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	<title>Comments on: Skyline headed towards change or stuck in a rut?</title>
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		<title>By: i wont tell</title>
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		<dc:creator>i wont tell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[going to skyline i sure hope there will be a turn around, did any1 hear of what happened in mrs.center&#039;s class? she was fired for a teacher straight out of college, my friends tell me *ill levae out the profanity* &#039;hes a mother.....idioit, we were in the middle of a great lesson with mrs.center and now we are learning about respect!?!?&#039; i honestly think this is sad, and as for football, ive seen the varsity team, they have enough talent to flip there record, just not the coach *head*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>going to skyline i sure hope there will be a turn around, did any1 hear of what happened in mrs.center&#8217;s class? she was fired for a teacher straight out of college, my friends tell me *ill levae out the profanity* &#8216;hes a mother&#8230;..idioit, we were in the middle of a great lesson with mrs.center and now we are learning about respect!?!?&#8217; i honestly think this is sad, and as for football, ive seen the varsity team, they have enough talent to flip there record, just not the coach *head*</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I went to see &quot;The Wiz&quot; this weekend. Several Skyline students were in the play and the lead character is a former Skyline student.

What I found remarkable, was at the end of the play, all those who were headed off to college were given their moment in the sun, introduced, college announced.

Then the Skyline students who had a couple of weeks rather than months to prepare were announced.

The dancing, acting, and stage presence was great to see. The talent was amazing. I felt gratified to bring my 9 year old to a performance with so many talented young people from Oakland.

I hope Skyline continues to develop talent in academics and the arts as well as sports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to see &#8220;The Wiz&#8221; this weekend. Several Skyline students were in the play and the lead character is a former Skyline student.</p>
<p>What I found remarkable, was at the end of the play, all those who were headed off to college were given their moment in the sun, introduced, college announced.</p>
<p>Then the Skyline students who had a couple of weeks rather than months to prepare were announced.</p>
<p>The dancing, acting, and stage presence was great to see. The talent was amazing. I felt gratified to bring my 9 year old to a performance with so many talented young people from Oakland.</p>
<p>I hope Skyline continues to develop talent in academics and the arts as well as sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Dutton-Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Dutton-Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sue, I&#039;m very glad for your son. I worked with many of the students in the autism program last year and they all seemed to be blossoming. Congratulations on your success at Skyline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, I&#8217;m very glad for your son. I worked with many of the students in the autism program last year and they all seemed to be blossoming. Congratulations on your success at Skyline.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I happen to agree with Diamond&#039;s views of Skyline.  Teachers and other students have been very good to my disabled son, and he&#039;s made excellent progress during his first two years there.

Over the summer, something &quot;kicked on&quot; for him, and now we&#039;re getting wonderful feedback from the school (and from his private piano teacher).  We&#039;re seeing it at home too.  He&#039;s understanding things he never understood before, he&#039;s taking responsibility for household tasks that have been his for years, but now he doesn&#039;t need reminders, he just does what he&#039;s supposed to do.

A year ago, we weren&#039;t even all that worked up about a snafu that denied him the opportunity to take the CAHSEE with the rest of the sophomores, because he&#039;s never taken standardized tests seriously, or done anything more than the minimum to get it out of his way.  Now, we&#039;re looking at the possibility that he might actually be able to pass it, and get his high school diploma.

I can&#039;t believe that some people are trash-talking about a school that has accomplished that much with a kid with autism.  There&#039;s a disconnect from reality somewhere, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s in my family&#039;s observations, or in Diamond&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to agree with Diamond&#8217;s views of Skyline.  Teachers and other students have been very good to my disabled son, and he&#8217;s made excellent progress during his first two years there.</p>
<p>Over the summer, something &#8220;kicked on&#8221; for him, and now we&#8217;re getting wonderful feedback from the school (and from his private piano teacher).  We&#8217;re seeing it at home too.  He&#8217;s understanding things he never understood before, he&#8217;s taking responsibility for household tasks that have been his for years, but now he doesn&#8217;t need reminders, he just does what he&#8217;s supposed to do.</p>
<p>A year ago, we weren&#8217;t even all that worked up about a snafu that denied him the opportunity to take the CAHSEE with the rest of the sophomores, because he&#8217;s never taken standardized tests seriously, or done anything more than the minimum to get it out of his way.  Now, we&#8217;re looking at the possibility that he might actually be able to pass it, and get his high school diploma.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that some people are trash-talking about a school that has accomplished that much with a kid with autism.  There&#8217;s a disconnect from reality somewhere, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s in my family&#8217;s observations, or in Diamond&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cranky: Your disclosure that you &quot;would NEVER begrudge a parent making decisions based on what is best for their child&quot; is reassuring and I assume you believe made more credible by disclosing your parenthood.

I agree that “complex districts like S.F., Oakland and Berkeley can (more efficiently) be navigated by savvy (street smart) students and kids with their heads screwed on straight into the top schools.” I also believe it is largely the “unmotivated students (you reference) from unsupportive (family, etc.) backgrounds” that make some schools in such “complex” districts “death traps” (as you call them).

Perhaps the reason you think MY suggesting a good student should leave a school “death trap” for safer more academically focused quarters  is “silly and simplistic” because you’re under the influence of anger instead of logic &amp; reason in making your response.

