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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May:  It&#039;s important to hear these stories about what like is like in OUSD &quot;schools&quot;. Any material you and your classmates can give us about like at the Alma Mater is helpful to our discussions about educational policy and OUSD in particular.

One wuestion - have you compared your experiences with Skyline High to similar students going to Piedmont High, and High Schools in Contra Costa County?  And have you discussed with your parents your experiences and whatever else you have learned about other schools in the Bay Area?  have your parents discussed your experience with Skyline compared to their own at whatever high school they went to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May:  It&#8217;s important to hear these stories about what like is like in OUSD &#8220;schools&#8221;. Any material you and your classmates can give us about like at the Alma Mater is helpful to our discussions about educational policy and OUSD in particular.</p>
<p>One wuestion &#8211; have you compared your experiences with Skyline High to similar students going to Piedmont High, and High Schools in Contra Costa County?  And have you discussed with your parents your experiences and whatever else you have learned about other schools in the Bay Area?  have your parents discussed your experience with Skyline compared to their own at whatever high school they went to?</p>
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		<title>By: May</title>
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		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going in to my Junior year at Skyline, and I just happened to be doing some research for my AP English homework. I ran across this conversation. You people have good arguements and here are some things that I think you should considered. I assume this would help coming from a student.

- Last year at the begining of the school year, me and some other sophmores were put into an  AP Chemistry class. Sophmores are not allowed to take Ap chem. SO why was I put there if they knew that? I put in numerous class change request and ended up sitting in the back of Ms. Mchughs 6th period Ap Chem. class for 5 weeks.
Thanks to Mr. Miller, (who is not even a counselor by the way) I was put into a regular Chemisty class.

-At the begining of the year my schedule also had about
3 teachers with the name vacancy. That could not just be a strange coincidence.

- I also got put into Ms. Thompsons over occupied English class. It was so full that people we sitting on counters and the floor. She was also one of the most incompetent teachers I&#039;ve ever had to deal with. I learned how to capitalize in 1st grade. No offense or anything. Just the truth. Then I got switched into Mr. Konigsbergs English class. He was worse than Ms. Thompson. I got to waste a WHOLE ENTIRE year just sitting and talking and eating. People walked out of his class 15 minutes early. The whole class would have a community test taking and tell one person to do one part of the test and then they will switch.
He also liked to give the answers to the test sometimes. When students would complain to the counselors and staff. NOTHING was done to help the situation.

-I also got a Geometry teacher that left for a month and then made us take a final. I didn&#039;t recognize anything on the final, and yes I failed it.
The class was filled with freshman and had two or three sophmores in it. We had to take CAHSEE last year and we didn&#039;t recieve ANY preperation for it at all. I personaly struggle at math in general and I get to take  the math portion of CAHSEE again next year.
Fortunately I passed the English portion with a perfect score. No thanks to Mr. Konigsberg of course.

-The people I would actually like to thank for being helpful is Mr. Miller, the (counselor?), and my AP World History teacher, Ms. Morici.

I thought this might help you guys narrow down on the really important problems so you could have a more clear vision on what you want to happen at Skyline High School. Any school for that matter.
Students come first. No matter what race or gender. If you look at the student body as seperated people it makes it harder to accomodate for everyone.

