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		<title>By: SteveNTexas</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2013/02/02/basketball-oregon-game-thread-7/comment-page-1/#comment-156258</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveNTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 01:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was good with Monty in the beginning, but its not just recruiting-- and remember as Juancho points out our top recruit  would have come here anyway.


What also bothered me is the way when choked down the stretch last year losing to mediocre teams and being played out of the NCAAs.

Now we beat a decent team who is 1-2 without its guard and everyone ignores  that we were 0-6 v the Top 50. Even USC  the worst team in the conf  has a nice upset.  What is the EXCUSE for this year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was good with Monty in the beginning, but its not just recruiting&#8211; and remember as Juancho points out our top recruit  would have come here anyway.</p>
<p>What also bothered me is the way when choked down the stretch last year losing to mediocre teams and being played out of the NCAAs.</p>
<p>Now we beat a decent team who is 1-2 without its guard and everyone ignores  that we were 0-6 v the Top 50. Even USC  the worst team in the conf  has a nice upset.  What is the EXCUSE for this year?</p>
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		<title>By: Esquire Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esquire Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 00:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure the horse is long dead, but I&#039;m just recovering from my Super Bowl hangover, and this is therapy for me.

Aren&#039;t we putting way too much credit/blame on Monty for the actual recruiting that has (or hasn&#039;t) been done?  I know it&#039;s not to the degree in basketball that it is in football, but isn&#039;t it really assistants who do the bulk of the recruiting work?

What Monty needs to do is HIRE a good recruiter.  He&#039;s a great coach, and I&#039;ve been very impressed by the progress that many of his players make over their Cal careers (Mr. Solomon not withstanding).  If we have to pick great Xs and Os guy or great recruiter, I&#039;ll take the former.  It was good times when Bozeman was here, but the penalties were too high a price to pay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the horse is long dead, but I&#8217;m just recovering from my Super Bowl hangover, and this is therapy for me.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t we putting way too much credit/blame on Monty for the actual recruiting that has (or hasn&#8217;t) been done?  I know it&#8217;s not to the degree in basketball that it is in football, but isn&#8217;t it really assistants who do the bulk of the recruiting work?</p>
<p>What Monty needs to do is HIRE a good recruiter.  He&#8217;s a great coach, and I&#8217;ve been very impressed by the progress that many of his players make over their Cal careers (Mr. Solomon not withstanding).  If we have to pick great Xs and Os guy or great recruiter, I&#8217;ll take the former.  It was good times when Bozeman was here, but the penalties were too high a price to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: bigdruid</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigdruid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, the background is that Steve has been complaining about Monty since he was hired. The year we won the Pac-10, he still found something to complain about (our recruiting).

Of course, it&#039;s a completely valid complaint - our recruiting *has* been poor, and our lack of depth is the biggest reason why we are struggling this year, as everyone has already pointed out. But it&#039;s just ironic that Steve is finally now openly calling for Monty&#039;s dismissal, just when Monty has put together his best recruiting class.

WisdomCow - I&#039;m with you in my appreciation for Ben Braun. I was very pleased to see him land on his feet and get another job right away. I still think Monty is a better coach (Braun was a better recruiter, but note how many players left the program under his tenure), but I respect both coaches as class acts. I&#039;d be proud to have my sons play for either coach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the background is that Steve has been complaining about Monty since he was hired. The year we won the Pac-10, he still found something to complain about (our recruiting).</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s a completely valid complaint &#8211; our recruiting *has* been poor, and our lack of depth is the biggest reason why we are struggling this year, as everyone has already pointed out. But it&#8217;s just ironic that Steve is finally now openly calling for Monty&#8217;s dismissal, just when Monty has put together his best recruiting class.</p>
<p>WisdomCow &#8211; I&#8217;m with you in my appreciation for Ben Braun. I was very pleased to see him land on his feet and get another job right away. I still think Monty is a better coach (Braun was a better recruiter, but note how many players left the program under his tenure), but I respect both coaches as class acts. I&#8217;d be proud to have my sons play for either coach.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveNTexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveNTexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discude I like your stats but year by year what has our record been since Monty?  By the time he has been able to recruit all four years the team theoretically should be much improved.  Next factor in that the Pac12 has had some really weak years. Arizona and UCLA hit bottom but have now surpassed us. We underperformed last year choking in the clutch and this year may even be worse.  Where is the improvement?