I certainly agree that &quot;children are not political pawns or fodder for social experiments.&quot; I also believe good students shouldn’t stay in school “death traps” as a means of improving school test scores or reliable source of ADA IF they have the means or a strategy to upgrade.  Those that don’t must obviously make the best of their ‘high risk student’ high school environment.

It’s not necessarily a bad thing when good students (savvy parented or not) think they’re getting the best education.  Denial isn’t always a bad thing and, in this context, is well complemented by the old lyrical admonition to “be true to your school”
as, exemplified by the eloquence of Dbroussard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky: Your disclosure that you &#8220;would NEVER begrudge a parent making decisions based on what is best for their child&#8221; is reassuring and I assume you believe made more credible by disclosing your parenthood.</p>
<p>I agree that “complex districts like S.F., Oakland and Berkeley can (more efficiently) be navigated by savvy (street smart) students and kids with their heads screwed on straight into the top schools.” I also believe it is largely the “unmotivated students (you reference) from unsupportive (family, etc.) backgrounds” that make some schools in such “complex” districts “death traps” (as you call them).</p>
<p>Perhaps the reason you think MY suggesting a good student should leave a school “death trap” for safer more academically focused quarters  is “silly and simplistic” because you’re under the influence of anger instead of logic &amp; reason in making your response.</p>
<p>I certainly agree that &#8220;children are not political pawns or fodder for social experiments.&#8221; I also believe good students shouldn’t stay in school “death traps” as a means of improving school test scores or reliable source of ADA IF they have the means or a strategy to upgrade.  Those that don’t must obviously make the best of their ‘high risk student’ high school environment.</p>
<p>It’s not necessarily a bad thing when good students (savvy parented or not) think they’re getting the best education.  Denial isn’t always a bad thing and, in this context, is well complemented by the old lyrical admonition to “be true to your school”<br />
as, exemplified by the eloquence of Dbroussard.</p>
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		<title>By: A skyliner</title>
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		<dc:creator>A skyliner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure about that Chavis connection but...

...Mr. Sye has never principled at a school remotely as large or dysfunctional as Skyline...

...because nobody who had that kind of experience...

... applied for the job...

... in fact, hardly anybody at all applied for the job...

...according to our Nexo, Wendy G.

Principaling in Oakland is like coaching the Raiders...

...good as a stepping stone maybe, but you aren&#039;t going to last...

...and you&#039;re going to leave with some scars...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about that Chavis connection but&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Mr. Sye has never principled at a school remotely as large or dysfunctional as Skyline&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;because nobody who had that kind of experience&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; applied for the job&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; in fact, hardly anybody at all applied for the job&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;according to our Nexo, Wendy G.</p>
<p>Principaling in Oakland is like coaching the Raiders&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;good as a stepping stone maybe, but you aren&#8217;t going to last&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and you&#8217;re going to leave with some scars&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cranky teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...meant to say &quot;savvy parents&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;meant to say &#8220;savvy parents&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cranky teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John: I was responding specifically to the statement,  &quot;How long must the community wait to see substantial change?&quot;

I would NEVER begrudge a parent making decisions based on what is best for their child. Our children are not political pawns or fodder for social experiments. I&#039;m a parent, I understand that.

However, your comments that Diamond is not getting a good education unless she leaves Oakland are silly and simplistic. Complex districts like S.F., Oakland and Berkeley can be navigated by savvy students and kids with their heads screwed on straight straight into the top schools -- however, they can be death traps for unmotivated students from unsupportive backgrounds.

Check out the number of kids from Oakland Tech who got into the Ivy League last year. It compares very favorably with suburban schools with huge advantages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: I was responding specifically to the statement,  &#8220;How long must the community wait to see substantial change?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would NEVER begrudge a parent making decisions based on what is best for their child. Our children are not political pawns or fodder for social experiments. I&#8217;m a parent, I understand that.</p>
<p>However, your comments that Diamond is not getting a good education unless she leaves Oakland are silly and simplistic. Complex districts like S.F., Oakland and Berkeley can be navigated by savvy students and kids with their heads screwed on straight straight into the top schools &#8212; however, they can be death traps for unmotivated students from unsupportive backgrounds.</p>
<p>Check out the number of kids from Oakland Tech who got into the Ivy League last year. It compares very favorably with suburban schools with huge advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A diversity of opinions about the new principal...  Good!  I haven&#039;t met him yet, but since my older son is at Skyline, I probably will.

For the moment, my hope is that he understands something about Spec. Ed. students and laws.  That was the stumbling-block I saw with the previous principal.  I&#039;m sure others saw other problems in the last couple of years, and hope Mr. Sye will be prepared and capable of dealing with those too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A diversity of opinions about the new principal&#8230;  Good!  I haven&#8217;t met him yet, but since my older son is at Skyline, I probably will.</p>
<p>For the moment, my hope is that he understands something about Spec. Ed. students and laws.  That was the stumbling-block I saw with the previous principal.  I&#8217;m sure others saw other problems in the last couple of years, and hope Mr. Sye will be prepared and capable of dealing with those too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Give the man a chance before you dog him. It may work out. Keep hope alive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give the man a chance before you dog him. It may work out. Keep hope alive.</p>
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