But that&#039;s just a student speaking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going in to my Junior year at Skyline, and I just happened to be doing some research for my AP English homework. I ran across this conversation. You people have good arguements and here are some things that I think you should considered. I assume this would help coming from a student.</p>
<p>- Last year at the begining of the school year, me and some other sophmores were put into an  AP Chemistry class. Sophmores are not allowed to take Ap chem. SO why was I put there if they knew that? I put in numerous class change request and ended up sitting in the back of Ms. Mchughs 6th period Ap Chem. class for 5 weeks.<br />
Thanks to Mr. Miller, (who is not even a counselor by the way) I was put into a regular Chemisty class.</p>
<p>-At the begining of the year my schedule also had about<br />
3 teachers with the name vacancy. That could not just be a strange coincidence.</p>
<p>- I also got put into Ms. Thompsons over occupied English class. It was so full that people we sitting on counters and the floor. She was also one of the most incompetent teachers I&#8217;ve ever had to deal with. I learned how to capitalize in 1st grade. No offense or anything. Just the truth. Then I got switched into Mr. Konigsbergs English class. He was worse than Ms. Thompson. I got to waste a WHOLE ENTIRE year just sitting and talking and eating. People walked out of his class 15 minutes early. The whole class would have a community test taking and tell one person to do one part of the test and then they will switch.<br />
He also liked to give the answers to the test sometimes. When students would complain to the counselors and staff. NOTHING was done to help the situation.</p>
<p>-I also got a Geometry teacher that left for a month and then made us take a final. I didn&#8217;t recognize anything on the final, and yes I failed it.<br />
The class was filled with freshman and had two or three sophmores in it. We had to take CAHSEE last year and we didn&#8217;t recieve ANY preperation for it at all. I personaly struggle at math in general and I get to take  the math portion of CAHSEE again next year.<br />
Fortunately I passed the English portion with a perfect score. No thanks to Mr. Konigsberg of course.</p>
<p>-The people I would actually like to thank for being helpful is Mr. Miller, the (counselor?), and my AP World History teacher, Ms. Morici.</p>
<p>I thought this might help you guys narrow down on the really important problems so you could have a more clear vision on what you want to happen at Skyline High School. Any school for that matter.<br />
Students come first. No matter what race or gender. If you look at the student body as seperated people it makes it harder to accomodate for everyone.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s just a student speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln School Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln School Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though meetings were held for the teachers and parents, many teachers still feel skeptical about the openness and fairness of the hiring process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though meetings were held for the teachers and parents, many teachers still feel skeptical about the openness and fairness of the hiring process.</p>
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		<title>By: Lincoln Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lincoln Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Lincoln School, our community information meeting was last Friday, July 10, 6-7 pm. For Staff, we met on the same day from 4 pm. In both meetings, representatives were selected to be on Performance Base Interview panel on Tuesday the 15th , and Matching Interviews on Wednesday the 16 th. Then candidates selected will be recommended by the selection committee to the Superintendent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Lincoln School, our community information meeting was last Friday, July 10, 6-7 pm. For Staff, we met on the same day from 4 pm. In both meetings, representatives were selected to be on Performance Base Interview panel on Tuesday the 15th , and Matching Interviews on Wednesday the 16 th. Then candidates selected will be recommended by the selection committee to the Superintendent.</p>
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		<title>By: oakteach</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakteach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stop feeding the trolls.  Responding reinforces their belief that their unfounded opinions actually mean something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop feeding the trolls.  Responding reinforces their belief that their unfounded opinions actually mean something.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another:  Do you think anybody is impressed by your complaining about &quot;racism&quot;? Do you really?? I don&#039;t care. People don&#039;t care. All I care about is results. Results for the Black Students and their families (whether they like it or not) and results for the new Hispanic super majority that is quickly coming. The white students have fled OUSD for the most part. And in fact are fleeing California.

The economy that is unfolding is sweeping away underperforming blacks (and anybody that acts the same). In your failure factory black &quot;graduates&quot; are having trouble getting an honest job that supports a family - or didn&#039;t you notice. And around half of the black students in Urban America that start 1st grade are gone before 12th and don&#039;t even &quot;graduate&quot;.  And it&#039;s no secret why. Your failure factory school has failed them. Most of them could have been saved from what is happening had they been properly schooled instead of spoiled.

And you say it&#039;s &quot;racism&quot; to call out the emperor has no clothes. It falls on my deaf ears. I&#039;m black - and my white co-workers sure don&#039;t give a damn. Your Hispanic neighbors don&#039;t seem to be crying &quot;racism&quot; as they take control of the labor unions and the civil service machines - not to mention the service jobs in California.

Back to the thread - I want principals in place like the old school principals who look at these kids and see soon-to-be employees fitting into the economy of the bay area (and sees the MINORITY of school kids that can fit into higher education). I want Principals who will do that it takes to force these square kids to fit into the round holes of the workforce.

That doesn&#039;t mean making the students or their families happy or comfortable. That&#039;s nice if that happens but it&#039;s purely optional.

And getting rid of loser liberal instructors and replacing them with teachers that fit into the program on not being a failure factory goes with the territory.

