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		<title>By: Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Jose. My message should have been addressed to Jon Simon.

turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jose. My message should have been addressed to Jon Simon.</p>
<p>turner</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jon Simon:  Your warning to Jose about, &quot;heading down the road to Libertarian and Republicanism&quot; comes across like a doctor warning his patient about life style choices that will inevitably lead to a dread disease if the patient doesn&#039;t change his ways.

Your seeming notion that folks &#039;afflicted&#039; with a different mind set than yours have some kind of mental disorder is perhaps instructive (?) for those contemplating what kind of society we might have with a far left presidency and ‘filibuster proof” democratic congress.

It’s your kind of extremist intolerant attitude that got folks locked up in psychiatric wards during the Soviet era for openly disagreeing with or contradicting the ideology of the state.

Perhaps your uncompromising end of the political spectrum would encourage our new executive leader to adopt the following as our national (replacement) anthem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&amp;feature=related]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Simon:  Your warning to Jose about, &#8220;heading down the road to Libertarian and Republicanism&#8221; comes across like a doctor warning his patient about life style choices that will inevitably lead to a dread disease if the patient doesn&#8217;t change his ways.</p>
<p>Your seeming notion that folks &#8216;afflicted&#8217; with a different mind set than yours have some kind of mental disorder is perhaps instructive (?) for those contemplating what kind of society we might have with a far left presidency and ‘filibuster proof” democratic congress.</p>
<p>It’s your kind of extremist intolerant attitude that got folks locked up in psychiatric wards during the Soviet era for openly disagreeing with or contradicting the ideology of the state.</p>
<p>Perhaps your uncompromising end of the political spectrum would encourage our new executive leader to adopt the following as our national (replacement) anthem?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: OUSD police chief cusses out Trib videographer - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>OUSD police chief cusses out Trib videographer - The Education Report - Katy Murphy covers what&#8217;s going on in the Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Turner</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2008/10/31/students-skip-school-protest-immigration-raids/comment-page-1/#comment-18709</link>
		<dc:creator>Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jose,

You talk like Libertarianism and Republicanism are bad or evil. Those are views held by law-abiding, tax-paying, US-loving good old Americans. This is a country where diverse people and diverse views are welcome. They are just different views. Instead of using them as insults, you should try to understand them. Some of them have really good ideas.

As for students, they belong in school. They have no business protesting during school hours. It&#039;s as simple as that.

Turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,</p>
<p>You talk like Libertarianism and Republicanism are bad or evil. Those are views held by law-abiding, tax-paying, US-loving good old Americans. This is a country where diverse people and diverse views are welcome. They are just different views. Instead of using them as insults, you should try to understand them. Some of them have really good ideas.</p>
<p>As for students, they belong in school. They have no business protesting during school hours. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
<p>Turner</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jose,
If you&#039;re agreeing with Nextset, like I said, you&#039;re heading down the road to Libertarianism and Republicanism.  Go get yourself a copy of &#039;Atlas Shrugged&#039; ASAP.  It&#039;ll speak to your emotions.  If that&#039;s criticism to you, then you&#039;ve got to look in the mirror.  If you don&#039;t like my comment about empathy, then look at what you said about the protesters.

Jose said, &quot;It makes us Mexicans feel good to know that you are so concerned about our people’s rights.&quot;  That is drawing a racial line in the sand.  Jose and the Mexicans on one side, me on the other.  It had nothing to do with John.  I understand where the confusion came from.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,<br />
If you&#8217;re agreeing with Nextset, like I said, you&#8217;re heading down the road to Libertarianism and Republicanism.  Go get yourself a copy of &#8216;Atlas Shrugged&#8217; ASAP.  It&#8217;ll speak to your emotions.  If that&#8217;s criticism to you, then you&#8217;ve got to look in the mirror.  If you don&#8217;t like my comment about empathy, then look at what you said about the protesters.</p>
<p>Jose said, &#8220;It makes us Mexicans feel good to know that you are so concerned about our people’s rights.&#8221;  That is drawing a racial line in the sand.  Jose and the Mexicans on one side, me on the other.  It had nothing to do with John.  I understand where the confusion came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose, Former Student</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2008/10/31/students-skip-school-protest-immigration-raids/comment-page-1/#comment-18720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose, Former Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset,

I agree with you.

Jon,

you are great at placing labels &quot;Your lack of empathy&quot; on others. Is this your idea of &quot;political consciousness?&quot; Do you realize you &quot;are critizing me for expressing my constitutional right to disagree with you? Is that your view of social jusitce and tolorance in education?

