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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2012/06/28/football-keenan-allen-healthy-and-eager-makes-fair-argument-for-college-players-to-be-paid/comment-page-1/#comment-109089</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What kid in college is thinking about maintaining his standard of living? How incredibly selfish.

There are American kids his age dying in Afghanistan to protect his right to think these thoughts, and there are many students working a couple of jobs and taking a few more years to finish school. the University and the State are both in big financial trouble. And Allen is thinking about his standard of living. He is damn lucky he has the skills to perform on the athletic field, and that will give him a lucrative career as an entertainer in the NFL. What, he couldn’t wait to get his money?&quot;

Hmmm?  Do you take that attitude for anyone who tries to negotiate for more money?  What I&#039;m trying to figure out - and this really applies to all the responses to my question - what makes a college football player so fundamentally different than the rest of us?  Why do we treat them so differently than everyone else?  When I go out into the job market, I don&#039;t face people getting upset when I ask for more money.  I don&#039;t face a nationwide organization artificially capping my salary.  What&#039;s the basis of all this pushback?  Why is $300 a month in spending money as Nor-Cal Scott suggested appropriate (on top of the scholarship, of course, that definitely counts as pay)?  There&#039;s generally a mechanism in place for the rest of us to figure out how much we get paid - how much the market offers, how in demand we are, how well we negotiate, etc.  For them...it&#039;s just some arbitrary amount set because...?  That&#039;s what I&#039;m getting at.  What reason is there for that to be the chosen amount?  You have to have a real basis for saying they only deserve X amount, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What kid in college is thinking about maintaining his standard of living? How incredibly selfish.</p>
<p>There are American kids his age dying in Afghanistan to protect his right to think these thoughts, and there are many students working a couple of jobs and taking a few more years to finish school. the University and the State are both in big financial trouble. And Allen is thinking about his standard of living. He is damn lucky he has the skills to perform on the athletic field, and that will give him a lucrative career as an entertainer in the NFL. What, he couldn’t wait to get his money?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm?  Do you take that attitude for anyone who tries to negotiate for more money?  What I&#8217;m trying to figure out &#8211; and this really applies to all the responses to my question &#8211; what makes a college football player so fundamentally different than the rest of us?  Why do we treat them so differently than everyone else?  When I go out into the job market, I don&#8217;t face people getting upset when I ask for more money.  I don&#8217;t face a nationwide organization artificially capping my salary.  What&#8217;s the basis of all this pushback?  Why is $300 a month in spending money as Nor-Cal Scott suggested appropriate (on top of the scholarship, of course, that definitely counts as pay)?  There&#8217;s generally a mechanism in place for the rest of us to figure out how much we get paid &#8211; how much the market offers, how in demand we are, how well we negotiate, etc.  For them&#8230;it&#8217;s just some arbitrary amount set because&#8230;?  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m getting at.  What reason is there for that to be the chosen amount?  You have to have a real basis for saying they only deserve X amount, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 00:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with Kevin Thomas &amp; NorCal Scott&#039;s posts above.

Kevin, I bet that it&#039;s not really the student athletes who need or want the extra money, it&#039;s their support system that pushes these ideas in their head.

NorCal Scott - one of the things that irked me this past week is that they&#039;re trying to make the debate now about paying football players only. Not all student athletes. That is incredibly bad and not what universities should be doing. 

How easy we forget that baseball and rugby were just put to sleep a year ago and brought back by private donors, and again talk about paying college football players is out there. To me it&#039;s ludicrous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Kevin Thomas &amp; NorCal Scott&#8217;s posts above.</p>
<p>Kevin, I bet that it&#8217;s not really the student athletes who need or want the extra money, it&#8217;s their support system that pushes these ideas in their head.</p>
<p>NorCal Scott &#8211; one of the things that irked me this past week is that they&#8217;re trying to make the debate now about paying football players only. Not all student athletes. That is incredibly bad and not what universities should be doing. </p>
<p>How easy we forget that baseball and rugby were just put to sleep a year ago and brought back by private donors, and again talk about paying college football players is out there. To me it&#8217;s ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: MoreNCsarecoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoreNCsarecoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 21:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Losers. Hutchings of De La Salle to SC. 

