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		<title>By: Aaron Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a young parent looking at buying a house this year. Looking at each neighborhood&#039;s school has been a recent obsession - which is why I ended up at this blog. This is all good stuff.

About, this worry amongst the Hill School parents that their hill schools will erode. I attended Montera and Skyline when I was a kid (80&#039;s), and everyone was up in arms about &quot;bussing&quot; back then and how the quality of education was worse each year. With the perspective of decades watching this school system it is clear that these arguments are nonsense. If the Hill Schools really were under siege all these years, there would be no difference between them and the schools in the flats after all these years. The truth is that folks in the hills feel like they are under siege. Its an us versus them mentality. Trust me. I knew. I grew up here. My parents grew up here, as did their parents and grandparents. Its the same story from each generation. I remember my grandma telling me about how Redwood Heights was not what it used to be. HAH! Its presently one of the top rated schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a young parent looking at buying a house this year. Looking at each neighborhood&#8217;s school has been a recent obsession &#8211; which is why I ended up at this blog. This is all good stuff.</p>
<p>About, this worry amongst the Hill School parents that their hill schools will erode. I attended Montera and Skyline when I was a kid (80&#8242;s), and everyone was up in arms about &#8220;bussing&#8221; back then and how the quality of education was worse each year. With the perspective of decades watching this school system it is clear that these arguments are nonsense. If the Hill Schools really were under siege all these years, there would be no difference between them and the schools in the flats after all these years. The truth is that folks in the hills feel like they are under siege. Its an us versus them mentality. Trust me. I knew. I grew up here. My parents grew up here, as did their parents and grandparents. Its the same story from each generation. I remember my grandma telling me about how Redwood Heights was not what it used to be. HAH! Its presently one of the top rated schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Hills crowding debate: 20 months and counting - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hills crowding debate: 20 months and counting - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A number of parents at other &#8220;hills schools,&#8221; who live across the city from where their kids go to school, came to the meeting to voice support for Oakland&#8217;s Options policy. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A number of parents at other &#8220;hills schools,&#8221; who live across the city from where their kids go to school, came to the meeting to voice support for Oakland&#8217;s Options policy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Do Tell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do Tell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Happy OUSD - Would love to hear which school you picked, you sound like the kind of parent whose kids I&#039;d like to be around my kid. I&#039;ve been reading this discussion with interest as we are sending my son to K next Sept. and I hear we&#039;d better get ready now. Please share.
As for Nextset - the internet is full of kooks - I don&#039;t see him/her mention actually being a parent with a kid in the OUSD. So private school or not, I doubt our kids will be going to school with his/her kid anytime soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Happy OUSD &#8211; Would love to hear which school you picked, you sound like the kind of parent whose kids I&#8217;d like to be around my kid. I&#8217;ve been reading this discussion with interest as we are sending my son to K next Sept. and I hear we&#8217;d better get ready now. Please share.<br />
As for Nextset &#8211; the internet is full of kooks &#8211; I don&#8217;t see him/her mention actually being a parent with a kid in the OUSD. So private school or not, I doubt our kids will be going to school with his/her kid anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy OUSD parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happy OUSD parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of these comments are exactly why we decided not to send our children to our neighborhood &#039;hills&#039; school, and instead opted, via the Options program, to send them to a school &#039;down the hill&#039; with &#039;lower quality&#039; kids and families. I did a lot of research and visited many schools. I found the parents at the &#039;hills&#039; schools, including the one we live within the boundaries of, elitist and overly focused on test scores. We were thrilled to be assigned to a richly diverse, vibrantly evolving OUSD elementary school, and I&#039;m equally thrilled with the new admission policy which will assure my younger child a spot at our chosen school even though we live outside it&#039;s boundaries.

