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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2008/09/17/everybody-in-the-district-had-me-in-jail/comment-page-1/#comment-18255</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, &quot;this type of treatment is reserved for a particular segment of the population.&quot;  It seems that your father was, for whatever reasons, mistakenly associated with that segment.

I understand your anger and emotional need to strike out. It&#039;s too bad you can&#039;t direct your anger toward that segment of the &quot;particular segment&quot; directly responsible for putting your father on the suspect list.  But then again, I suspect it&#039;s infinitely safer for you to vent your anger here than there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, &#8220;this type of treatment is reserved for a particular segment of the population.&#8221;  It seems that your father was, for whatever reasons, mistakenly associated with that segment.</p>
<p>I understand your anger and emotional need to strike out. It&#8217;s too bad you can&#8217;t direct your anger toward that segment of the &#8220;particular segment&#8221; directly responsible for putting your father on the suspect list.  But then again, I suspect it&#8217;s infinitely safer for you to vent your anger here than there.</p>
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		<title>By: Norris L. Cooper, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norris L. Cooper, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is my father and I am beyond pissed, and it is not an exclusively emotional response, but one that comes from the disrespect that he had to endure at the hands of law enforcement. It seems that there is a biased, conservative voice that lacks compassion, empathy and general concern for the treatment of others, running through these responses. Investigation or not, I know as well as other members of the community, that this type of treatment is reserved for a particular segment of the population. Anyone who denies this is living in a fantasy world. While I do not always agree with my father, he has always been a man to tell you to keep away from trouble and steer clear of non sense. PERIOD. We have a big family and whatever my father gave us in his DNA, provided all of us with the ability to stand on our own two feet, believe in ourselves, and achieve. All of us have four year degrees less, the two that are still working at it. I actually have four, and a few of my sisters have multiple as well. My father is a very hard working man who has always done his best even when the cards did not fall the way &quot;we&quot; wanted. If he has it, he will give it. He does not steal and he has always encouraged us to do better and be better than him acknowledging his flaws and encouraging our growth by learning from his mistakes. He does this indirectly and I did not always understand this. He would provide guidance from a been there, done that perspective without acting like a complete know it all. He is not perfect, but his work ethic should speak for itself and he has the right to be respected and treated with dignity. We are past the days of the antebellum south.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my father and I am beyond pissed, and it is not an exclusively emotional response, but one that comes from the disrespect that he had to endure at the hands of law enforcement. It seems that there is a biased, conservative voice that lacks compassion, empathy and general concern for the treatment of others, running through these responses. Investigation or not, I know as well as other members of the community, that this type of treatment is reserved for a particular segment of the population. Anyone who denies this is living in a fantasy world. While I do not always agree with my father, he has always been a man to tell you to keep away from trouble and steer clear of non sense. PERIOD. We have a big family and whatever my father gave us in his DNA, provided all of us with the ability to stand on our own two feet, believe in ourselves, and achieve. All of us have four year degrees less, the two that are still working at it. I actually have four, and a few of my sisters have multiple as well. My father is a very hard working man who has always done his best even when the cards did not fall the way &#8220;we&#8221; wanted. If he has it, he will give it. He does not steal and he has always encouraged us to do better and be better than him acknowledging his flaws and encouraging our growth by learning from his mistakes. He does this indirectly and I did not always understand this. He would provide guidance from a been there, done that perspective without acting like a complete know it all. He is not perfect, but his work ethic should speak for itself and he has the right to be respected and treated with dignity. We are past the days of the antebellum south.</p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Cooper drives a jaguar already!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cooper drives a jaguar already!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Farwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Farwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi &quot;Coop:&quot;

Anne and I are sorry for your ordeal. For those who know you, the thought that you would have taken computers from your school is laughable if it didn&#039;t hurt so much.

You are an example of what gives this district the hope that things can get better.  Your work ethic,not just going through the motions but to do things right and your commitment to those with whom you work are an example of what we should all strive to achieve. And then, there is your smile and laugh...you warm up an otherwise cold day with your caring and kindness towards others.  Be well!!!

