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	<title>Comments on: CIDER: An interview with a Magners Irish Cider scientist</title>
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		<title>By: tadhg</title>
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		<dc:creator>tadhg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Zythophile,My understanding is that when the english occupied Ireland they banned use of the Native language including native names,a standard  procedure along with raping local women used by imperialist  countries to strip the natives of their culture and make them less hostile to their occupiers,beautiful unique Irish names and words, were randomly assigned english translations that have no bearing on pronounciation or meaning.I bet you think theres a town in Ireland called Londonderry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Zythophile,My understanding is that when the english occupied Ireland they banned use of the Native language including native names,a standard  procedure along with raping local women used by imperialist  countries to strip the natives of their culture and make them less hostile to their occupiers,beautiful unique Irish names and words, were randomly assigned english translations that have no bearing on pronounciation or meaning.I bet you think theres a town in Ireland called Londonderry.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info.IKe. Unfortunately, they both are not very good ciders. I wonder if the original Magner&#039;s was better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.IKe. Unfortunately, they both are not very good ciders. I wonder if the original Magner&#8217;s was better?</p>
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		<title>By: Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Magners/Bulmers is a great story, but rather convoluted.

Magners was an Irish cider maker from Clonmel. In 1937 they formed a partnership with Bulmers of Hereford in England, (Bulmers was, and still is the largest cider producer in the world).

In 1949 the partnership was dissolved but Magners retained the right to use the Bulmers name for their cider in Ireland. They were bought by Cantrell &amp; Cochrane who made Irish Bulmers Original cider into a hugely popular brand in the last few years. They cleverly sold it in pint bottles which could be poured into a pint glass full of ice.

The iced cider idea was so popular they thought they could sell it to other countries but they only had the right to call it Bulmers in Ireland. In the rest of the world the English Bulmers owned that name. So they decided to resurrect the old Magners name and introduced it to Australia, America and Britain under that name. It was initially hugely popular and raised the profile of cider as a drink with many new bottled ciders being produced off the back of its sales.

Obviously English Bulmers were not going to take this lying down and produced their own Bulmers Original cider with an almost identical bottle label.

To recap, we now have Bulmers Original cider made in Ireland and sold in Ireland but sold as Magners in the rest of the world and Bulmers Original cider made in England and sold as such to the rest of the world including Northern Ireland.

This leads to the bizarre situation I found myself in last summer where I was in a pub in Donegal selling Bulmers Original (Irish) and then took a 15 min ferry ride across the Foyle to drink in a pub selling Magners Original (the same cider but with a different name) and Bulmers Original (a completely different cider made in England.)

Confused! I was. But it didn&#039;t make much difference as they are both fairly chemically and poor ciders.

Stick to Westons or the smaller producers like Gwatkins or Olivers if you can get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magners/Bulmers is a great story, but rather convoluted.</p>
<p>Magners was an Irish cider maker from Clonmel. In 1937 they formed a partnership with Bulmers of Hereford in England, (Bulmers was, and still is the largest cider producer in the world).</p>
<p>In 1949 the partnership was dissolved but Magners retained the right to use the Bulmers name for their cider in Ireland. They were bought by Cantrell &amp; Cochrane who made Irish Bulmers Original cider into a hugely popular brand in the last few years. They cleverly sold it in pint bottles which could be poured into a pint glass full of ice.</p>
<p>The iced cider idea was so popular they thought they could sell it to other countries but they only had the right to call it Bulmers in Ireland. In the rest of the world the English Bulmers owned that name. So they decided to resurrect the old Magners name and introduced it to Australia, America and Britain under that name. It was initially hugely popular and raised the profile of cider as a drink with many new bottled ciders being produced off the back of its sales.</p>
<p>Obviously English Bulmers were not going to take this lying down and produced their own Bulmers Original cider with an almost identical bottle label.</p>
<p>To recap, we now have Bulmers Original cider made in Ireland and sold in Ireland but sold as Magners in the rest of the world and Bulmers Original cider made in England and sold as such to the rest of the world including Northern Ireland.</p>
<p>This leads to the bizarre situation I found myself in last summer where I was in a pub in Donegal selling Bulmers Original (Irish) and then took a 15 min ferry ride across the Foyle to drink in a pub selling Magners Original (the same cider but with a different name) and Bulmers Original (a completely different cider made in England.)</p>
<p>Confused! I was. But it didn&#8217;t make much difference as they are both fairly chemically and poor ciders.</p>
<p>Stick to Westons or the smaller producers like Gwatkins or Olivers if you can get them.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig, Bulmer&#039;s bought Magner&#039;s a few years ago. But the cider under the name Magner&#039;s is still sold in Ireland and most of the rest of the world. At least that&#039;s what the folks at Magness tell me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig, Bulmer&#8217;s bought Magner&#8217;s a few years ago. But the cider under the name Magner&#8217;s is still sold in Ireland and most of the rest of the world. At least that&#8217;s what the folks at Magness tell me.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I originally found this cider when we visited Ireland.  An FYI for anyone looking for Magners in Ireland.  It&#039;s not called Magners, It&#039;s called Bullmers.  I was told there was an issue with the name Bullmers in the states so they had to rename it to export it.  It does have a slightly different taste but it is very very close.  Both the wife and I love the stuff and searched for months trying to find a distributor in the US.  Finally found one and am greatfull to be able to get a great drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I originally found this cider when we visited Ireland.  An FYI for anyone looking for Magners in Ireland.  It&#8217;s not called Magners, It&#8217;s called Bullmers.  I was told there was an issue with the name Bullmers in the states so they had to rename it to export it.  It does have a slightly different taste but it is very very close.  Both the wife and I love the stuff and searched for months trying to find a distributor in the US.  Finally found one and am greatfull to be able to get a great drink.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info on the name. You&#039;re right on the cider. Wonder what the traditional cider they also make tastes like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info on the name. You&#8217;re right on the cider. Wonder what the traditional cider they also make tastes like?</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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Zythophile Says:
June 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm e
“Sinead” is just the Irish pronunciation of Janet, respelt as if it were an Irish word - quite ordinary, really, just like Magners, which is a triumph of marketing over reality - it looks great, poured into a pint glass with all that ice, buit despite using genuine cider varieties it tastes very ordinary. In the UK it did very well at first thanks to the gimmick effect, but sales are now diving, which is what happens with something that really offers little long-term satisfaction.</description>
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<p>Zythophile Says:<br />
June 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm e<br />
“Sinead” is just the Irish pronunciation of Janet, respelt as if it were an Irish word &#8211; quite ordinary, really, just like Magners, which is a triumph of marketing over reality &#8211; it looks great, poured into a pint glass with all that ice, buit despite using genuine cider varieties it tastes very ordinary. In the UK it did very well at first thanks to the gimmick effect, but sales are now diving, which is what happens with something that really offers little long-term satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s On Tap – The California Beer Newsletter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An interview with a Magners Irish Cider scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s On Tap – The California Beer Newsletter &#187; Blog Archive &#187; An interview with a Magners Irish Cider scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I’m a fan of good cider – and let’s get one thing straight, by “cider”, I mean the alcoholic product, fermented from either apples or pears. No alcohol? It’s just juice and calling that sweetish stuff “cider” desecrates a fine product with a long history. Read the rest of this entry » [...]</description>
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