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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2013/02/03/basketball-gutierrez-improving-in-d-league/comment-page-1/#comment-156388</link>
		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honorable Mention:

Geno Carlisle, AJ Diggs, Sean Marks, Solomon Hughes, Patrick Christopher]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honorable Mention:</p>
<p>Geno Carlisle, AJ Diggs, Sean Marks, Solomon Hughes, Patrick Christopher</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do to the fact that this is based on how they performed at Cal. I will begrudgingly exclude Marquis Kately. If this was based on putting together a squad to win one game, I&#039;d have Kately probably on my second team. Guy had unreal athleticism. And I never saw anyone at Cal get to the basket and above the rim with such ease.

First Team:

PG - Jason Kidd
SG - Ed Gray
SF - Lamond Murray
PF - Shareef Abdur Rahim
C - Amit Tamir

Second Team:

PG - Jason Randle
SG - Kevin Johnson
SF - Joe Shipp
PF - Ryan Anderson
C - Yogi Stewart

My disclaimer: I didn&#039;t see a lot of the older guys like Imhoff. So I have to just focus on the guys I saw play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do to the fact that this is based on how they performed at Cal. I will begrudgingly exclude Marquis Kately. If this was based on putting together a squad to win one game, I&#8217;d have Kately probably on my second team. Guy had unreal athleticism. And I never saw anyone at Cal get to the basket and above the rim with such ease.</p>
<p>First Team:</p>
<p>PG &#8211; Jason Kidd<br />
SG &#8211; Ed Gray<br />
SF &#8211; Lamond Murray<br />
PF &#8211; Shareef Abdur Rahim<br />
C &#8211; Amit Tamir</p>
<p>Second Team:</p>
<p>PG &#8211; Jason Randle<br />
SG &#8211; Kevin Johnson<br />
SF &#8211; Joe Shipp<br />
PF &#8211; Ryan Anderson<br />
C &#8211; Yogi Stewart</p>
<p>My disclaimer: I didn&#8217;t see a lot of the older guys like Imhoff. So I have to just focus on the guys I saw play.</p>
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		<title>By: Gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BlakeStreetBear,

       Thanks for contributing.  Have a problem with a few of your selections, but overall, they are not bad.

       Came across this link looking up Buckley&#039;s stats (averaged about 12 and 16 points his junior and senior years (got them from another link).  Confirms that Murray, Grigsby, and Buckley were in the same recruiting class, plus K.J. Roberts.  A good article, with probably some great footage, including Kidd when he was playing in high school.  When I have time I am going back to read it.  The Kidd/Murray years were the best for Cal since 1959-1960, which was way before my time.

http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/5/20/2180733/jason-kidd]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlakeStreetBear,</p>
<p>       Thanks for contributing.  Have a problem with a few of your selections, but overall, they are not bad.</p>
<p>       Came across this link looking up Buckley&#8217;s stats (averaged about 12 and 16 points his junior and senior years (got them from another link).  Confirms that Murray, Grigsby, and Buckley were in the same recruiting class, plus K.J. Roberts.  A good article, with probably some great footage, including Kidd when he was playing in high school.  When I have time I am going back to read it.  The Kidd/Murray years were the best for Cal since 1959-1960, which was way before my time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/5/20/2180733/jason-kidd" rel="nofollow">http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/5/20/2180733/jason-kidd</a></p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Viva Jorge!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viva Jorge!</p>
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		<title>By: BlakeStreetBear</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlakeStreetBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First team:

Kidd - PG
Jorge - SG
Murray - SF
Shareef - PF
Powe - C

Can you imagine the defense of a Kidd and Jorge backcourt?? And it could happen if Jorge gets a shot at the NBA, maybe the Knicks are looking to expand their fan base, a la Jeremy Lin?

Second team

Randle - PG
Gray - SG
Buckley - SF
Kamp - PF
Anderson - C

How fun would it be to watch Randle, Gray and Monty run the break?

Go Bears!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First team:</p>
<p>Kidd &#8211; PG<br />
Jorge &#8211; SG<br />
Murray &#8211; SF<br />
Shareef &#8211; PF<br />
Powe &#8211; C</p>
<p>Can you imagine the defense of a Kidd and Jorge backcourt?? And it could happen if Jorge gets a shot at the NBA, maybe the Knicks are looking to expand their fan base, a la Jeremy Lin?</p>
<p>Second team</p>
<p>Randle &#8211; PG<br />
Gray &#8211; SG<br />
Buckley &#8211; SF<br />
Kamp &#8211; PF<br />
Anderson &#8211; C</p>
<p>How fun would it be to watch Randle, Gray and Monty run the break?</p>
<p>Go Bears!</p>
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		<title>By: Gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I have to do this again, as I didn&#039;t delete a comment about the first team and I&#039;ve cleaned it up a bit to make the presentation of the first and second teams consistent.