Anne and Jim Farwell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8220;Coop:&#8221;</p>
<p>Anne and I are sorry for your ordeal. For those who know you, the thought that you would have taken computers from your school is laughable if it didn&#8217;t hurt so much.</p>
<p>You are an example of what gives this district the hope that things can get better.  Your work ethic,not just going through the motions but to do things right and your commitment to those with whom you work are an example of what we should all strive to achieve. And then, there is your smile and laugh&#8230;you warm up an otherwise cold day with your caring and kindness towards others.  Be well!!!</p>
<p>Anne and Jim Farwell</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cranky:  Nice to hear from you again.

Actually, no.  I&#039;m born and raised in CA.

Maybe you live in Oakland. I don&#039;t, but I used to.
I have friends who&#039;ve worked in the Oakland Courts all their lives - some have retired, some are still there. I was around the Oakland courts since 9th grade - I worked in downtown Oakland for 4 years during college and elsewhere in Oakland during law school.

I have a lot relatives and friends who live in Oakland. I worry about their safety. And yes, I have friends and co-workers who spent a lot of time in war zones. They feel in danger when they go about in Oakland.

I don&#039;t have much good news for you. Look at Vallejo. Look at Los Angeles. Things are likely to get far worse in Oakland than they are now - and I wouldn&#039;t go out to dinner in Oakland anymore.

There may be a time when you will wish you had better access to police services. It&#039;s going to be triaged.

Brave New World!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky:  Nice to hear from you again.</p>
<p>Actually, no.  I&#8217;m born and raised in CA.</p>
<p>Maybe you live in Oakland. I don&#8217;t, but I used to.<br />
I have friends who&#8217;ve worked in the Oakland Courts all their lives &#8211; some have retired, some are still there. I was around the Oakland courts since 9th grade &#8211; I worked in downtown Oakland for 4 years during college and elsewhere in Oakland during law school.</p>
<p>I have a lot relatives and friends who live in Oakland. I worry about their safety. And yes, I have friends and co-workers who spent a lot of time in war zones. They feel in danger when they go about in Oakland.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much good news for you. Look at Vallejo. Look at Los Angeles. Things are likely to get far worse in Oakland than they are now &#8211; and I wouldn&#8217;t go out to dinner in Oakland anymore.</p>
<p>There may be a time when you will wish you had better access to police services. It&#8217;s going to be triaged.</p>
<p>Brave New World!</p>
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		<title>By: cranky teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You get nowhere thinking the cops make things worse for society. They are the last thing between you and anarchy.&quot;

The classic Nextset worldview: Authority is the only thing that compels positive action among the majority of humans.

It&#039;s funny to me becuase in much of the world the police are an actively negative or nonexistent force, yet things usually do NOT fall into anarchy. Humans are social animals who make deals, build shared cultures with norms and consequences, etc. If they don&#039;t have police, they police each other and themselves.

Have you ever lived anywhere outside of the U.S., Mr. Nextset, not counting war zones?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You get nowhere thinking the cops make things worse for society. They are the last thing between you and anarchy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The classic Nextset worldview: Authority is the only thing that compels positive action among the majority of humans.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny to me becuase in much of the world the police are an actively negative or nonexistent force, yet things usually do NOT fall into anarchy. Humans are social animals who make deals, build shared cultures with norms and consequences, etc. If they don&#8217;t have police, they police each other and themselves.</p>
<p>Have you ever lived anywhere outside of the U.S., Mr. Nextset, not counting war zones?</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jake:  This thread is specifically about a legal affair. Even worse, some of the bloggers - and it&#039;s human nature - have proposed the readership take action in a way that could directly affect Mr. Cooper and his relationship with the school, the police, and/or the other janitors who is in hot water. Of all the blog threads you may need an attorney to comment on this is the type. I hardly need approval from you to do so. If you think my commentary on this thread is pious - take it to a lawyer to see how they would work this situation. The legal community I work in has not described me as &quot;pious&quot; so I don&#039;t take you seriously.

You see - unless you have something yourself to add to the debate, interpersonal attacks on another blogger are mainly about you. It&#039;s seems that you are young - I&#039;m not. I enjoy your point of view I think. It just doesn&#039;t carry any water yet. You&#039;ll get better at this later in life.

You need to argue the thread - what apparently happened to Cooper - what should have happened instead - what should be done now - and why. I posed that what happened is par for the course - and will happen the next time the same thing happens in some other school with different people. You&#039;re not happy, but you haven&#039;t responded that the fact pattern here in unprecedented or atypical.

