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	<title>Comments on: Video games and civics</title>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2008/09/18/video-games-and-civic-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-18260</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No need to apologize, Sue! I was actually making fun of myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No need to apologize, Sue! I was actually making fun of myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, Katy.  I didn&#039;t intend to be unclear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Katy.  I didn&#8217;t intend to be unclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose the Sims games might force the kids out of their magical fantasies that people behave in ways we want them to behave. People do as they damn well please - with survival being high among the motivators (followed by food, fun, sex, family or whatever). A Sims game might be one way to introduce the concept of free minds and free markets, until the kids learned to rewrite the code of the game so that the people would behave and take orders from God.

When I speak of Civics I&#039;m thinking of structure of government and government operations - not volunteering. I tend to follow Ayn Rand on Alturism. I&#039;m no longer a Rotary member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the Sims games might force the kids out of their magical fantasies that people behave in ways we want them to behave. People do as they damn well please &#8211; with survival being high among the motivators (followed by food, fun, sex, family or whatever). A Sims game might be one way to introduce the concept of free minds and free markets, until the kids learned to rewrite the code of the game so that the people would behave and take orders from God.</p>
<p>When I speak of Civics I&#8217;m thinking of structure of government and government operations &#8211; not volunteering. I tend to follow Ayn Rand on Alturism. I&#8217;m no longer a Rotary member.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OTOH...

Sue, you are way beyond me with your online acronym-speak. It took me a few minutes, but I finally figured out what that meant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH&#8230;</p>
<p>Sue, you are way beyond me with your online acronym-speak. It took me a few minutes, but I finally figured out what that meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wouldn&#039;t work with my sons - they think Sims are &quot;booooring&quot;.  They have to buy their own video games, and have gone for other titles but not WoW, either.

OTOH, they liked to tag along when DH and I went to vote (until they got old enough to be left at home alone, anyway) and they semi- pay attention when we&#039;re talking politics, elections, candidates, city measures, state propositions, etc.  If they throw out a comment in those conversations, we&#039;ll respond reasonably even if their ideas are sometimes naive.  I&#039;ve been pleasantly surprised more often than not by their insights and lack of naivete.

I think they&#039;re getting it, and will be part of the 42% engaged instead of the 58% disengaged - it&#039;s the same civic-minded child-rearing that my parents and DH&#039;s practiced, and it seems to have worked pretty well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn&#8217;t work with my sons &#8211; they think Sims are &#8220;booooring&#8221;.  They have to buy their own video games, and have gone for other titles but not WoW, either.</p>
<p>OTOH, they liked to tag along when DH and I went to vote (until they got old enough to be left at home alone, anyway) and they semi- pay attention when we&#8217;re talking politics, elections, candidates, city measures, state propositions, etc.  If they throw out a comment in those conversations, we&#8217;ll respond reasonably even if their ideas are sometimes naive.  I&#8217;ve been pleasantly surprised more often than not by their insights and lack of naivete.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re getting it, and will be part of the 42% engaged instead of the 58% disengaged &#8211; it&#8217;s the same civic-minded child-rearing that my parents and DH&#8217;s practiced, and it seems to have worked pretty well.</p>
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