&quot;It&#039;s a long and drawn out process for Top 100 football recruits to pick their college of choice. 

When the nation&#039;s No. 100 recruit - De La Salle (Concord, Calif.) linebacker and tight end/running back Michael Hutchings - finally went through his long and cumbersome pro-and-con list, he decided on a college that most reminded him of where he is. 

That school was USC. 

Hutchings, a fast and hard-hitting 6-foot-2, 215-pound incoming senior, picked the Trojans Saturday over Pac-12 rivals Cal, Oregon and Washington. 

&quot;A lot went into the process, but it came down to the combination of academics and athletics,&quot; Hutchings said. &quot;I talked with (Athletic Director) Pat Haden at length and he reminded me of the school&#039;s high standards and tradition. It reminded me a lot of where I&#039;m attending now (De La Salle).&quot;

Hutchings has been a starter on De La Salle&#039;s last two state Open Division championship teams. He had a chance to be reunited with his former teammate, fellow linebacker and good friend Michael Barton at Cal. Washington also was alluring, especially with former De La Salle standout Tosh Lupoi as an assistant coach and top recruiter. 

And De La Salle has also had a long line of athletes contribute at Oregon. 

But USC, with its terrific business department, and football coaching staff was too much for Hutchings to pass by, he said. Hutchings is the seventh Top 100 recruit from 2013 to commit to the Trojans, who should move up from its No. 5 team recruiting ranking.&quot;

HAHAHAHA...taken right out of your backyard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Losers. Hutchings of De La Salle to SC. </p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a long and drawn out process for Top 100 football recruits to pick their college of choice. </p>
<p>When the nation&#8217;s No. 100 recruit &#8211; De La Salle (Concord, Calif.) linebacker and tight end/running back Michael Hutchings &#8211; finally went through his long and cumbersome pro-and-con list, he decided on a college that most reminded him of where he is. </p>
<p>That school was USC. </p>
<p>Hutchings, a fast and hard-hitting 6-foot-2, 215-pound incoming senior, picked the Trojans Saturday over Pac-12 rivals Cal, Oregon and Washington. </p>
<p>&#8220;A lot went into the process, but it came down to the combination of academics and athletics,&#8221; Hutchings said. &#8220;I talked with (Athletic Director) Pat Haden at length and he reminded me of the school&#8217;s high standards and tradition. It reminded me a lot of where I&#8217;m attending now (De La Salle).&#8221;</p>
<p>Hutchings has been a starter on De La Salle&#8217;s last two state Open Division championship teams. He had a chance to be reunited with his former teammate, fellow linebacker and good friend Michael Barton at Cal. Washington also was alluring, especially with former De La Salle standout Tosh Lupoi as an assistant coach and top recruiter. </p>
<p>And De La Salle has also had a long line of athletes contribute at Oregon. </p>
<p>But USC, with its terrific business department, and football coaching staff was too much for Hutchings to pass by, he said. Hutchings is the seventh Top 100 recruit from 2013 to commit to the Trojans, who should move up from its No. 5 team recruiting ranking.&#8221;</p>
<p>HAHAHAHA&#8230;taken right out of your backyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Nor-Cal Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nor-Cal Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 19:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;B&quot; (#19)- I pretty much gave my answer in my first post (#1).... pocket money for some extras: fast food, coffee maybe, taking a chick to a movie, joked about beer &amp; weed, school supplies... etc. I simply based it on $300 x 12 months = $3,600.

