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	<title>Comments on: Cost of a pint of Pliny: $7.50</title>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t heard anyone mention Pete&#039;s Brass Rail in the comments, but they have Pliny and the server told me a couple of weeks back they were probably going to increase the price due to the higher keg price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t heard anyone mention Pete&#8217;s Brass Rail in the comments, but they have Pliny and the server told me a couple of weeks back they were probably going to increase the price due to the higher keg price.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gives new meaning to the &quot;drink locally&quot; slogan, doesn&#039;t it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gives new meaning to the &#8220;drink locally&#8221; slogan, doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>By: craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the &quot;tank&quot; is not the only place with dirty lines in the bay area....i can think of 4-6 without trying very hard....&quot;happy new years&quot;..china town was a blast last-nite...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the &#8220;tank&#8221; is not the only place with dirty lines in the bay area&#8230;.i can think of 4-6 without trying very hard&#8230;.&#8221;happy new years&#8221;..china town was a blast last-nite&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: easong</title>
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		<dc:creator>easong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the $3.99 bottle of great beer, I recommend our local product Santa Cruz Aleworks IPA (also Pale and Hefe). It&#039;s a no-brainer when the Stone Ruination sitting next to it is $5.99, and the Moylander is $6.99.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the $3.99 bottle of great beer, I recommend our local product Santa Cruz Aleworks IPA (also Pale and Hefe). It&#8217;s a no-brainer when the Stone Ruination sitting next to it is $5.99, and the Moylander is $6.99.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We gotta do something about the Shark Tank. There have been lots of complaints about dirty lines.

Some good news about Tied House San Jose: Peter Licht, long the head brewer at Coast Range (which sadly closed last year) is now head brewer at Tied House in San Jose. That means the beer quality and range and variety&#039;s going to improve radically. He&#039;s already started putting out a new cask ale every Friday,  See you there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We gotta do something about the Shark Tank. There have been lots of complaints about dirty lines.</p>
<p>Some good news about Tied House San Jose: Peter Licht, long the head brewer at Coast Range (which sadly closed last year) is now head brewer at Tied House in San Jose. That means the beer quality and range and variety&#8217;s going to improve radically. He&#8217;s already started putting out a new cask ale every Friday,  See you there.</p>
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		<title>By: William Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a confusing world, isn&#039;t it.  I&#039;ve gotten used to paying quite a bit for Belgians, for example. But I&#039;ve grown increasingly cautious. And if a bottle has turned, is old, I take it back.

American craft beer prices have shot up sharply in the last few months. Damn shame. The 3.99 22 oz. bottle of great beer has almost disappeared. I never buy wine, except, we stock a red and a white for company.  I&#039;d choke and die before I pay $15 for a bottle of wine. Guess that makes me a lowly beer geek. But a happy one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a confusing world, isn&#8217;t it.  I&#8217;ve gotten used to paying quite a bit for Belgians, for example. But I&#8217;ve grown increasingly cautious. And if a bottle has turned, is old, I take it back.</p>
<p>American craft beer prices have shot up sharply in the last few months. Damn shame. The 3.99 22 oz. bottle of great beer has almost disappeared. I never buy wine, except, we stock a red and a white for company.  I&#8217;d choke and die before I pay $15 for a bottle of wine. Guess that makes me a lowly beer geek. But a happy one.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the record, I was not passing any judgment on the 400% markup. If that&#039;s what it takes to cover costs, then it&#039;s by definition not exorbitant. My sense from frequenting these establishments (the pubs and bars, that is - the brewpubs are a whole different economic animal) is that the owners are not making a killing at the expense of the patrons. If they are, they&#039;re by and large hiding it well.

Derrick&#039;s point of price elasticity is interesting, particularly when applied to bottles in stores. I have been struck by how much the prices for 750ml bottles of beer have crept up in recent years. Perusing the shelves of Healthy Spirits or City Beer Store, it seems as though the average price is over $10. I have definitely found myself thinking, &quot;jeez, should I pay the $12 for that beer, or would I be better off with a $12 bottle of Cab?&quot;

Applying the ideas of elasticity and substitution, I am only willing to go so high, in general, for some beer or wine, let&#039;s say $15 unless it&#039;s extra special. If that&#039;s the case, then I may be willing to substitute wine once the beer price starts getting close to that ceiling, given that there is a perceived differential in value because a bottle of wine will yield more glasses than beer will (in general).

There is the issue of what I want, or am in the mood for, but I can certainly have my mood swung by a perceived differential in value that is too great.

The whole dynamic is very interesting. For me personally, I do end up having an internal hierarchy, where the best value is a six pack, such as a $10 Stone IPA, followed by a $10 Cabernet that tastes like a $15 one, then the well priced larger bottles of beer such as Lagunitas&#039; Maximus for $4 or RR Damnation at $7 or Le Merle, then the over $10 bottles of beer and over $13 bottles of wine. Of course, I do on occasion consume at all of these levels, but my economic situation at any moment definitely comes into play.