As for Michigan I really didn&#039;t see more than a handful of Michigan Fans complaining - Michigan is probably the second best team in the country.  

As for some people complaining -YesI am. I don&#039;t complain about Sam Houston because they can&#039;t be expected to be a tourney team often. UTEP does seem like it may be on the rebound but I&#039;m not sure. Indiana turned around its program rapidly but I don&#039;t hold Cal to IU&#039;s standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discude I like your stats but year by year what has our record been since Monty?  By the time he has been able to recruit all four years the team theoretically should be much improved.  Next factor in that the Pac12 has had some really weak years. Arizona and UCLA hit bottom but have now surpassed us. We underperformed last year choking in the clutch and this year may even be worse.  Where is the improvement?</p>
<p>As for Michigan I really didn&#8217;t see more than a handful of Michigan Fans complaining &#8211; Michigan is probably the second best team in the country.  </p>
<p>As for some people complaining -YesI am. I don&#8217;t complain about Sam Houston because they can&#8217;t be expected to be a tourney team often. UTEP does seem like it may be on the rebound but I&#8217;m not sure. Indiana turned around its program rapidly but I don&#8217;t hold Cal to IU&#8217;s standards.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wisdom Cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wisdom Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NINERS!

Spent the last 5+ hours making a huge pot of Chili.  Unfortunately, I made it kid friendly hoping my entry in Evolution: The Home Game will eat it, no big chunks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NINERS!</p>
<p>Spent the last 5+ hours making a huge pot of Chili.  Unfortunately, I made it kid friendly hoping my entry in Evolution: The Home Game will eat it, no big chunks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wisdom Cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wisdom Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IF I am a parent, I don&#039;t let my kid play basketball for Oregon, unless I live in the area.  No way do I want to suffer the seizure and brain damage of watching too many of their games on TV.  I presume that floor looks cool in person, but on TV it feels like I am staring at one of those 3rd Eye books, with my eye not knowing what to focus on.

On Monty, I think almost the same as Juancho.  Poor recruiting until this new class [knocks on head].  That&#039;s in his Cal tenure, anyways.  Otherwise, his only real flaw has ALWAYS been end of game management, where only when he had the top players and let them do their heroics did he find consistent late game success.  Again, that&#039;s pretty much the only flaw I&#039;ve ever seen in his coaching with any consistency, which still puts him WAY high on the curve.

Braun gets a bad rap because he was never and would never be an offensive mind.  He needed go-to guys for entire games (compared to Monty&#039;s final minutes of games).  However, Braun was a superior teacher for defensive fundamentals, did a quality job of recruiting, and (IMO) did great at getting players to put in effort, both during games and during the year, such that nearly all of his players really improved with each season.