You did not answer my questions above. Will you answer these questions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset,</p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>Jon,</p>
<p>you are great at placing labels &#8220;Your lack of empathy&#8221; on others. Is this your idea of &#8220;political consciousness?&#8221; Do you realize you &#8220;are critizing me for expressing my constitutional right to disagree with you? Is that your view of social jusitce and tolorance in education?</p>
<p>You did not answer my questions above. Will you answer these questions?</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy:  One of the things I remember about the Catholic Grade School is that the Nuns made it clear that we are visible in our uniforms - going to and from school or hanging out after school. If we did anything in that uniform that embarasses the school they would kill us. Now they didn&#039;t use the word &quot;kill&quot; - it was some Nun version of that. we knew what they meant (a beating for starters?).

Nowadays the public school kids wear a uniform just as much as we did. They are distinctive - when you see a gang of them going to and from school you can say &quot;there goes OUSD&quot; pretty accurately.

It bothers me when the school&#039;s kids are out in the street - where they can get run over - instead of in their seats in class where they are supposedly safe and getting work done. And they are no credit to their schools acting wild in the streets - having BART bypass stations because they have jumped the turnstiles and occupied the place.

I keep saying this. What we are seeing is not about free speech or even political speech. It&#039;s all about indiscipline. And it&#039;s the same indiscipline that&#039;s going to keep these kids from rising in society, and will keep their mortality rates jumping.

The illegal alien criminal thing is just extra credit. I have known immigrants all my life. My parents sponsored a Hungarian Refugee who fled the Soviet occupation there - I have Vietnamese and African in laws - These people came legally sometimes after waiting years to be let in and arriving with no intention of going back. They are very different from the Mexican Colonists who go &quot;home&quot; for Xmas and are recreating Mexico within our borders. So I&#039;m not impressed by these &quot;immigrants&quot; who really aren&#039;t - they are colonists.

Anyway, students belong in school and in school placed internships and jobs, not committing crimes in the street during school hours. And it&#039;s noteworthy that they have no shame and no fear - for that their schools have failed them.

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy:  One of the things I remember about the Catholic Grade School is that the Nuns made it clear that we are visible in our uniforms &#8211; going to and from school or hanging out after school. If we did anything in that uniform that embarasses the school they would kill us. Now they didn&#8217;t use the word &#8220;kill&#8221; &#8211; it was some Nun version of that. we knew what they meant (a beating for starters?).</p>
<p>Nowadays the public school kids wear a uniform just as much as we did. They are distinctive &#8211; when you see a gang of them going to and from school you can say &#8220;there goes OUSD&#8221; pretty accurately.</p>
<p>It bothers me when the school&#8217;s kids are out in the street &#8211; where they can get run over &#8211; instead of in their seats in class where they are supposedly safe and getting work done. And they are no credit to their schools acting wild in the streets &#8211; having BART bypass stations because they have jumped the turnstiles and occupied the place.</p>
<p>I keep saying this. What we are seeing is not about free speech or even political speech. It&#8217;s all about indiscipline. And it&#8217;s the same indiscipline that&#8217;s going to keep these kids from rising in society, and will keep their mortality rates jumping.</p>
<p>The illegal alien criminal thing is just extra credit. I have known immigrants all my life. My parents sponsored a Hungarian Refugee who fled the Soviet occupation there &#8211; I have Vietnamese and African in laws &#8211; These people came legally sometimes after waiting years to be let in and arriving with no intention of going back. They are very different from the Mexican Colonists who go &#8220;home&#8221; for Xmas and are recreating Mexico within our borders. So I&#8217;m not impressed by these &#8220;immigrants&#8221; who really aren&#8217;t &#8211; they are colonists.</p>
<p>Anyway, students belong in school and in school placed internships and jobs, not committing crimes in the street during school hours. And it&#8217;s noteworthy that they have no shame and no fear &#8211; for that their schools have failed them.</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it was a public policy &quot;line in the sand,&quot; NOT a racial one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it was a public policy &#8220;line in the sand,&#8221; NOT a racial one!</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This conversation is becoming too personal for my taste. Let&#039;s stick to the issues at hand, please. Also, for the record, it was John -- not Jose -- that made the remark about drawing &quot;a line in the sand.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation is becoming too personal for my taste. Let&#8217;s stick to the issues at hand, please. Also, for the record, it was John &#8212; not Jose &#8212; that made the remark about drawing &#8220;a line in the sand.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jose,
Drawing racial lines in the sand?  Being Mexican gives you no extra claim.  Your lack of empathy betrays you.  You may be registered Democrat, but you&#039;re well on your way to the Republican party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,<br />
Drawing racial lines in the sand?  Being Mexican gives you no extra claim.  Your lack of empathy betrays you.  You may be registered Democrat, but you&#8217;re well on your way to the Republican party.</p>
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