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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The lights should remain off at sunset.

First, Has anyone heard that the State is going broke?  Perhaps a few extra hundreds of dollars in cost savings during Standard Time months would be fiscally wise.

Second, Students have 2+ hours a day after school to practice &quot;on the field&quot; and should find ways to cross- train if any more training is necessary.  How about including in the extra practice running from Skyline to the bus stop down the hill near to Lincoln Square, which appears to be a hop-skip-and a jump away?

Third, I thought High School students started school early so they could leave early to get to some kind of afterschool job and/or community service project?

There are many ways to cross-train adopt a more flexible attitude rather than demanding it all their way -- this is not Burger King!!!

A few months of alternative working out and practicing is no big deal, consider Daylight Standard time has been extended as well.

I don&#039;t know how many Oaklanders like the idea of High School age students hanging around their home in any neighborhood.  I, for one don&#039;t want any of them hanging around my house, and neither would a single working mother in a gang-banger neighborhood.

This issue pops up intermittently to &quot;poke&quot; residents because of hate and anger over perceived socio-economic disparity and negativity embedded in the Oakland City culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lights should remain off at sunset.</p>
<p>First, Has anyone heard that the State is going broke?  Perhaps a few extra hundreds of dollars in cost savings during Standard Time months would be fiscally wise.</p>
<p>Second, Students have 2+ hours a day after school to practice &#8220;on the field&#8221; and should find ways to cross- train if any more training is necessary.  How about including in the extra practice running from Skyline to the bus stop down the hill near to Lincoln Square, which appears to be a hop-skip-and a jump away?</p>
<p>Third, I thought High School students started school early so they could leave early to get to some kind of afterschool job and/or community service project?</p>
<p>There are many ways to cross-train adopt a more flexible attitude rather than demanding it all their way &#8212; this is not Burger King!!!</p>
<p>A few months of alternative working out and practicing is no big deal, consider Daylight Standard time has been extended as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many Oaklanders like the idea of High School age students hanging around their home in any neighborhood.  I, for one don&#8217;t want any of them hanging around my house, and neither would a single working mother in a gang-banger neighborhood.</p>
<p>This issue pops up intermittently to &#8220;poke&#8221; residents because of hate and anger over perceived socio-economic disparity and negativity embedded in the Oakland City culture.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blogging stuff is amazing!!!!! Each day I check in I get more information and more of a sense of what is going on.  Anna says a lot when she admits her frustration at not being heard by OUSD or the school board.  I am going to call both parties and &quot;voice and opinion.&quot;   thank you.......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blogging stuff is amazing!!!!! Each day I check in I get more information and more of a sense of what is going on.  Anna says a lot when she admits her frustration at not being heard by OUSD or the school board.  I am going to call both parties and &#8220;voice and opinion.&#8221;   thank you&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Treadwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Treadwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I get angry &amp; emotional about this light issue, because I&#039;ve been fighting it for 6 yrs. now. I&#039;m tired because it&#039;s so simple. The lights were installed to be used, right? Let&#039;s use them. They cost a lot of money, why are they being wasted? You know there are teenagers from every social &amp; economic group involved in activities that are being made unsafe by these ridiculous restrictions. If the lights were on, NO ONE is being hurt. With the lights off, the possible damage are ruined dreams, limbs &amp; the knowledge that no one cared enough to put the children first. It&#039;s not about money, flatlands, hills, entitlement, personal opinion, etc. Its about the field at skyline has FOUR lts. like every other fld. &amp; they need to be on for the teenagers to be safe. I appreciate all the comments. Pls. contact the Oakland School Board, OUSD, etc. if you have the time &amp; voice your opinion, they haven&#039;t been listening to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I get angry &amp; emotional about this light issue, because I&#8217;ve been fighting it for 6 yrs. now. I&#8217;m tired because it&#8217;s so simple. The lights were installed to be used, right? Let&#8217;s use them. They cost a lot of money, why are they being wasted? You know there are teenagers from every social &amp; economic group involved in activities that are being made unsafe by these ridiculous restrictions. If the lights were on, NO ONE is being hurt. With the lights off, the possible damage are ruined dreams, limbs &amp; the knowledge that no one cared enough to put the children first. It&#8217;s not about money, flatlands, hills, entitlement, personal opinion, etc. Its about the field at skyline has FOUR lts. like every other fld. &amp; they need to be on for the teenagers to be safe. I appreciate all the comments. Pls. contact the Oakland School Board, OUSD, etc. if you have the time &amp; voice your opinion, they haven&#8217;t been listening to me.</p>
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		<title>By: skyline parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>skyline parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree that this is more about behavior and a few neighbors who do not want students in their neighborhood one minute longer than necessary. By restricting the lights, they hoped to restrict access to the school. I live nearby, and those lights (which are off fairly early) do not disturb anyone. And yes, there are often events at Head Royce with bright lights on at night, much closer even to nearby homes than Skyline is. The parents there create huge daily traffic jams on Lincoln, double parking and blocking the street. Somehow or another, there are no restrictions or even traffic enforcement. Hmmmm...