He had a lot of flaws, mostly with offense (which lead to a few horrid seasons when rosters lulled), but I&#039;ll never think unfondly of Braun.  Some of his best years coincided with the opening of Haas - good Cal memories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IF I am a parent, I don&#8217;t let my kid play basketball for Oregon, unless I live in the area.  No way do I want to suffer the seizure and brain damage of watching too many of their games on TV.  I presume that floor looks cool in person, but on TV it feels like I am staring at one of those 3rd Eye books, with my eye not knowing what to focus on.</p>
<p>On Monty, I think almost the same as Juancho.  Poor recruiting until this new class [knocks on head].  That&#8217;s in his Cal tenure, anyways.  Otherwise, his only real flaw has ALWAYS been end of game management, where only when he had the top players and let them do their heroics did he find consistent late game success.  Again, that&#8217;s pretty much the only flaw I&#8217;ve ever seen in his coaching with any consistency, which still puts him WAY high on the curve.</p>
<p>Braun gets a bad rap because he was never and would never be an offensive mind.  He needed go-to guys for entire games (compared to Monty&#8217;s final minutes of games).  However, Braun was a superior teacher for defensive fundamentals, did a quality job of recruiting, and (IMO) did great at getting players to put in effort, both during games and during the year, such that nearly all of his players really improved with each season.</p>
<p>He had a lot of flaws, mostly with offense (which lead to a few horrid seasons when rosters lulled), but I&#8217;ll never think unfondly of Braun.  Some of his best years coincided with the opening of Haas &#8211; good Cal memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a raiders fan who lives in san francisco this is an interesting super bowl to watch. No real rooting interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a raiders fan who lives in san francisco this is an interesting super bowl to watch. No real rooting interest.</p>
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		<title>By: discdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>discdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, Oregon...that may have been it. Yeah, they are a sleeping giant imho, one that has recently awoken. New court, rabid sports fans, Nike $$$, and Altman is a great coach. Even so, it&#039;s been hard to overcome Artis being out.  Losing to Cal wasn&#039;t as much of a shocker as getting pasted by Furd. 

In any case, if Gordon goes there, yeah, that would not be good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Oregon&#8230;that may have been it. Yeah, they are a sleeping giant imho, one that has recently awoken. New court, rabid sports fans, Nike $$$, and Altman is a great coach. Even so, it&#8217;s been hard to overcome Artis being out.  Losing to Cal wasn&#8217;t as much of a shocker as getting pasted by Furd. </p>
<p>In any case, if Gordon goes there, yeah, that would not be good.</p>
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		<title>By: discdude</title>
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		<dc:creator>discdude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know...I thought I read something recently that Gordon was re-considering Cal? I could be wrong on that one. I know Kentucky basically &quot;took&quot; his slot when they over-recruited and gave him pause to re-consider.  Given where Zona is at, they might have the lead. I think UW is looking less likely, I say that because how much more talent can Romar get that under-performs?  Let&#039;s be honest, they&#039;ve had more talent than Cal and you&#039;d think they&#039;d win more.  But once again, we see the inconsistency of Romar&#039;s coaching. And Zona is definitely more of an NBA pipeline.  Honestly, I&#039;d be shocked if Gordon did end up at Cal, but I&#039;d gladly take his one-and-done. (one thing we certainly don&#039;t know is academics...)

I too loved Kately, truly exciting.  We are on the same page there, I think his transfer was a low point for me personally. I still have a fondness for Kidd&#039;s behind-the-back pass in his debut with Dick Vitale spazzing out over it.

Enjoy the Super Bowl folks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know&#8230;I thought I read something recently that Gordon was re-considering Cal? I could be wrong on that one. I know Kentucky basically &#8220;took&#8221; his slot when they over-recruited and gave him pause to re-consider.  Given where Zona is at, they might have the lead. I think UW is looking less likely, I say that because how much more talent can Romar get that under-performs?  Let&#8217;s be honest, they&#8217;ve had more talent than Cal and you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d win more.  But once again, we see the inconsistency of Romar&#8217;s coaching. And Zona is definitely more of an NBA pipeline.  Honestly, I&#8217;d be shocked if Gordon did end up at Cal, but I&#8217;d gladly take his one-and-done. (one thing we certainly don&#8217;t know is academics&#8230;)</p>
<p>I too loved Kately, truly exciting.  We are on the same page there, I think his transfer was a low point for me personally. I still have a fondness for Kidd&#8217;s behind-the-back pass in his debut with Dick Vitale spazzing out over it.</p>
<p>Enjoy the Super Bowl folks.</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read that gordon added one team to his finalists friday. 

Unfortunately its oregon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read that gordon added one team to his finalists friday. </p>
<p>Unfortunately its oregon.</p>
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