And I think if football players get a dime, so should every student-athlete. Hence, a reasonable amount per S-A is a must, like $3600 or maybe $4K, not $10K. Heck, that $10K figure breaks down to $192.3076 per week! Or, gulp, $833.333 per month.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;B&#8221; (#19)- I pretty much gave my answer in my first post (#1)&#8230;. pocket money for some extras: fast food, coffee maybe, taking a chick to a movie, joked about beer &amp; weed, school supplies&#8230; etc. I simply based it on $300 x 12 months = $3,600.</p>
<p>And I think if football players get a dime, so should every student-athlete. Hence, a reasonable amount per S-A is a must, like $3600 or maybe $4K, not $10K. Heck, that $10K figure breaks down to $192.3076 per week! Or, gulp, $833.333 per month.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 17:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What kid in college is thinking about maintaining his standard of living? How incredibly selfish.

There are American kids his age dying in Afghanistan to protect his right to think these thoughts, and there are many students working a couple of jobs and taking a few more years to finish school. the University and the State are both in big financial trouble.  And Allen is thinking about his standard of living. He is damn lucky he has the skills to perform on the athletic field, and that will give him a lucrative career as an entertainer in the NFL.  What, he couldn&#039;t wait to get his money?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kid in college is thinking about maintaining his standard of living? How incredibly selfish.</p>
<p>There are American kids his age dying in Afghanistan to protect his right to think these thoughts, and there are many students working a couple of jobs and taking a few more years to finish school. the University and the State are both in big financial trouble.  And Allen is thinking about his standard of living. He is damn lucky he has the skills to perform on the athletic field, and that will give him a lucrative career as an entertainer in the NFL.  What, he couldn&#8217;t wait to get his money?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 02:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MoreNCS_are_ignored and sanctioned! troll post blocked

Moren should be able to relate, he&#039;s never held a paid job in his life LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MoreNCS_are_ignored and sanctioned! troll post blocked</p>
<p>Moren should be able to relate, he&#8217;s never held a paid job in his life LOL</p>
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		<title>By: MoreNCsarecoming</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoreNCsarecoming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/

#6...please keep him. He deserves another 5 year contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/" rel="nofollow">http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/</a></p>
<p>#6&#8230;please keep him. He deserves another 5 year contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way keenan is my favorite player on the team. When i was in school i probably would have said the same thing in his position. I can see how seeing jerseys with your number being sold would make you feel like you should get a cut. 

But i disagree with it because there are too many macro issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way keenan is my favorite player on the team. When i was in school i probably would have said the same thing in his position. I can see how seeing jerseys with your number being sold would make you feel like you should get a cut. </p>
<p>But i disagree with it because there are too many macro issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[B- scholarship levels are set based on tuition, room and board and living expenses for each university. An academic full ride is the same as a sports full ride.

Students can also apply for additional emergency moneys based on financial need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B- scholarship levels are set based on tuition, room and board and living expenses for each university. An academic full ride is the same as a sports full ride.</p>
<p>Students can also apply for additional emergency moneys based on financial need.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 01:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you incorporate facilities upgrades when it relates to student athlete payments? How much money and risk did Cal spend to fund the new facilities. And if the team doesnt win tickets wont sell. And as the wall street journal pointed out if that happens the ACADEMIC portion of our school will suffer.

So in a scenario where the football playersnget paid, but the upgrades bankrupt chemistry, are the student athletes legally liable for the chemistry students who now have to transfer?

Paying college students is way more complex than the intuition that &quot;schools make money off of players&quot;. Welcome to the real world and get used to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you incorporate facilities upgrades when it relates to student athlete payments? How much money and risk did Cal spend to fund the new facilities. And if the team doesnt win tickets wont sell. And as the wall street journal pointed out if that happens the ACADEMIC portion of our school will suffer.</p>
<p>So in a scenario where the football playersnget paid, but the upgrades bankrupt chemistry, are the student athletes legally liable for the chemistry students who now have to transfer?</p>
<p>Paying college students is way more complex than the intuition that &#8220;schools make money off of players&#8221;. Welcome to the real world and get used to it.</p>
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