First team –

Point guard -- Jason Kidd
Shooting guard -- Ed Gray
Small forward -- Lamond Murray
Power forward -- Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Center -- Darrell Imhoff

My second team is --

Point guard — Kevin Johnson
Shooting guard — Phil Chenier (though a very good argument could be that it should be Rusty Critchfield)
Small forward — Ryan Anderson
Power forward — Leon Powe
Center — Mark McNamara]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I have to do this again, as I didn&#8217;t delete a comment about the first team and I&#8217;ve cleaned it up a bit to make the presentation of the first and second teams consistent.</p>
<p>First team –</p>
<p>Point guard &#8212; Jason Kidd<br />
Shooting guard &#8212; Ed Gray<br />
Small forward &#8212; Lamond Murray<br />
Power forward &#8212; Shareef Abdur-Rahim<br />
Center &#8212; Darrell Imhoff</p>
<p>My second team is &#8211;</p>
<p>Point guard — Kevin Johnson<br />
Shooting guard — Phil Chenier (though a very good argument could be that it should be Rusty Critchfield)<br />
Small forward — Ryan Anderson<br />
Power forward — Leon Powe<br />
Center — Mark McNamara</p>
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		<title>By: Gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I&#039;ve changed my mind a couple of times in my comments above, here is my final list of first and second team all time players, based upon their performance at Cal only.

First team --

Jason Kidd — point guard
Ed Gray — shooting guard (though I think he actually played the point)
Shareef Abdur-Rahim — power forward
Lamond Murray — small forward
Darrell Imhoff — center

My second team is

Point guard — Kevin Johnson
Shooting guard — Phil Chenier (though a very good argument could be that it should be Rusty Critchfield)
Small forward — Ryan Anderson
Power forward — Leon Powe
Center — Mark McNamara]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve changed my mind a couple of times in my comments above, here is my final list of first and second team all time players, based upon their performance at Cal only.</p>
<p>First team &#8211;</p>
<p>Jason Kidd — point guard<br />
Ed Gray — shooting guard (though I think he actually played the point)<br />
Shareef Abdur-Rahim — power forward<br />
Lamond Murray — small forward<br />
Darrell Imhoff — center</p>
<p>My second team is</p>
<p>Point guard — Kevin Johnson<br />
Shooting guard — Phil Chenier (though a very good argument could be that it should be Rusty Critchfield)<br />
Small forward — Ryan Anderson<br />
Power forward — Leon Powe<br />
Center — Mark McNamara</p>
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		<title>By: Gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point of clarification -- for those not familiar with the Cal teams from the early 90&#039;s, Lamond Murray played with Jason Kidd for a couple of years, and a banner with Kidd&#039;s name on it is now hanging from the rafters of Haas, so this provides the underlying facts relating to my comment above about Cal possibly not wanting to have two players from the same team on a banner (but I could be wrong about that).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point of clarification &#8212; for those not familiar with the Cal teams from the early 90&#8242;s, Lamond Murray played with Jason Kidd for a couple of years, and a banner with Kidd&#8217;s name on it is now hanging from the rafters of Haas, so this provides the underlying facts relating to my comment above about Cal possibly not wanting to have two players from the same team on a banner (but I could be wrong about that).</p>
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		<title>By: Gobears49</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gobears49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juancho and everyone else,

       Just to let everyone know that the link I provided above showing Cal&#039;s basketball history, including a ton of stats, only goes through the 2000 season.

       In answer to Juancho&#039;s question in #16 above, I think we just go on how well players performed at Cal.  

       Based upon that, who has been selected as having their name on a banner above Haas should count for a lot in determining the best freshman class.  Your three players will never get their name on a banner and will never be considered to be up there, while I already have at least one (Grigsby), and if Murray is not up there now his name will at least be considered (could be his name is not up there because Cal doesn&#039;t want to have two players from the same team hanging from the rafters, but I could be wrong about that.   

      In terms of who should be first team shooting guard, based upon Cal performance, I should point out that Critchfield won Cal MVP three times (though on very mediocre teams), Chenier twice (also on mediocre teams), and Gray once (I think).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juancho and everyone else,</p>
<p>       Just to let everyone know that the link I provided above showing Cal&#8217;s basketball history, including a ton of stats, only goes through the 2000 season.</p>
<p>       In answer to Juancho&#8217;s question in #16 above, I think we just go on how well players performed at Cal.  </p>
<p>       Based upon that, who has been selected as having their name on a banner above Haas should count for a lot in determining the best freshman class.  Your three players will never get their name on a banner and will never be considered to be up there, while I already have at least one (Grigsby), and if Murray is not up there now his name will at least be considered (could be his name is not up there because Cal doesn&#8217;t want to have two players from the same team hanging from the rafters, but I could be wrong about that.   </p>
<p>      In terms of who should be first team shooting guard, based upon Cal performance, I should point out that Critchfield won Cal MVP three times (though on very mediocre teams), Chenier twice (also on mediocre teams), and Gray once (I think).</p>
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		<title>By: Juancho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juancho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gb49 are we picking teams based on their career at cal or talent level ?

If its on career at cal i dont think i include powe, anderson, kately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gb49 are we picking teams based on their career at cal or talent level ?</p>
<p>If its on career at cal i dont think i include powe, anderson, kately.</p>
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