While it is clear that people in other neighborhoods care about issues, they have not restricted evening access by forcing legal agreements that restrict lighting and thereby activities. Is it a coincidence that the one neighborhood that has done so is affluent and the majority of the students do not live in the neighborhood? That is very unlikely.

While I think the Williams Act covers many things, unfortunately I don&#039;t think it covers extra-curricular activities. Sadly, it may be necessary for either the district (ha) or parents to hire an attorney to file an injunction against the agreement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that this is more about behavior and a few neighbors who do not want students in their neighborhood one minute longer than necessary. By restricting the lights, they hoped to restrict access to the school. I live nearby, and those lights (which are off fairly early) do not disturb anyone. And yes, there are often events at Head Royce with bright lights on at night, much closer even to nearby homes than Skyline is. The parents there create huge daily traffic jams on Lincoln, double parking and blocking the street. Somehow or another, there are no restrictions or even traffic enforcement. Hmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>While it is clear that people in other neighborhoods care about issues, they have not restricted evening access by forcing legal agreements that restrict lighting and thereby activities. Is it a coincidence that the one neighborhood that has done so is affluent and the majority of the students do not live in the neighborhood? That is very unlikely.</p>
<p>While I think the Williams Act covers many things, unfortunately I don&#8217;t think it covers extra-curricular activities. Sadly, it may be necessary for either the district (ha) or parents to hire an attorney to file an injunction against the agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Skyline teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skyline teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of those issues that isn&#039;t nearly as a complicated as folks are making it out to be. A few wealthy families who can afford lawyers are holding a community of several thousand students and their relatives hostage.

I suggest the parents of athletes pool some cash and hire a sympathetic lawyer to form a lobby group and sue for access based on the Williams Act and other equal opportunity laws. Booster clubs could lead the effort, along with coaches.

The only thing bureaucracies respond to these days is lawyers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of those issues that isn&#8217;t nearly as a complicated as folks are making it out to be. A few wealthy families who can afford lawyers are holding a community of several thousand students and their relatives hostage.</p>
<p>I suggest the parents of athletes pool some cash and hire a sympathetic lawyer to form a lobby group and sue for access based on the Williams Act and other equal opportunity laws. Booster clubs could lead the effort, along with coaches.</p>
<p>The only thing bureaucracies respond to these days is lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, I&#039;m hooked.  I just got a computer and I always wondered what &quot;blogging&quot; was. THAT is the main reason I Joined this conversation. Also, I really was confused at why the lights are not used as it seems NECESSARY-no discussion.  I don&#039;t like __REACTING- to anything I&#039;m reading here as that does not solve a problem. I appreciate many of the measured and reasonable remarks made and I hope more people put in reasoned responses.  I guess I reacted to the impllication that the size of $$$$$  DOES matter.  After rereading all the responses I feel very hopeful that most people do understand the centuries old tug of war between the &quot;HAVES&quot; and the &quot;HAVENOTS&quot;  MY strong impression is that the HAVES of today are the people who don&#039;t need a paycheck or inheritance to know &quot;the right thing&quot;,,,,,,,and I&#039;ll repeat....I think OUSD needs stronger leadership!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, I&#8217;m hooked.  I just got a computer and I always wondered what &#8220;blogging&#8221; was. THAT is the main reason I Joined this conversation. Also, I really was confused at why the lights are not used as it seems NECESSARY-no discussion.  I don&#8217;t like __REACTING- to anything I&#8217;m reading here as that does not solve a problem. I appreciate many of the measured and reasonable remarks made and I hope more people put in reasoned responses.  I guess I reacted to the impllication that the size of $$$$$  DOES matter.  After rereading all the responses I feel very hopeful that most people do understand the centuries old tug of war between the &#8220;HAVES&#8221; and the &#8220;HAVENOTS&#8221;  MY strong impression is that the HAVES of today are the people who don&#8217;t need a paycheck or inheritance to know &#8220;the right thing&#8221;,,,,,,,and I&#8217;ll repeat&#8230;.I think OUSD needs stronger leadership!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what is the real issue, a concern about teenage behavior or the annoyance of light? Perhaps it&#039;s both, but what is the split? Is it 50/50, or maybe more like 90/10? If it&#039;s mostly about behavior, people need to realize that teenagers from a wide range of social classes have the potential to cause big problems.

