If you really want to see how ineffective women are at raising and training young males take a good look at the fatherless boys in the inner city. For grins and giggles, talk to anyone who works in the justice system about what I will politely refer to as the “urine test” for violence – in other words, the most violent males are the ones who urinate sitting because they have been raised in an environment totally bereft of male role models. One of my acquaintances is the male RN at a facility for juvenile delinquents where the staff are deliberately kept in ignorance of the offenses their charges have committed – allegedly to prevent biased behavior on the part of said staff. The staff, being disinclined to being folded, spindled, or mutilated, derived this simple bathroom test to assess the violence potential of new arrivals. It works.

Authoritarian schools environments are critical in many instances – all the more so when you are dealing with large numbers of hormonal adolescents into physicality. A family may want to go another route. More power to them. Homeschooling intrigues me. One of my newest law associates was homeschooled until he started college. His family made the choice to have nothing to do with the public primary and secondary schools. He is the first person I’ve actually met who grew up this way.

The bottom line is how all people intend to feed and clothe themselves in this Brave New World. If the US economy tanks like it did in the late 1920s, primary and secondary education will be seen in a new light.

Too many people I see every day learned too little in their primary and secondary schooling. The level of education in the service workers (for example) I see is dangerously low. It doesn’t take much for the working class (much less the underclass) to fall into real trouble – how do they even manage their health and dental issues, much less legal, financial and consumer issues?

Sue: Your humor warms my heart. Please continue. By the way, what do you do for a living?

There is nothing facist about the Rouge Elephant Syndrome. It’s a fact of life. If you don’t want more black male “rouge elephants” you have better get some males in to socialize these kids. – Before they wind up dead or in prison.

That silly facist namecalling is typical of leftist (usually white) liberals who are just as totalitarian as Stalin once they get any power at all.

We’ve tried it your way – and since 1960 all the US has obtained is a massive flood of proletariat blacks into the prison industrial complex. This what your “pretty please” methods of schools have done – and remember, I attribute to the schools as much or more influence over adolescent development as the bio-parents. If the public schools were run my way the kids would wear better as self supporting and honest adults.

Nextset: Are you a fascist? Seriously. I’m not saying a Nazi, but are you supportive of an authoritarian crackdown in all realms of society? Or do you just keep these beliefs in the magic of authoritarian alpha males in regard to schools?

The only racism I’m worried about is that which keeps black children from being forced to come to heel because the authority figure is afraid of them or indifferent to the need to discipline them. The toughest teachers I knew were tougher on the black students – so it seemed – because they made it a priority to get them into line and producing beyond anything the kids ever thought they could do. They were lovingly called “slave drivers”. Some of them came from a long line of slave drivers. Some of them were even decended from the house slaves – or so they said. (some were white also)

And I knew many of these people, male and female, secondary, college and professional school teachers. They’re all dead now. They weren’t politically correct either. All of them had this little habit of placing their best students at the next level – phone calls were made, applications were filled out, introductions were made. Some of these people are why I did University Law School and why I’m in the profession I am. And I can remember every sharp look and sharp question – and the tough grading too. And these people were public school teachers…

My High School was male dominated, male principal, dean, 50% of teachers etc. The discipline was relatively severe. People would be suspended for PDA not to mention truancy. Deportment was job one, academics and testing was job 2, then football, etc.

I would require the public schools to eradicate thug behavior in the normal schools directly – especially the black thugs. Talent comes in many colors. If the schools get control of the students early I believe many to most students can be directed the way the school wants. That is, if the school even is trying to get control of them (ours don’t).

If they need a gang to join, give them one. If they need a gangleader to follow, give them one. They used to be called “Coach”. They came in various styles, boxing, baseball, basketball, football. I’d like to add “shop foreman” to that and various other titles including just plain “Boss”.

One thing I know – you cannot use most females to socialize hormonal, physicality inclined concrete-thinking males. You need an Alpha Male not a Woman. Unless you have a seriously Alpha Woman (Modesty Blaise?) which are hard to find but out there. Alpha Males are usefull in socializing girls also. Public Schools are typically devoid of Alpha Males – which is why the places are such disasters.

Authoritarianism has always worked in keeping secondary schools clean and decent. The students can find their inner spoiled brat later when they have their own financing.

There are no problems in the public schools that won’t be solved when we completely get rid of the feminization of these places.