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		<title>By: wehofx</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2013/01/09/basketball-washington-game-thread-5/comment-page-1/#comment-151143</link>
		<dc:creator>wehofx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 01:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok.  I&#039;ll answer your question, if you do me the courtesy of answering mine in #35.

RE:  &quot;rebuilding?&quot;

#34 making tourny but losing play in game is bad.  but we made the tourny.

the questions I ask in post #35 about wallace and cobb (and my comparison of JC to J Randle) are reasons I think this is a &quot;rebuilding&quot; year. if they develop and improve (along w kreklow, solomon and kravish)then, along side next year&#039;s class, we &quot;COULD&quot; - not will - be very good. 

on the other hand, if the above mentioned players all suck and have no chance at developing under Monty&#039;s substandard coaching then, you&#039;re right.  we suck. and, you&#039;re right again, there is nothing upon which to &quot;build.&quot;

(and how you can separate players from their team is beyond me.)

am I right that you thought J Randle sucked?  

monty had nothing to do w JR making that final big improvement in his game that lead to conf title?

Examples of &quot;Patting yourself on the back:&quot;

In post #29 I&#039;m pretty sure I made no excuses.  I pointed out flaws and troubling stats.  BUT you wrote:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;stop with the excuses&quot;
&gt;&gt;&gt;

implies - make that, states - that I am in denial which means that you know better.  (pat. pat. pat.)  as all knowing seer of truth (pat. pat. pat.) it is your duty to educate the misguided and deluded.  (pat. pat. pat.)  and make us/me see the error of our ways.  (pat. pat. pat.)

you think there might be a reason why you&#039;re second - albeit a far distant second - to moron in posts (counter) attacking your posts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok.  I&#8217;ll answer your question, if you do me the courtesy of answering mine in #35.</p>
<p>RE:  &#8220;rebuilding?&#8221;</p>
<p>#34 making tourny but losing play in game is bad.  but we made the tourny.</p>
<p>the questions I ask in post #35 about wallace and cobb (and my comparison of JC to J Randle) are reasons I think this is a &#8220;rebuilding&#8221; year. if they develop and improve (along w kreklow, solomon and kravish)then, along side next year&#8217;s class, we &#8220;COULD&#8221; &#8211; not will &#8211; be very good. </p>
<p>on the other hand, if the above mentioned players all suck and have no chance at developing under Monty&#8217;s substandard coaching then, you&#8217;re right.  we suck. and, you&#8217;re right again, there is nothing upon which to &#8220;build.&#8221;</p>
<p>(and how you can separate players from their team is beyond me.)</p>
<p>am I right that you thought J Randle sucked?  </p>
<p>monty had nothing to do w JR making that final big improvement in his game that lead to conf title?</p>
<p>Examples of &#8220;Patting yourself on the back:&#8221;</p>
<p>In post #29 I&#8217;m pretty sure I made no excuses.  I pointed out flaws and troubling stats.  BUT you wrote:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8221;stop with the excuses&#8221;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>implies &#8211; make that, states &#8211; that I am in denial which means that you know better.  (pat. pat. pat.)  as all knowing seer of truth (pat. pat. pat.) it is your duty to educate the misguided and deluded.  (pat. pat. pat.)  and make us/me see the error of our ways.  (pat. pat. pat.)</p>
<p>you think there might be a reason why you&#8217;re second &#8211; albeit a far distant second &#8211; to moron in posts (counter) attacking your posts?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveNTexas</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2013/01/09/basketball-washington-game-thread-5/comment-page-1/#comment-151111</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveNTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t have a problem with the rest of your post. Kids who play college basketball whether they are good or not do not suck-teams and high paid coaches do.

I saw nothing in that post 34 about myself or patting my back-  nor in the prior post - it has nothing to do with me -I&#039;m an older fan/alum who wants better for us.

