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	<title>Comments on: Report: Math and reading pushing out other subjects</title>
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		<title>By: Debora Rinehart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora Rinehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not understand the new focus. Perhaps it is because I have one child who just finished the first grade. She is reading above grade level. She is also doing math above grade level. Did she just have an exceptionally outstanding teacher who was able to incorporate geography and social studies using bread from around the world - where each child in the class brought in bread from a country that was significant to them? Children in her class located the country on the map, helped classmates work on a flag from the country, talked about its customs and what made it different from other countries.

Science was taught growing vegetables in the class planters - using estimation, observation, and documentation of details. Talking about what grows above, on and below the ground, then making soup and salad from the vegetables grown or brought from home. Learning about reptiles and going to visit the Vivarium in Berkeley - using a clipboard documenting the eating, sleeping and movement patterns of animals was the highlight of life science for my daughter.

Learning to write in Chinese - now that&#039;s a skill - both fun and educational, that taught my letter and sound loving daughter that not all languages are about grouping letters to make words, but using  symbols for words as a whole.

Was this able to be done in one school year because there is an exceptional teacher or was it done because in first grade there are no standardized tests? I&#039;m not sure. I do know that good teachers are teaching far beyond what may be reported at the school. I am looking forward to this coming school year - second grade - the first year of testing. Let&#039;s see what standardized testing brings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not understand the new focus. Perhaps it is because I have one child who just finished the first grade. She is reading above grade level. She is also doing math above grade level. Did she just have an exceptionally outstanding teacher who was able to incorporate geography and social studies using bread from around the world &#8211; where each child in the class brought in bread from a country that was significant to them? Children in her class located the country on the map, helped classmates work on a flag from the country, talked about its customs and what made it different from other countries.</p>
<p>Science was taught growing vegetables in the class planters &#8211; using estimation, observation, and documentation of details. Talking about what grows above, on and below the ground, then making soup and salad from the vegetables grown or brought from home. Learning about reptiles and going to visit the Vivarium in Berkeley &#8211; using a clipboard documenting the eating, sleeping and movement patterns of animals was the highlight of life science for my daughter.</p>
<p>Learning to write in Chinese &#8211; now that&#8217;s a skill &#8211; both fun and educational, that taught my letter and sound loving daughter that not all languages are about grouping letters to make words, but using  symbols for words as a whole.</p>
<p>Was this able to be done in one school year because there is an exceptional teacher or was it done because in first grade there are no standardized tests? I&#8217;m not sure. I do know that good teachers are teaching far beyond what may be reported at the school. I am looking forward to this coming school year &#8211; second grade &#8211; the first year of testing. Let&#8217;s see what standardized testing brings.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is true that the emphasis on math and reading has put pressure on schools to reduce other course offerings.  The middle school I work at has lost all elective offerings (music, art, and foreign languages).  The District has also encouraged us to reduce history and science for many of our students, a trend we have so far resisted.  However, the suggestion that the way to remedy this situation is to have standardized tests in more subjects has its own pitfalls.  There is now a CST History exam given in the eighth grade.  It is a ridiculous test that focuses on small details rather than basic understanding.  The Science test is similar.  The cure for our current over-emphasis on testing is not to do even more tests.
Ironically, my experience has been that increasing the number of hours of math instruction is not a very successful way to improve math scores.  We have had better luck at my school by reducing the number of students in classes with students behind in math, but that costs money, and replacing an existing class with an extra math class does not.  Of course, both these strategies are difficult to implement when there is a tremendous shortage of math teachers throughout the state of California, made worse by unnecessarily stringent requirements to teach middle school math.  We would be much better off if teachers with multi-subject credentials, who are allowed to teach math as part of a self-contained classroom in grades up to eighth grade, were also allowed to teach math in a departmentalized school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that the emphasis on math and reading has put pressure on schools to reduce other course offerings.  The middle school I work at has lost all elective offerings (music, art, and foreign languages).  The District has also encouraged us to reduce history and science for many of our students, a trend we have so far resisted.  However, the suggestion that the way to remedy this situation is to have standardized tests in more subjects has its own pitfalls.  There is now a CST History exam given in the eighth grade.  It is a ridiculous test that focuses on small details rather than basic understanding.  The Science test is similar.  The cure for our current over-emphasis on testing is not to do even more tests.<br />
Ironically, my experience has been that increasing the number of hours of math instruction is not a very successful way to improve math scores.  We have had better luck at my school by reducing the number of students in classes with students behind in math, but that costs money, and replacing an existing class with an extra math class does not.  Of course, both these strategies are difficult to implement when there is a tremendous shortage of math teachers throughout the state of California, made worse by unnecessarily stringent requirements to teach middle school math.  We would be much better off if teachers with multi-subject credentials, who are allowed to teach math as part of a self-contained classroom in grades up to eighth grade, were also allowed to teach math in a departmentalized school.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora Rinehart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora Rinehart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading and math are important, make no bones about it. But math without science provides few real-life examples of the importance or application of mathematics. We were fortunate enough to have a teacher last year who taught math and science growing a garden - estimating and measuring the daily growth. Allowing kids to compare their measurements to validate the conclusions, seeing growth from a day to day perspective, and then measuring the results as they measured and mixed ingredients to make soup gives practical, fun examples of WHY the lesson needs to be learned.

Reading about countries around the world, then bringing in bread (every country has a version of bread) from those countries combines reading and social studies, contrast and comparison. Art and music from the countries that were read about as well as the use of language can all be taught while teaching reading.

Good teachers find a way to include the life lessons. Testing teachers do not. We are fortunate that our family has had the benefit of very good teachers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading and math are important, make no bones about it. But math without science provides few real-life examples of the importance or application of mathematics. We were fortunate enough to have a teacher last year who taught math and science growing a garden &#8211; estimating and measuring the daily growth. Allowing kids to compare their measurements to validate the conclusions, seeing growth from a day to day perspective, and then measuring the results as they measured and mixed ingredients to make soup gives practical, fun examples of WHY the lesson needs to be learned.</p>
<p>Reading about countries around the world, then bringing in bread (every country has a version of bread) from those countries combines reading and social studies, contrast and comparison. Art and music from the countries that were read about as well as the use of language can all be taught while teaching reading.</p>
<p>Good teachers find a way to include the life lessons. Testing teachers do not. We are fortunate that our family has had the benefit of very good teachers.</p>
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