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		<title>By: A pay cut for Oakland teachers? - The Education Report - Reporter Katy Murphy&#8217;s blog on Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>A pay cut for Oakland teachers? - The Education Report - Reporter Katy Murphy&#8217;s blog on Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 05:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] think that in January 2008, the Oakland teacher union&#8217;s first contract proposal included 20 percent pay raises and class sizes of 15 to 20 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think that in January 2008, the Oakland teacher union&#8217;s first contract proposal included 20 percent pay raises and class sizes of 15 to 20 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Which will it be, pay cuts or raises? - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>Which will it be, pay cuts or raises? - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a far cry from the 20 percent raises proposed by the teacher&#8217;s union. Here&#8217;s an excerpt from bargaining update sent out to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a far cry from the 20 percent raises proposed by the teacher&#8217;s union. Here&#8217;s an excerpt from bargaining update sent out to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland teacher&#8217;s union joins AFL-CFO - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2008/01/17/let-the-negotiations-begin/comment-page-1/#comment-15825</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland teacher&#8217;s union joins AFL-CFO - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] tells me the shift will create more leverage for teachers and other employees in upcoming contract negotiations, and that the various groups of workers will now &#8221;speak with one [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tells me the shift will create more leverage for teachers and other employees in upcoming contract negotiations, and that the various groups of workers will now &#8221;speak with one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TIME looks at merit pay, and its history - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>TIME looks at merit pay, and its history - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] story, &#8220;How to Make Great Teachers,&#8221; explores the issues of academic freedom (see: union proposal) and bonus pay. Although merit pay may be a buzz word in education reform, it&#8217;s not a new [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] story, &#8220;How to Make Great Teachers,&#8221; explores the issues of academic freedom (see: union proposal) and bonus pay. Although merit pay may be a buzz word in education reform, it&#8217;s not a new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On the agenda: Sunshine - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the agenda: Sunshine - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Let the negotiations begin! [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TODAY’S HEADLINES: &quot;EU Economy Chief Blames huge US debt for plunging shares on world exchanges, Bush and Congress discuss stimulus plan; Feds cut key interest rate.  Yahoo cuts jobs. World markets plunge.&quot;

Meanwhile in the ‘OEA Land of Oz’ IT&#039;S TIME FOR: “A 20 percent increase in the salary schedule. More teachers. Only 15 students per teacher in the district’s lowest-scoring schools. Classes of 20 everywhere else. ETC.”  All this in a school district still under state receivership, and in a state with other school district&#039;s (not under receivership) facing financial hard times in the face of a mega state funding crisis.

The over heard OEA herd chant: “THE MONEY’S THERE!”

Go OEA! Go Raiders!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TODAY’S HEADLINES: &#8220;EU Economy Chief Blames huge US debt for plunging shares on world exchanges, Bush and Congress discuss stimulus plan; Feds cut key interest rate.  Yahoo cuts jobs. World markets plunge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile in the ‘OEA Land of Oz’ IT&#8217;S TIME FOR: “A 20 percent increase in the salary schedule. More teachers. Only 15 students per teacher in the district’s lowest-scoring schools. Classes of 20 everywhere else. ETC.”  All this in a school district still under state receivership, and in a state with other school district&#8217;s (not under receivership) facing financial hard times in the face of a mega state funding crisis.</p>
<p>The over heard OEA herd chant: “THE MONEY’S THERE!”</p>
<p>Go OEA! Go Raiders!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe Sandra makes some good points, especially with regard to teachers who are UP THERE on the salary scale.  There&#039;s not that much financially gained for an experienced teacher to transfer to a site administrative position with longer work hours and calendar work year.

Because site administrators &quot;serve at the pleasure of the superintendent,&quot; they can get the boot, even when they&#039;re doing a good job. For example, the Chinese-American principal I worked under was competent, on task, and achieving positive results (in school discipline and academic achievement) at a very tough school.  She often wouldn&#039;t go home until 9:30pm or later.  However, the African American community wanted an Afro-American principal and put pressure on the superintendent to have the Chinese-American principal replaced by an Afro-American principal.  The superintendent acquiesced and, as it turned out, made a change that was terrible and contributed to the closure of the school.

It was not pleasurable feel pressure from the Afro-American community causing the superintendent to make a politically expedient decision that offered him, and probably the board member representing that school area, immediate short term benefit.

It is certainly true that &quot;serving (holding an administrative position) at the pleasure of the superintendent&quot; can have an unpleasureable down side. A teacher enjoys considerably more ‘superintendent displeasure’ protection than a site administrator.

Unfortunately, many in OEA&#039;s Land of Oz like to vilify site administrators simply because they&#039;re site administrators who are sometimes misrepresented as financial fat cats with cushy jobs. It&#039;s the bread and butter of teacher unions to be divisive – sometimes even when it’s not warranted.

I would encourage teachers to acquire and read a copy of the United Administrators of Oakland contract.  I doubt most teachers would want to trade their job protections for those of a site administrator.  Check out and compare the Assistant Principal and Principal Salary scales while you&#039;re at it (&amp; factor in the longer work day &amp; calendar year to their salary compensation).  You might also want to compare CA Ed code protections for teachers VS the absence of same for administrators.

I&#039;ve certainly known more than several site administrators who were grossly ineffective and derelict in their duties.  However, because they were liked by, and &quot;serve at the pleasure of the superintendent,&quot; or one of his/her subordinate department heads, their job remained secure.  Such relationships can make life hell for competent teachers and contribute to the closure of good schools when bad ‘administrators aren’t left behind’ because they pleasure those in higher places.