And one of the cardinal issues with &quot;liberal&quot; is teaching and whining to the students that they are victims and that those who don&#039;t cater to them are racists. Or that &quot;racism&quot; has anything to do with the failure of the student to rise economically. Racism doesn&#039;t work that way. Except for loser liberals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another:  Do you think anybody is impressed by your complaining about &#8220;racism&#8221;? Do you really?? I don&#8217;t care. People don&#8217;t care. All I care about is results. Results for the Black Students and their families (whether they like it or not) and results for the new Hispanic super majority that is quickly coming. The white students have fled OUSD for the most part. And in fact are fleeing California.</p>
<p>The economy that is unfolding is sweeping away underperforming blacks (and anybody that acts the same). In your failure factory black &#8220;graduates&#8221; are having trouble getting an honest job that supports a family &#8211; or didn&#8217;t you notice. And around half of the black students in Urban America that start 1st grade are gone before 12th and don&#8217;t even &#8220;graduate&#8221;.  And it&#8217;s no secret why. Your failure factory school has failed them. Most of them could have been saved from what is happening had they been properly schooled instead of spoiled.</p>
<p>And you say it&#8217;s &#8220;racism&#8221; to call out the emperor has no clothes. It falls on my deaf ears. I&#8217;m black &#8211; and my white co-workers sure don&#8217;t give a damn. Your Hispanic neighbors don&#8217;t seem to be crying &#8220;racism&#8221; as they take control of the labor unions and the civil service machines &#8211; not to mention the service jobs in California.</p>
<p>Back to the thread &#8211; I want principals in place like the old school principals who look at these kids and see soon-to-be employees fitting into the economy of the bay area (and sees the MINORITY of school kids that can fit into higher education). I want Principals who will do that it takes to force these square kids to fit into the round holes of the workforce.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean making the students or their families happy or comfortable. That&#8217;s nice if that happens but it&#8217;s purely optional.</p>
<p>And getting rid of loser liberal instructors and replacing them with teachers that fit into the program on not being a failure factory goes with the territory.</p>
<p>And one of the cardinal issues with &#8220;liberal&#8221; is teaching and whining to the students that they are victims and that those who don&#8217;t cater to them are racists. Or that &#8220;racism&#8221; has anything to do with the failure of the student to rise economically. Racism doesn&#8217;t work that way. Except for loser liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Skyline Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Skyline Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nextset,

Just good ol&#039; plain talking racism, that&#039;s all it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nextset,</p>
<p>Just good ol&#8217; plain talking racism, that&#8217;s all it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 01:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Skyline Teachers: Whenever I deal with liberals they call plain talking or reality &quot;cynicism&quot;. You see, they think God is going to come down here and magically fix the mess they have created with their behavior and their values.

John&#039;s comments may sound flip to you. It would. You preside over failure factories. People like me often use gallows humor in dealing with crash landings with the clients we deal with.

In point of fact the OUSD principals could use a working knowledge of the California Penal Code. They are grooming students, especially the black students, for prison. To this I might add that a working knowledge of communicable diseases wouldn&#039;t hurt either for the same reasons.

If only things were different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skyline Teachers: Whenever I deal with liberals they call plain talking or reality &#8220;cynicism&#8221;. You see, they think God is going to come down here and magically fix the mess they have created with their behavior and their values.</p>
<p>John&#8217;s comments may sound flip to you. It would. You preside over failure factories. People like me often use gallows humor in dealing with crash landings with the clients we deal with.</p>
<p>In point of fact the OUSD principals could use a working knowledge of the California Penal Code. They are grooming students, especially the black students, for prison. To this I might add that a working knowledge of communicable diseases wouldn&#8217;t hurt either for the same reasons.</p>
<p>If only things were different.</p>
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		<title>By: More would-be principals to be interviewed by staff, parents - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>More would-be principals to be interviewed by staff, parents - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Skyline isn&#8217;t the only school in which parents and teachers will interview candidates for principal. One of our readers informed us over the weekend that a meeting had been scheduled at Redwood Heights Elementary at 6 p.m. Wednesday &#8212; presumably to form an interview panel for the replacement of Principal Ann Kruze, who, I&#8217;m told, has taken a position in the district office. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Skyline isn&#8217;t the only school in which parents and teachers will interview candidates for principal. One of our readers informed us over the weekend that a meeting had been scheduled at Redwood Heights Elementary at 6 p.m. Wednesday &#8212; presumably to form an interview panel for the replacement of Principal Ann Kruze, who, I&#8217;m told, has taken a position in the district office. [...]</p>
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