Please point out where my post had anything to do with patting myself on the back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t have a problem with the rest of your post. Kids who play college basketball whether they are good or not do not suck-teams and high paid coaches do.</p>
<p>I saw nothing in that post 34 about myself or patting my back-  nor in the prior post &#8211; it has nothing to do with me -I&#8217;m an older fan/alum who wants better for us.</p>
<p>Please point out where my post had anything to do with patting myself on the back.</p>
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		<title>By: wehofx</title>
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		<dc:creator>wehofx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 18:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#34 did you read my post?

or did you just see the line that gave you the opportunity for another self righteous I-told-you-so?

does T Wallace suck?

does J Cobb suck?  (sometimes.  but then so did J Randle until he figured it out and put it all together.  but I&#039;m sure you thought JR sucked?)

do you ever get tired of patting yourself on the back?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#34 did you read my post?</p>
<p>or did you just see the line that gave you the opportunity for another self righteous I-told-you-so?</p>
<p>does T Wallace suck?</p>
<p>does J Cobb suck?  (sometimes.  but then so did J Randle until he figured it out and put it all together.  but I&#8217;m sure you thought JR sucked?)</p>
<p>do you ever get tired of patting yourself on the back?</p>
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		<title>By: SteveNTexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveNTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wehox-- Rebuilding year?????? the word rebuilding assumes there was something built in the first place. Last year we were expected to make the NCAAs, even to win a few games. We choked horribly down the stretch and then lost the playin game to South Florida who then lost its next game. Stop with the excuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wehox&#8211; Rebuilding year?????? the word rebuilding assumes there was something built in the first place. Last year we were expected to make the NCAAs, even to win a few games. We choked horribly down the stretch and then lost the playin game to South Florida who then lost its next game. Stop with the excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair point gobears.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point gobears.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wisdom Cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wisdom Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gobears, I gotta chime in on one aspect.  Jorge and Randle had such intangibles that their teams never lacked &quot;heart.&quot;  I can&#039;t give Monty credit for the fight the teams had when those two were the leaders (though recruiting Jorge can be transferred to it through some argument, I suppose).  Even at Stanfurd, Monty&#039;s teams lived or died down the stretch of tight games on the shoulders of the team&#039;s star.

I just don&#039;t think he is the type of coach that inspires.  He&#039;s got fire, but he&#039;s more of a cerebral coach.  When he has a complimentary player/leader with heart, then his teams excel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gobears, I gotta chime in on one aspect.  Jorge and Randle had such intangibles that their teams never lacked &#8220;heart.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t give Monty credit for the fight the teams had when those two were the leaders (though recruiting Jorge can be transferred to it through some argument, I suppose).  Even at Stanfurd, Monty&#8217;s teams lived or died down the stretch of tight games on the shoulders of the team&#8217;s star.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think he is the type of coach that inspires.  He&#8217;s got fire, but he&#8217;s more of a cerebral coach.  When he has a complimentary player/leader with heart, then his teams excel.</p>
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		<title>By: gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots to respond to --

1.  SteveNTexas -- we&#039;ve played pretty bad so far.  I do think we have good talent though we are challenged in the front court.  I&#039;ll wait till about halfway through the league games to decide whether we suck or not.  I will admit so far that we suck at shooting three point shots and are not very good at the free throw line.

2.  Wehofx -- learned something from you.  Bad assists to turnovers probably shows not enough passing, not handling the ball well, or a combination of both.  Would be interesting if their is a correlation to the top assist to turnover ratio to rankings.  Probably this stat, plus ranking of other stats, would show a decent correlation.  Note, Jauncho, I am not requesting anyone to do this work.  Way too much work for anyone to do, but I am surprised some national publication hasn&#039;t tried it and published their results.

3.  Wehofx -- I have previously posted that we really miss Jorge, who was a leader in showing how to do anything to win.  Agree Kamp was also a team leader and steadying influence.

4.  Juancho -- I think the lack of heart thing can only be laid on a coach if it occurs over several seasons, or at least two. I don&#039;t think anyone had identified, prior to this year, Monty&#039;s teams at Cal lacking heart.  I think we used to win most close games, which shows a certain level of heart.  But it is hard to get a team to have a lot of heart if all of the players don&#039;t already individually have it.   Really can&#039;t see an emotional, team guy, in Cal&#039;s starting lineup and really couldn&#039;t count on Kreklow, since he wouldn&#039;t have started anyway, to provide it.  Crabbe seems much too reserved to provide it and I question how much of a team guy Cobbs is, given the number of ridiculously difficult shots he takes (which Monty IS responsible for, since he can discipline him if he does so and apparently does not). 