There ARE exclusive schools with competitive admissions policies for parents like Nextset to send their children to. They&#039;re called Private Schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these comments are exactly why we decided not to send our children to our neighborhood &#8216;hills&#8217; school, and instead opted, via the Options program, to send them to a school &#8216;down the hill&#8217; with &#8216;lower quality&#8217; kids and families. I did a lot of research and visited many schools. I found the parents at the &#8216;hills&#8217; schools, including the one we live within the boundaries of, elitist and overly focused on test scores. We were thrilled to be assigned to a richly diverse, vibrantly evolving OUSD elementary school, and I&#8217;m equally thrilled with the new admission policy which will assure my younger child a spot at our chosen school even though we live outside it&#8217;s boundaries.</p>
<p>There ARE exclusive schools with competitive admissions policies for parents like Nextset to send their children to. They&#8217;re called Private Schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Katy.  We are finally in Oakland, trying to buy a home in Redwood Heights.  I appreciate the update, and it sounds like the megaboundary issue is not what i feared it was- open dibs for everyone, all at once.

Thank you!

Emily]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Katy.  We are finally in Oakland, trying to buy a home in Redwood Heights.  I appreciate the update, and it sounds like the megaboundary issue is not what i feared it was- open dibs for everyone, all at once.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
<p>Emily</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey there, Emily. Have you moved yet? Board business takes a break in July, so nothing, to my knowledge, has happened since then.

I believe the enrollment committee begins meeting again in August or September. No dates are posted yet, but here&#039;s a link to the board calendar: http://bex.ousd.k12.ca.us/CALENDAR.htm

In case you didn&#039;t see the explanation I posted last month on the topic of megaboundaries, here it is again:

&quot;The board also approved middle school-area “megaboundaries” Wednesday night. These boundaries correspond with middle school attendance areas, but they only come into play for elementary school enrollment.

Nothing has changed at the middle school level, and no elementary school attendance boundaries have been moved — yet.

Megaboundaries apply to children who don’t get into their neighborhood school because of overcrowding. Before, there was no clear policy on what would happen to kids redirected from their home schools, such as Hillcrest.

Now, for example, a neighborhood kid who doesn’t get into Hillcrest will have an admissions advantage at any elementary school that feeds into Claremont Middle School (Hillcrest’s megaboundary). That child will have be third in line, so to speak, at Chabot, Peralta, or other elementary schools within that megaboundary, after the siblings and neighborhood kids of those schools are admitted.

1) siblings of current students
2) neighborhood kids with no siblings at the school
3) kids who didn’t get into their neighborhood school, who live within the megaboundary
4) kids who attend Program Improvement schools
5) open lottery

Make sense?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, Emily. Have you moved yet? Board business takes a break in July, so nothing, to my knowledge, has happened since then.</p>
<p>I believe the enrollment committee begins meeting again in August or September. No dates are posted yet, but here&#8217;s a link to the board calendar: <a href="http://bex.ousd.k12.ca.us/CALENDAR.htm" rel="nofollow">http://bex.ousd.k12.ca.us/CALENDAR.htm</a></p>
<p>In case you didn&#8217;t see the explanation I posted last month on the topic of megaboundaries, here it is again:</p>
<p>&#8220;The board also approved middle school-area “megaboundaries” Wednesday night. These boundaries correspond with middle school attendance areas, but they only come into play for elementary school enrollment.</p>
<p>Nothing has changed at the middle school level, and no elementary school attendance boundaries have been moved — yet.</p>
<p>Megaboundaries apply to children who don’t get into their neighborhood school because of overcrowding. Before, there was no clear policy on what would happen to kids redirected from their home schools, such as Hillcrest.</p>
<p>Now, for example, a neighborhood kid who doesn’t get into Hillcrest will have an admissions advantage at any elementary school that feeds into Claremont Middle School (Hillcrest’s megaboundary). That child will have be third in line, so to speak, at Chabot, Peralta, or other elementary schools within that megaboundary, after the siblings and neighborhood kids of those schools are admitted.</p>
<p>1) siblings of current students<br />
2) neighborhood kids with no siblings at the school<br />
3) kids who didn’t get into their neighborhood school, who live within the megaboundary<br />
4) kids who attend Program Improvement schools<br />
5) open lottery</p>
<p>Make sense?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy- Could you update us on where the school board is right now on policy changes regarding enrollment? I heard that some parents from Redwood Heights sent a letter into the board at the end of June regarding Megaboundary changes.  I know the sibling policy has changed, but has there been any more focus on changing boundaries?

Thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy- Could you update us on where the school board is right now on policy changes regarding enrollment? I heard that some parents from Redwood Heights sent a letter into the board at the end of June regarding Megaboundary changes.  I know the sibling policy has changed, but has there been any more focus on changing boundaries?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quinn-Anh: It is a political decision which students are assigned where. Your purchase of a home anywhere in OUSD gives you no purchase of attendance in a local school or the continuation of a local school for that matter. Your position that you can litigate any imagined slight is charming but concerning at the same time.

It&#039;s (very) dangerous to go through life thinking you can sue your way to happiness. Living your life to avoid litigation and avoiding entanglement in the courts is very important, especially if you run a business. My reason for saying this is that I&#039;m a lawyer and I deal with people constantly who thought they could live life on the margins and take their chances in court - divorce, taxes, criminal law, liability litigation, estate (non) planning, all of it. Trust me, they are everyone of them furious at the way things turn out when the courts finish with them. Even if they &quot;win&quot; it&#039;s expensive and frustrating.

If education is important to you, what was your analysis of cost/benefit before you purchased a home in OUSD? Did you consider an alternative home in a superior school district, or a budget contingency for private schooling (such as church schools, etc?).

The odds are the quality of the CA public schools will get worse, not better. A change in policy keeping your child from going to a neighborhood school is just another deterioration in the &quot;quality&quot; of public schooling. Something like this just isn&#039;t unexpected. Hopefully you can manage to get your child in your neighborhood school - but next time it will just be something else that deteriorates. The trends are visible - but you may still be able to navigate your child to an acceptable end in OUSD in spite of any problems. Your exact odds I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quinn-Anh: It is a political decision which students are assigned where. Your purchase of a home anywhere in OUSD gives you no purchase of attendance in a local school or the continuation of a local school for that matter. Your position that you can litigate any imagined slight is charming but concerning at the same time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s (very) dangerous to go through life thinking you can sue your way to happiness. Living your life to avoid litigation and avoiding entanglement in the courts is very important, especially if you run a business. My reason for saying this is that I&#8217;m a lawyer and I deal with people constantly who thought they could live life on the margins and take their chances in court &#8211; divorce, taxes, criminal law, liability litigation, estate (non) planning, all of it. Trust me, they are everyone of them furious at the way things turn out when the courts finish with them. Even if they &#8220;win&#8221; it&#8217;s expensive and frustrating.</p>
<p>If education is important to you, what was your analysis of cost/benefit before you purchased a home in OUSD? Did you consider an alternative home in a superior school district, or a budget contingency for private schooling (such as church schools, etc?).</p>
<p>The odds are the quality of the CA public schools will get worse, not better. A change in policy keeping your child from going to a neighborhood school is just another deterioration in the &#8220;quality&#8221; of public schooling. Something like this just isn&#8217;t unexpected. Hopefully you can manage to get your child in your neighborhood school &#8211; but next time it will just be something else that deteriorates. The trends are visible &#8211; but you may still be able to navigate your child to an acceptable end in OUSD in spite of any problems. Your exact odds I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn-Anh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn-Anh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mortgage jumped by 60% when I moved into the Oakland hills. I did this specifically to get into one of the hills elementary schools. I think it is outrageous and categorically unfair that my child may not get into school because he/she will be displaced by a sibling who doesn&#039;t even live in the area! This is surely grounds for a  class-action law suit. The rule should be simple. People whose kids live in the area get first choice for enrollment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mortgage jumped by 60% when I moved into the Oakland hills. I did this specifically to get into one of the hills elementary schools. I think it is outrageous and categorically unfair that my child may not get into school because he/she will be displaced by a sibling who doesn&#8217;t even live in the area! This is surely grounds for a  class-action law suit. The rule should be simple. People whose kids live in the area get first choice for enrollment.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cjc: Which school is that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cjc: Which school is that?</p>
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