When ones sole (or primary) means of job security is pleasuring a superintendent the consequences can cut both ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Sandra makes some good points, especially with regard to teachers who are UP THERE on the salary scale.  There&#8217;s not that much financially gained for an experienced teacher to transfer to a site administrative position with longer work hours and calendar work year.</p>
<p>Because site administrators &#8220;serve at the pleasure of the superintendent,&#8221; they can get the boot, even when they&#8217;re doing a good job. For example, the Chinese-American principal I worked under was competent, on task, and achieving positive results (in school discipline and academic achievement) at a very tough school.  She often wouldn&#8217;t go home until 9:30pm or later.  However, the African American community wanted an Afro-American principal and put pressure on the superintendent to have the Chinese-American principal replaced by an Afro-American principal.  The superintendent acquiesced and, as it turned out, made a change that was terrible and contributed to the closure of the school.</p>
<p>It was not pleasurable feel pressure from the Afro-American community causing the superintendent to make a politically expedient decision that offered him, and probably the board member representing that school area, immediate short term benefit.</p>
<p>It is certainly true that &#8220;serving (holding an administrative position) at the pleasure of the superintendent&#8221; can have an unpleasureable down side. A teacher enjoys considerably more ‘superintendent displeasure’ protection than a site administrator.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, many in OEA&#8217;s Land of Oz like to vilify site administrators simply because they&#8217;re site administrators who are sometimes misrepresented as financial fat cats with cushy jobs. It&#8217;s the bread and butter of teacher unions to be divisive – sometimes even when it’s not warranted.</p>
<p>I would encourage teachers to acquire and read a copy of the United Administrators of Oakland contract.  I doubt most teachers would want to trade their job protections for those of a site administrator.  Check out and compare the Assistant Principal and Principal Salary scales while you&#8217;re at it (&amp; factor in the longer work day &amp; calendar year to their salary compensation).  You might also want to compare CA Ed code protections for teachers VS the absence of same for administrators.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve certainly known more than several site administrators who were grossly ineffective and derelict in their duties.  However, because they were liked by, and &#8220;serve at the pleasure of the superintendent,&#8221; or one of his/her subordinate department heads, their job remained secure.  Such relationships can make life hell for competent teachers and contribute to the closure of good schools when bad ‘administrators aren’t left behind’ because they pleasure those in higher places.</p>
<p>When ones sole (or primary) means of job security is pleasuring a superintendent the consequences can cut both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Pat Hudson, I think it&#039;s a little to early to suggest a teacher raise, or any raise for this matter, when OUSD is in state control. I would understand that the image the OUSD would want to show is that mistakes have been processed, and more feverent accountability would be practice once local oversight is returned;however, to demonstrate an increase in spending when the budget hasn&#039;t been adjusted is bad press and a bad indication to the state.
I believe in attracting new teachers and accomodating them in Oakland, and increase city and OUSD communication on improving conditions for them to stay in Oakland. Of course there must be a huge sway in managing the fiscal year, cutting certain programs to make up for other expenditures.  Perhaps the class ratio could be an issue worth discussing, but I think cutting down on some salaries across the board would be a necessity.
In short, if the teacher union wants a salary, I would say wait on the demonstrations, lobby the state top return local oversight, and then encourage the district with student input have a complete overhaul on OUSD spending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pat Hudson, I think it&#8217;s a little to early to suggest a teacher raise, or any raise for this matter, when OUSD is in state control. I would understand that the image the OUSD would want to show is that mistakes have been processed, and more feverent accountability would be practice once local oversight is returned;however, to demonstrate an increase in spending when the budget hasn&#8217;t been adjusted is bad press and a bad indication to the state.<br />
I believe in attracting new teachers and accomodating them in Oakland, and increase city and OUSD communication on improving conditions for them to stay in Oakland. Of course there must be a huge sway in managing the fiscal year, cutting certain programs to make up for other expenditures.  Perhaps the class ratio could be an issue worth discussing, but I think cutting down on some salaries across the board would be a necessity.<br />
In short, if the teacher union wants a salary, I would say wait on the demonstrations, lobby the state top return local oversight, and then encourage the district with student input have a complete overhaul on OUSD spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Hudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see, it is around 2000 or so. The State gives school districts around 10% to make up for under funding during the 90s recession. So Oakland gives its teachers a 20+% raise. By 2002, the Oakland school District is sinking like a rock and needs a $100 million loan from the State to stay open. So who is going bail out Oakland this time when the raises do not match revenues?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, it is around 2000 or so. The State gives school districts around 10% to make up for under funding during the 90s recession. So Oakland gives its teachers a 20+% raise. By 2002, the Oakland school District is sinking like a rock and needs a $100 million loan from the State to stay open. So who is going bail out Oakland this time when the raises do not match revenues?</p>
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		<title>By: sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just so you know....yes, the first set you mentioned are paid big bucks!!! Their secretaries have assistants and clerks. School Site Administrators no. They get more or less what the teachers get. Most AP&#039;s and beginning principals get less than the teachers for example. They are supposed to work 7.5 hours (teachers work 6 hours for the same amount), actually they (administrators) work more like 10.5 hours daily including Saturdays. They work as subs, nurses, coaches, supervisors, accountability TSA&#039;s, meeting facilitators, teachers, and everything else that needs to be done. Lately, I can say without question, there is more paperwork than before. It just happens to be on the computer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so you know&#8230;.yes, the first set you mentioned are paid big bucks!!! Their secretaries have assistants and clerks. School Site Administrators no. They get more or less what the teachers get. Most AP&#8217;s and beginning principals get less than the teachers for example. They are supposed to work 7.5 hours (teachers work 6 hours for the same amount), actually they (administrators) work more like 10.5 hours daily including Saturdays. They work as subs, nurses, coaches, supervisors, accountability TSA&#8217;s, meeting facilitators, teachers, and everything else that needs to be done. Lately, I can say without question, there is more paperwork than before. It just happens to be on the computer.</p>
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