling last Saturday, but those sports are getting cut for reasons that go well beyond the head football coach&#8217;s salary.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just saw the news that Cal is cutting baseball, gymnastics, women&#039;s lacrosse, and rugby (which gets relegated to a varsity club sport).  I can&#039;t help but again complain about the football team, and Tedford&#039;s contract.  Could we have saved one of these sports had Cal employed a coach who was a fraction of the cost and could still produce 7-5 and 8-4 seasons?

One of the wonderful things about Cal athletics was the commitment to sports other than Football and Basketball.  If Cal were a country, its Summer Olympic medal count would be in the top 20.  The baseball team cut?  There are six currently in the Major Leagues.  If Cal is going to put all of its eggs into the football and basketball baskets, they better produce.  It took 4 years too long to rid ourselves of Braun...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw the news that Cal is cutting baseball, gymnastics, women&#8217;s lacrosse, and rugby (which gets relegated to a varsity club sport).  I can&#8217;t help but again complain about the football team, and Tedford&#8217;s contract.  Could we have saved one of these sports had Cal employed a coach who was a fraction of the cost and could still produce 7-5 and 8-4 seasons?</p>
<p>One of the wonderful things about Cal athletics was the commitment to sports other than Football and Basketball.  If Cal were a country, its Summer Olympic medal count would be in the top 20.  The baseball team cut?  There are six currently in the Major Leagues.  If Cal is going to put all of its eggs into the football and basketball baskets, they better produce.  It took 4 years too long to rid ourselves of Braun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BerkeleyBear07</title>
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		<dc:creator>BerkeleyBear07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the coach&#039;s job to recruit the best available talent and then mold that talent in his vision.  If Tedford is struggling to do that then we must agree that he&#039;s not doing his job well enough.  It&#039;s not like Riley was a holdover from a previous coach.  Riley is Tedford&#039;s guy and his lack of performance over the last few years has only proved further to me that Tedford is losing his golden touch with QBs.

I simply can&#039;t get the bad memories of how last season ended out of my head and Cal is doing the exact same thing all over again this year.  Sure, we&#039;ll go to a bowl game (because 70 of the 120 teams that participate are eligible) but we&#039;ll see how everyone feels after Cal loses to Dixon State at the eatmyshorts.com Bowl in Sandusky, Ohio.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the coach&#8217;s job to recruit the best available talent and then mold that talent in his vision.  If Tedford is struggling to do that then we must agree that he&#8217;s not doing his job well enough.  It&#8217;s not like Riley was a holdover from a previous coach.  Riley is Tedford&#8217;s guy and his lack of performance over the last few years has only proved further to me that Tedford is losing his golden touch with QBs.</p>
<p>I simply can&#8217;t get the bad memories of how last season ended out of my head and Cal is doing the exact same thing all over again this year.  Sure, we&#8217;ll go to a bowl game (because 70 of the 120 teams that participate are eligible) but we&#8217;ll see how everyone feels after Cal loses to Dixon State at the eatmyshorts.com Bowl in Sandusky, Ohio.</p>
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