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		<title>By: Skyline Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2007/07/24/shhh-listen-is-that-the-sound-of-optimism/comment-page-1/#comment-23859</link>
		<dc:creator>Skyline Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy Wilson: Who is this Skyline principal who was forced on us? Unless you are going deep into the archives, I assume you are talking about the district&#039;s decision not to retain Mr. Sye after his first year. 

Mr. Sye was not a terrible person, but he was not all that as a principal, I can assure you. Mostly, he seemed paralyzed by the scope of the school&#039;s issues and lack of resources. He presented well at his interview and he could give a &quot;fired up&quot; speech but it was more style than substance.

The current principal rocks, btw, but she is a temp out of retirement, unfortunately. The new selection process is underway.

The key is getting some qualified applicants, that has been the problem in recent years -- no competition for the job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy Wilson: Who is this Skyline principal who was forced on us? Unless you are going deep into the archives, I assume you are talking about the district&#8217;s decision not to retain Mr. Sye after his first year. </p>
<p>Mr. Sye was not a terrible person, but he was not all that as a principal, I can assure you. Mostly, he seemed paralyzed by the scope of the school&#8217;s issues and lack of resources. He presented well at his interview and he could give a &#8220;fired up&#8221; speech but it was more style than substance.</p>
<p>The current principal rocks, btw, but she is a temp out of retirement, unfortunately. The new selection process is underway.</p>
<p>The key is getting some qualified applicants, that has been the problem in recent years &#8212; no competition for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon Danning:  I do agree that students should be canvassed by faculty and administration so that their observation on everything from the food service to security are well known.  I strongly object to any pretense that students have decision making input on important decisions. That difference should be made clear to the students, staff and parents. Students do not run the school and in no way at all are responsible for management or operations.

As far as the thread about the new administrator -

I would be very concerned about the data involving his character and behavior at San Joaquin County.  If this material is substantially true it is a huge red flag for an unsuitable personality to be on the property. Having said that you are not looking for &quot;Nice Guys&quot; when you hire school disciplinarians. You might even want a hypervigilant ACOA type. They are not always fun personalities. They are their to get a job done, not to be anybody&#039;s buddy.

Concerned Parent:  As far as him suspending a student involved in horseplay that sent a fellow student to the hospital - get a grip woman! People (boys) involved in something like that really do need to take 3 days to think about their ways and what changes are required. Or maybe only 2 days. The point is that you have to back the exercise of reasonable discretion of your staff even if you disagree with it and would have made a different decision perhaps if you had that job at that time. Unless no reasonable administrator would have done the 3 day suspension it&#039;s a closed case.

And you should train your kiddie to respect adult authority and not whine every time they are on the losing end of an administrative decision - otherwise they grow up behaving like an indulged brat. And negligence is to be punished - especially when it injures people.  Boys need to learn that even more than girls. I have watched young people get prison terms for DUI crashes. No prior criminal history. What do you think happens to a 20 year old kid in state prison? Other times people lose eyes and hands and we hear the &quot;didn&#039;t MEAN it&quot; BS. You should thank this man for working with your kid and helping him learn a lesson that you aren&#039;t having to teach. That&#039;s what school staff do all day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon Danning:  I do agree that students should be canvassed by faculty and administration so that their observation on everything from the food service to security are well known.  I strongly object to any pretense that students have decision making input on important decisions. That difference should be made clear to the students, staff and parents. Students do not run the school and in no way at all are responsible for management or operations.</p>
<p>As far as the thread about the new administrator -</p>
<p>I would be very concerned about the data involving his character and behavior at San Joaquin County.  If this material is substantially true it is a huge red flag for an unsuitable personality to be on the property. Having said that you are not looking for &#8220;Nice Guys&#8221; when you hire school disciplinarians. You might even want a hypervigilant ACOA type. They are not always fun personalities. They are their to get a job done, not to be anybody&#8217;s buddy.</p>
<p>Concerned Parent:  As far as him suspending a student involved in horseplay that sent a fellow student to the hospital &#8211; get a grip woman! People (boys) involved in something like that really do need to take 3 days to think about their ways and what changes are required. Or maybe only 2 days. The point is that you have to back the exercise of reasonable discretion of your staff even if you disagree with it and would have made a different decision perhaps if you had that job at that time. Unless no reasonable administrator would have done the 3 day suspension it&#8217;s a closed case.</p>
<p>And you should train your kiddie to respect adult authority and not whine every time they are on the losing end of an administrative decision &#8211; otherwise they grow up behaving like an indulged brat. And negligence is to be punished &#8211; especially when it injures people.  Boys need to learn that even more than girls. I have watched young people get prison terms for DUI crashes. No prior criminal history. What do you think happens to a 20 year old kid in state prison? Other times people lose eyes and hands and we hear the &#8220;didn&#8217;t MEAN it&#8221; BS. You should thank this man for working with your kid and helping him learn a lesson that you aren&#8217;t having to teach. That&#8217;s what school staff do all day.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Small Town Kid:

I certainly did not mean to say that students should be the ones to make the decision.  Heck, they haven&#039;t even consulted teachers.  But any security measure involves some diminution in personal liberty, and that needs to be balanced against the benefits to be derived from that new measure.  The District really should get student input, because they might learn a thing or two.  For example, two of my female students spontaneously responded to the fact that someone downtown will be monitoring school hallways as &quot;creepy.&quot;  Unfortunately, the District has a long history of implementing decisions without consulting those directly affected, and as a result money and resources are often used suboptimally.  You should see the graffiti magnet that the district created when they did reconstruction at my site last year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small Town Kid:</p>
<p>I certainly did not mean to say that students should be the ones to make the decision.  Heck, they haven&#8217;t even consulted teachers.  But any security measure involves some diminution in personal liberty, and that needs to be balanced against the benefits to be derived from that new measure.  The District really should get student input, because they might learn a thing or two.  For example, two of my female students spontaneously responded to the fact that someone downtown will be monitoring school hallways as &#8220;creepy.&#8221;  Unfortunately, the District has a long history of implementing decisions without consulting those directly affected, and as a result money and resources are often used suboptimally.  You should see the graffiti magnet that the district created when they did reconstruction at my site last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Town Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Town Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon Danning:

I misspoke about this topic. Earlier I said, &quot;students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school.&quot; Of course, they have opinions - thinking about and discussing issues is part of learning to become an adult.

I meant to say that students are not qualified to make the decision on whether to have security cameras or not. That&#039;s up to the administration and school board.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon Danning:</p>
<p>I misspoke about this topic. Earlier I said, &#8220;students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school.&#8221; Of course, they have opinions &#8211; thinking about and discussing issues is part of learning to become an adult.</p>
<p>I meant to say that students are not qualified to make the decision on whether to have security cameras or not. That&#8217;s up to the administration and school board.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Town Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Town Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon:

Nextset is right on this – students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school. This is something that needs to be dealt with at the schoolboard/administration/faculty/adult level.

There are definitely other school districts that use them…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon:</p>
<p>Nextset is right on this – students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school. This is something that needs to be dealt with at the schoolboard/administration/faculty/adult level.</p>
<p>There are definitely other school districts that use them…</p>
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		<title>By: Small Town Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Town Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon:

Nextset is right on this - students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school. This is something that needs to be dealt with at the schoolboard/administration/faculty/adult level.

There are definitely other school districts that use them...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon:</p>
<p>Nextset is right on this &#8211; students are absolutely not qualified to have an opinion on security cameras in school. This is something that needs to be dealt with at the schoolboard/administration/faculty/adult level.</p>
<p>There are definitely other school districts that use them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[March 20, 2008

Three former Christa McAuliffe Middle School teachers have filed a lawsuit against the school&#039;s former principal, Russom Mesfun, and Lodi Unified School District.