I happen to live a couple of blocks from the Toronado, so my bar drinking choices are highly influenced by their seemingly somewhat quirky pricing. The vast majority of beer seems to be either $4.50 or $9.50 these days. If Pliny were to be priced $6, it would definitely curtail my Pliny intake (as I almost always make my last one a Pliny), but not eliminate it. If all double IPAs were suddenly $6 while IPAs stayed $4.50, I have no idea what I&#039;d do...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I was not passing any judgment on the 400% markup. If that&#8217;s what it takes to cover costs, then it&#8217;s by definition not exorbitant. My sense from frequenting these establishments (the pubs and bars, that is &#8211; the brewpubs are a whole different economic animal) is that the owners are not making a killing at the expense of the patrons. If they are, they&#8217;re by and large hiding it well.</p>
<p>Derrick&#8217;s point of price elasticity is interesting, particularly when applied to bottles in stores. I have been struck by how much the prices for 750ml bottles of beer have crept up in recent years. Perusing the shelves of Healthy Spirits or City Beer Store, it seems as though the average price is over $10. I have definitely found myself thinking, &#8220;jeez, should I pay the $12 for that beer, or would I be better off with a $12 bottle of Cab?&#8221;</p>
<p>Applying the ideas of elasticity and substitution, I am only willing to go so high, in general, for some beer or wine, let&#8217;s say $15 unless it&#8217;s extra special. If that&#8217;s the case, then I may be willing to substitute wine once the beer price starts getting close to that ceiling, given that there is a perceived differential in value because a bottle of wine will yield more glasses than beer will (in general).</p>
<p>There is the issue of what I want, or am in the mood for, but I can certainly have my mood swung by a perceived differential in value that is too great.</p>
<p>The whole dynamic is very interesting. For me personally, I do end up having an internal hierarchy, where the best value is a six pack, such as a $10 Stone IPA, followed by a $10 Cabernet that tastes like a $15 one, then the well priced larger bottles of beer such as Lagunitas&#8217; Maximus for $4 or RR Damnation at $7 or Le Merle, then the over $10 bottles of beer and over $13 bottles of wine. Of course, I do on occasion consume at all of these levels, but my economic situation at any moment definitely comes into play.</p>
<p>I happen to live a couple of blocks from the Toronado, so my bar drinking choices are highly influenced by their seemingly somewhat quirky pricing. The vast majority of beer seems to be either $4.50 or $9.50 these days. If Pliny were to be priced $6, it would definitely curtail my Pliny intake (as I almost always make my last one a Pliny), but not eliminate it. If all double IPAs were suddenly $6 while IPAs stayed $4.50, I have no idea what I&#8217;d do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: easong</title>
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		<dc:creator>easong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the HP Pavillion in SJ (aka the Shark Tank) you will stand in a long line to pay $8.50 for a 10 oz cup of Sierra Pale dispensed through a dirty hose. And you will thank your god you don&#039;t have to drink from the Tied House hose.

I will be happy to pay $10 for for an imperial pint of Pliny at any drinking establishment in Santa Clara County.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the HP Pavillion in SJ (aka the Shark Tank) you will stand in a long line to pay $8.50 for a 10 oz cup of Sierra Pale dispensed through a dirty hose. And you will thank your god you don&#8217;t have to drink from the Tied House hose.</p>
<p>I will be happy to pay $10 for for an imperial pint of Pliny at any drinking establishment in Santa Clara County.</p>
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		<title>By: Tasty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter if you’re at your local pub, the airport, or the ballpark, you’re going to pay what the market will bear. There’s no elaborate calculation of overhead or multiplying of cost time four or five, it’s just raising the price until there’s a drop in demand or some other indicator it’s starting to hurt. It could be time to start the Bay Area Beerdrinkers Association. There are many more of us than them and we’re the ones with the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter if you’re at your local pub, the airport, or the ballpark, you’re going to pay what the market will bear. There’s no elaborate calculation of overhead or multiplying of cost time four or five, it’s just raising the price until there’s a drop in demand or some other indicator it’s starting to hurt. It could be time to start the Bay Area Beerdrinkers Association. There are many more of us than them and we’re the ones with the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my input about Toronado prices...as I understand it, Dave owns the building and has owned it for a number years. Since so many bar/restaurant owners are just trying to cover rent at current market values, they need to react to the current value of their merchandise. Nothing pushes a bar&#039;s prices up quite like the owner needing to cover this month&#039;s rent payment. If Toronado only needs to cover a mortgage payment (assuming they even still owe on the building, which they may not), they don&#039;t need to raise their prices at every little bump in the road. You really shouldn&#039;t expect Monk&#039;s Kettle and others to offer the same prices as Toronado if they&#039;re pay so much more per month in rent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my input about Toronado prices&#8230;as I understand it, Dave owns the building and has owned it for a number years. Since so many bar/restaurant owners are just trying to cover rent at current market values, they need to react to the current value of their merchandise. Nothing pushes a bar&#8217;s prices up quite like the owner needing to cover this month&#8217;s rent payment. If Toronado only needs to cover a mortgage payment (assuming they even still owe on the building, which they may not), they don&#8217;t need to raise their prices at every little bump in the road. You really shouldn&#8217;t expect Monk&#8217;s Kettle and others to offer the same prices as Toronado if they&#8217;re pay so much more per month in rent.</p>
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