Last summer a large group of high school students from Piedmont decided to have a bonfire party late at night. The kids decided to hold it in the middle of Sequoia Arena, an equestrian facility in Oakland&#039;s Joaquin Miller Park, a heavily wooded area only 1.6 miles away from the neighborhood dealing with this lighting issue.

These &quot;smart&quot; kids (from a school district with an API of 919) held their midnight bonfire in the hills at the peak of our most extreme high fire season. To get firewood, they tore apart the fence that surrounds the horse arena. Not only was a portion of the fence destroyed, but burned wood and nails were left in the sand (dangerous for horses). The only way park management learned who the kids were is because in their drunken state they had thrown their chairs in the fire, too, complete with ID tags that happened not to burn. I imagine that the City of Oakland was able to receive some recovery for their losses, probably from the well-off parents via their attorneys.

This entire incident happened very quietly and didn&#039;t get any press. Just sit back and try to imagine what the response would have been if the kids were from Oakland&#039;s flatlands instead. Privilege buys a lot.

The potential harm to the hills community from that single activity outweighs anything Skyline athletes could do by being allowed to jump over well-lit hurdles in November, and then waiting at the corner for their rides home.

When people wear blinders, they&#039;re vulnerable to missing a number of dangerous things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what is the real issue, a concern about teenage behavior or the annoyance of light? Perhaps it&#8217;s both, but what is the split? Is it 50/50, or maybe more like 90/10? If it&#8217;s mostly about behavior, people need to realize that teenagers from a wide range of social classes have the potential to cause big problems.</p>
<p>Last summer a large group of high school students from Piedmont decided to have a bonfire party late at night. The kids decided to hold it in the middle of Sequoia Arena, an equestrian facility in Oakland&#8217;s Joaquin Miller Park, a heavily wooded area only 1.6 miles away from the neighborhood dealing with this lighting issue.</p>
<p>These &#8220;smart&#8221; kids (from a school district with an API of 919) held their midnight bonfire in the hills at the peak of our most extreme high fire season. To get firewood, they tore apart the fence that surrounds the horse arena. Not only was a portion of the fence destroyed, but burned wood and nails were left in the sand (dangerous for horses). The only way park management learned who the kids were is because in their drunken state they had thrown their chairs in the fire, too, complete with ID tags that happened not to burn. I imagine that the City of Oakland was able to receive some recovery for their losses, probably from the well-off parents via their attorneys.</p>
<p>This entire incident happened very quietly and didn&#8217;t get any press. Just sit back and try to imagine what the response would have been if the kids were from Oakland&#8217;s flatlands instead. Privilege buys a lot.</p>
<p>The potential harm to the hills community from that single activity outweighs anything Skyline athletes could do by being allowed to jump over well-lit hurdles in November, and then waiting at the corner for their rides home.</p>
<p>When people wear blinders, they&#8217;re vulnerable to missing a number of dangerous things.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just watch the school board meeting reruns on KDOL and/or City Council meeting and see how many neighbors have complained over the past 10 years about nuisances going on at the schools and parks in their neighborhoods - fire alarms over the weekend for one and the fact that their is no follow-up or enforcement, and those people end up feeling the same way these people in the Hillcrest Estates area apparently feel.

I am a flatland resident--not a Hillcrest Estates neighbor.  I have watched many times people targeting &quot;Hill&quot; people with what is really anger and resentment over access to working and non-working wealth.  I suspect that the &quot;breaches&quot; are part of that misplaced anger and resentment, but not justification to bully and harass anyone.

Just because someone lives in the Hillcrest Estates area doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they are ALL monied and have connections--yet they do ALL have needs, and like any community, they have a right to express those needs and then have agreements respected and enforced.

To me this just sounds like an extension of the workplace bullying dynamics going on about how adults in this City do not have mutual respect for eachother and their needs--that someone can be disrespected because their needs are not thought to be worthy of being respected because they are rich and/or homeowners in a wealthy area--if that is the truth at all about those people in Hillcrest Estates.