Just my thoughts.  I think I&#039;m commenting too much and will write sparingly for at least the next two weeks.  Would love to read comments from some new responders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots to respond to &#8211;</p>
<p>1.  SteveNTexas &#8212; we&#8217;ve played pretty bad so far.  I do think we have good talent though we are challenged in the front court.  I&#8217;ll wait till about halfway through the league games to decide whether we suck or not.  I will admit so far that we suck at shooting three point shots and are not very good at the free throw line.</p>
<p>2.  Wehofx &#8212; learned something from you.  Bad assists to turnovers probably shows not enough passing, not handling the ball well, or a combination of both.  Would be interesting if their is a correlation to the top assist to turnover ratio to rankings.  Probably this stat, plus ranking of other stats, would show a decent correlation.  Note, Jauncho, I am not requesting anyone to do this work.  Way too much work for anyone to do, but I am surprised some national publication hasn&#8217;t tried it and published their results.</p>
<p>3.  Wehofx &#8212; I have previously posted that we really miss Jorge, who was a leader in showing how to do anything to win.  Agree Kamp was also a team leader and steadying influence.</p>
<p>4.  Juancho &#8212; I think the lack of heart thing can only be laid on a coach if it occurs over several seasons, or at least two. I don&#8217;t think anyone had identified, prior to this year, Monty&#8217;s teams at Cal lacking heart.  I think we used to win most close games, which shows a certain level of heart.  But it is hard to get a team to have a lot of heart if all of the players don&#8217;t already individually have it.   Really can&#8217;t see an emotional, team guy, in Cal&#8217;s starting lineup and really couldn&#8217;t count on Kreklow, since he wouldn&#8217;t have started anyway, to provide it.  Crabbe seems much too reserved to provide it and I question how much of a team guy Cobbs is, given the number of ridiculously difficult shots he takes (which Monty IS responsible for, since he can discipline him if he does so and apparently does not). </p>
<p>Just my thoughts.  I think I&#8217;m commenting too much and will write sparingly for at least the next two weeks.  Would love to read comments from some new responders.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have to say lack of heart reflects on coach. As does the assists to turnovers.

We sure as heck used the lack of heart thing to bag on Tedford. Monty doesn&#039;t get a pass on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to say lack of heart reflects on coach. As does the assists to turnovers.</p>
<p>We sure as heck used the lack of heart thing to bag on Tedford. Monty doesn&#8217;t get a pass on this.</p>
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		<title>By: wehofx</title>
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		<dc:creator>wehofx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 00:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[worked last night and forgot to set dvr.  sounds like a good thing.

telling stats:  uw shot %35 from the field and we still lost.

Out Rebounded 48 to 35 (at home is a really, really bad stat.  crabbe was our leading rebounder.)

Almost another negative assist to turnover ratio 11 to 10.

at least on the stat sheet, the only positive is kravish finally showed up.

in monty&#039;s post game interview he said the team lacked heart.  the fellas gotta look inside themselves and someone has to step up and say,  &quot;no more of this bs!&quot;  I remain hopeful that it will be crabbe or cobb.  

I&#039;m guessing monty was hoping kreklow would replace gut and kamp as team leader.

rebuilding year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worked last night and forgot to set dvr.  sounds like a good thing.</p>
<p>telling stats:  uw shot %35 from the field and we still lost.</p>
<p>Out Rebounded 48 to 35 (at home is a really, really bad stat.  crabbe was our leading rebounder.)</p>
<p>Almost another negative assist to turnover ratio 11 to 10.</p>
<p>at least on the stat sheet, the only positive is kravish finally showed up.</p>
<p>in monty&#8217;s post game interview he said the team lacked heart.  the fellas gotta look inside themselves and someone has to step up and say,  &#8220;no more of this bs!&#8221;  I remain hopeful that it will be crabbe or cobb.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing monty was hoping kreklow would replace gut and kamp as team leader.</p>
<p>rebuilding year.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gobears - I just realized I made a mistake. You referenced the first minutes of the game. I got confused. I misread your comment and thought you were saying the last few minutes of the game.

My apologies. I take back the comment that playing well at the end when the game is over is Tedfordesque.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gobears &#8211; I just realized I made a mistake. You referenced the first minutes of the game. I got confused. I misread your comment and thought you were saying the last few minutes of the game.</p>
<p>My apologies. I take back the comment that playing well at the end when the game is over is Tedfordesque.</p>
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