In the lawsuit, Tracey Singh, Sharon Verle and Kevin Duncan, all white and older than 40, accuse Mesfun, who is black, of &quot;creating an atmosphere in which older employees, white employees, female employees and disabled employees&quot; were discriminated and retaliated against and received unequal treatment.

The suit, filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court on Feb. 27 by San Francisco attorney Stephen Jaffe, says Mesfun favored minority and young, female employees. The teachers are seeking more than $25,000 each for damages and attorney&#039;s fees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>March 20, 2008</p>
<p>Three former Christa McAuliffe Middle School teachers have filed a lawsuit against the school&#8217;s former principal, Russom Mesfun, and Lodi Unified School District.</p>
<p>In the lawsuit, Tracey Singh, Sharon Verle and Kevin Duncan, all white and older than 40, accuse Mesfun, who is black, of &#8220;creating an atmosphere in which older employees, white employees, female employees and disabled employees&#8221; were discriminated and retaliated against and received unequal treatment.</p>
<p>The suit, filed in San Joaquin County Superior Court on Feb. 27 by San Francisco attorney Stephen Jaffe, says Mesfun favored minority and young, female employees. The teachers are seeking more than $25,000 each for damages and attorney&#8217;s fees.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will be meeting with the new principal soon and will ask the hard questions for my son&#039;s sake.
I believe that being hard on the kids at the middle school level is a MUST. I will not complain if the man
is just asking for excellent results and respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be meeting with the new principal soon and will ask the hard questions for my son&#8217;s sake.<br />
I believe that being hard on the kids at the middle school level is a MUST. I will not complain if the man<br />
is just asking for excellent results and respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Concerned Parent: I agree with the decision to suspend your son. The child who needed to be taken to the hospital should have been suspended as well. As one of the parents who attended the meetings to hire principals at both Joaquin Miller and Montera, student safety, and reduction of rough-housing which was intimidating other students was one of the items we wanted the new principal to handle. Mr. Mesfun has handled the issue. Parents of students and the students themselves are not used to be accountable for their behavior. They should have been all along.

The type of rough-housing displayed by your son and his friend are not appropriate for school hallways. I hope he used his suspension time to study.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned Parent: I agree with the decision to suspend your son. The child who needed to be taken to the hospital should have been suspended as well. As one of the parents who attended the meetings to hire principals at both Joaquin Miller and Montera, student safety, and reduction of rough-housing which was intimidating other students was one of the items we wanted the new principal to handle. Mr. Mesfun has handled the issue. Parents of students and the students themselves are not used to be accountable for their behavior. They should have been all along.</p>
<p>The type of rough-housing displayed by your son and his friend are not appropriate for school hallways. I hope he used his suspension time to study.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We were initially impressed by Mr.  Mesfun and fully believed he was a man of conviction and dedication.
However, based on a recent action, we have our doubts.  Our son was suspended for three
days for  “…playing with a friend, twirling his body around.  His friend hit a pole very hard and had to
be taken to the hospital.”

Both students admitted it was an accident.  Mr. Mesfun and the VP in charge said the same.  Yet, our son was
suspended.

Montera is a school that needs someone with the drive of Mr. Mesfun,  but also someone who does not have the morals to achieve the &quot;ends by any means.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were initially impressed by Mr.  Mesfun and fully believed he was a man of conviction and dedication.<br />
However, based on a recent action, we have our doubts.  Our son was suspended for three<br />
days for  “…playing with a friend, twirling his body around.  His friend hit a pole very hard and had to<br />
be taken to the hospital.”</p>
<p>Both students admitted it was an accident.  Mr. Mesfun and the VP in charge said the same.  Yet, our son was<br />
suspended.</p>
<p>Montera is a school that needs someone with the drive of Mr. Mesfun,  but also someone who does not have the morals to achieve the &#8220;ends by any means.&#8221;</p>
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