Sounds to me like all this barking is to escalate hostility and try to inflame others--of some kind of Drama going on all the time--ultimately to disturb the peace and serenity of the neighborhood every so often.

If you really take a look at any neighborhood of Oakland, most people are just as passionate about their needs and the expectation of enforcement.

You all need to hire a professional mediator to stop this kind of conduct on both sides of the issue.

As far as Obama&#039;s concerned:  Why did he appoint Arne Duncan as US Secretary of Education?  Why don&#039;t you read what everyone is saying about that and see just what kind of team work is coming next. You won&#039;t have one ounce of input into whether or not those school lights go on or off or whatever else you want to bring up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watch the school board meeting reruns on KDOL and/or City Council meeting and see how many neighbors have complained over the past 10 years about nuisances going on at the schools and parks in their neighborhoods &#8211; fire alarms over the weekend for one and the fact that their is no follow-up or enforcement, and those people end up feeling the same way these people in the Hillcrest Estates area apparently feel.</p>
<p>I am a flatland resident&#8211;not a Hillcrest Estates neighbor.  I have watched many times people targeting &#8220;Hill&#8221; people with what is really anger and resentment over access to working and non-working wealth.  I suspect that the &#8220;breaches&#8221; are part of that misplaced anger and resentment, but not justification to bully and harass anyone.</p>
<p>Just because someone lives in the Hillcrest Estates area doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they are ALL monied and have connections&#8211;yet they do ALL have needs, and like any community, they have a right to express those needs and then have agreements respected and enforced.</p>
<p>To me this just sounds like an extension of the workplace bullying dynamics going on about how adults in this City do not have mutual respect for eachother and their needs&#8211;that someone can be disrespected because their needs are not thought to be worthy of being respected because they are rich and/or homeowners in a wealthy area&#8211;if that is the truth at all about those people in Hillcrest Estates.</p>
<p>Sounds to me like all this barking is to escalate hostility and try to inflame others&#8211;of some kind of Drama going on all the time&#8211;ultimately to disturb the peace and serenity of the neighborhood every so often.</p>
<p>If you really take a look at any neighborhood of Oakland, most people are just as passionate about their needs and the expectation of enforcement.</p>
<p>You all need to hire a professional mediator to stop this kind of conduct on both sides of the issue.</p>
<p>As far as Obama&#8217;s concerned:  Why did he appoint Arne Duncan as US Secretary of Education?  Why don&#8217;t you read what everyone is saying about that and see just what kind of team work is coming next. You won&#8217;t have one ounce of input into whether or not those school lights go on or off or whatever else you want to bring up.</p>
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		<title>By: redwoodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>redwoodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a huge attitude of entitlement and I bet it would be a differnt story if the campus was a toney private school and not a public school. Imagine if it was Head Royce players getting their legs broken or standing around in the dark waiting for rides- the place would be lit up like the Mormon temple.
The darkness is important for wildlife in the area but using lights for practice and having them off by 7 or 8 pm is no different than summer when it does not get dark till 9.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge attitude of entitlement and I bet it would be a differnt story if the campus was a toney private school and not a public school. Imagine if it was Head Royce players getting their legs broken or standing around in the dark waiting for rides- the place would be lit up like the Mormon temple.<br />
The darkness is important for wildlife in the area but using lights for practice and having them off by 7 or 8 pm is no different than summer when it does not get dark till 9.</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand what &quot;nancy&quot; is talking about. How does &quot;less economic status&quot; and kids running track in the dark relate?  Things DO sound contentious between the Homeowners and Skyline. OUSD has a lot of negative press. I admire the people who stick it out as teachers and supporters.  In the meantime, where is the leadership to deal with neighbors who feel money can buy them something that is not for sale, i,e. safety in an environment that is positive for the growth and maturing of our high school population.   Hmmmm, is it me? or do the neighbors push more power than they deserve? Thank you for making this news available to those of us in the flatlands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what &#8220;nancy&#8221; is talking about. How does &#8220;less economic status&#8221; and kids running track in the dark relate?  Things DO sound contentious between the Homeowners and Skyline. OUSD has a lot of negative press. I admire the people who stick it out as teachers and supporters.  In the meantime, where is the leadership to deal with neighbors who feel money can buy them something that is not for sale, i,e. safety in an environment that is positive for the growth and maturing of our high school population.   Hmmmm, is it me? or do the neighbors push more power than they deserve? Thank you for making this news available to those of us in the flatlands.</p>
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