You rather put forth that you don&#039;t like me. Do I sound like I need your approval? It&#039;s not about me or you. It&#039;s about what goes on at the schools and how the workers are treated by the schools I suppose. It&#039;s not clear to me that OUSD is the same as the police investigators. And I expect that OUSD will never discuss or debate any staff matter publicly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake:  This thread is specifically about a legal affair. Even worse, some of the bloggers &#8211; and it&#8217;s human nature &#8211; have proposed the readership take action in a way that could directly affect Mr. Cooper and his relationship with the school, the police, and/or the other janitors who is in hot water. Of all the blog threads you may need an attorney to comment on this is the type. I hardly need approval from you to do so. If you think my commentary on this thread is pious &#8211; take it to a lawyer to see how they would work this situation. The legal community I work in has not described me as &#8220;pious&#8221; so I don&#8217;t take you seriously.</p>
<p>You see &#8211; unless you have something yourself to add to the debate, interpersonal attacks on another blogger are mainly about you. It&#8217;s seems that you are young &#8211; I&#8217;m not. I enjoy your point of view I think. It just doesn&#8217;t carry any water yet. You&#8217;ll get better at this later in life.</p>
<p>You need to argue the thread &#8211; what apparently happened to Cooper &#8211; what should have happened instead &#8211; what should be done now &#8211; and why. I posed that what happened is par for the course &#8211; and will happen the next time the same thing happens in some other school with different people. You&#8217;re not happy, but you haven&#8217;t responded that the fact pattern here in unprecedented or atypical.</p>
<p>You rather put forth that you don&#8217;t like me. Do I sound like I need your approval? It&#8217;s not about me or you. It&#8217;s about what goes on at the schools and how the workers are treated by the schools I suppose. It&#8217;s not clear to me that OUSD is the same as the police investigators. And I expect that OUSD will never discuss or debate any staff matter publicly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset, your screeds are not &#039;fun&#039; for me, or many of the other people who read this blog.

You post pious and smug cynicism and suggest that it&#039;s just friendly advice.  You have some serious axes to grind about public education... but seem to have very little first-hand knowledge to inform your sweeping generalizations.

I would happily encourage you to peddle your insight on any blog or forum about legal affairs, instead!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset, your screeds are not &#8216;fun&#8217; for me, or many of the other people who read this blog.</p>
<p>You post pious and smug cynicism and suggest that it&#8217;s just friendly advice.  You have some serious axes to grind about public education&#8230; but seem to have very little first-hand knowledge to inform your sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>I would happily encourage you to peddle your insight on any blog or forum about legal affairs, instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John:  All this is is an excercise. People do what they want. I learned a long time ago that free advice is useless except as an excercise for the speaker.

The blog is still fun and maybe somebody who does read the back and forth will have more to draw on when it&#039;s their turn to commit themselves or not to a course of action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  All this is is an excercise. People do what they want. I learned a long time ago that free advice is useless except as an excercise for the speaker.</p>
<p>The blog is still fun and maybe somebody who does read the back and forth will have more to draw on when it&#8217;s their turn to commit themselves or not to a course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset!  I LOVED your response.  My favorite comment was, “So you want to turn up the heat here? Who are you serving? Cooper?  Really.” You ask a rhetorical question followed by “Really,” as though I’d given a response.

What a wonderful self speak interrogative technique you employ here and elsewhere in your entertaining and informative response to things not meant or communicated.

Thanks also for upgrading your advice to “professional,” along with the informative  demonstration of how part of your “world works” Mr. Prosecutor.

If it pleases the court the imaginary defendant would like to be excused for, among other things, a “proposal” and “suggestion” never made.

As always I appreciate your feedback and look forward to your response, always willing and able to separate the wheat from the tares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset!  I LOVED your response.  My favorite comment was, “So you want to turn up the heat here? Who are you serving? Cooper?  Really.” You ask a rhetorical question followed by “Really,” as though I’d given a response.</p>
<p>What a wonderful self speak interrogative technique you employ here and elsewhere in your entertaining and informative response to things not meant or communicated.</p>
<p>Thanks also for upgrading your advice to “professional,” along with the informative  demonstration of how part of your “world works” Mr. Prosecutor.</p>
<p>If it pleases the court the imaginary defendant would like to be excused for, among other things, a “proposal” and “suggestion” never made.</p>
<p>As always I appreciate your feedback and look forward to your response, always willing and able to separate the wheat from the tares.</p>
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