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		<title>By: Ericha Parks</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/03/18/charter-school-debate-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19991</link>
		<dc:creator>Ericha Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have filed an investigation report about charter schools.  This piece examines &quot;start up&quot; charter schools.  There is some shocking information that everyone must read before making a decision about charter schools. Cut and paste this link. Ericha Parks
http://www.examiner.com/x-5067-LA-School-District-Examiner~y2009m3d16-California-Beware-of-education-recovery-claims-by-start-up-charter-schools]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have filed an investigation report about charter schools.  This piece examines &#8220;start up&#8221; charter schools.  There is some shocking information that everyone must read before making a decision about charter schools. Cut and paste this link. Ericha Parks<br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-5067-LA-School-District-Examiner~y2009m3d16-California-Beware-of-education-recovery-claims-by-start-up-charter-schools" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/x-5067-LA-School-District-Examiner~y2009m3d16-California-Beware-of-education-recovery-claims-by-start-up-charter-schools</a></p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/03/18/charter-school-debate-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19990</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t mean to point the finger at a struggling school so much as to single out the bizarre, ongoing press puffery that misleads so many people (President Obama!) into thinking that charter schools are the miracle that will save public education. Actually, as anyone who pays attention knows, they don&#039;t outperform public schools, and range from excellent to foundering. (Again, Katy is exempt from this criticism, as are the San Francisco Chronicle&#039;s current education reporters.)

Charter schools were originally intended to be community-run -- created and maintained by parents, teachers, etc. But it&#039;s really hard to operate a school, so organizations such as KIPP, Envision, Edison, Aspire, etc. seem to wind up running most of them. They function as unelected school boards, answerable to no one and entirely undemocratic. And that&#039;s without even getting into the grand plans of the Billionaire Boys&#039; Club for imposing their own plans on our public education system.

The original vision behind the charter school concept has been corrupted by these interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to point the finger at a struggling school so much as to single out the bizarre, ongoing press puffery that misleads so many people (President Obama!) into thinking that charter schools are the miracle that will save public education. Actually, as anyone who pays attention knows, they don&#8217;t outperform public schools, and range from excellent to foundering. (Again, Katy is exempt from this criticism, as are the San Francisco Chronicle&#8217;s current education reporters.)</p>
<p>Charter schools were originally intended to be community-run &#8212; created and maintained by parents, teachers, etc. But it&#8217;s really hard to operate a school, so organizations such as KIPP, Envision, Edison, Aspire, etc. seem to wind up running most of them. They function as unelected school boards, answerable to no one and entirely undemocratic. And that&#8217;s without even getting into the grand plans of the Billionaire Boys&#8217; Club for imposing their own plans on our public education system.</p>
<p>The original vision behind the charter school concept has been corrupted by these interests.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/03/18/charter-school-debate-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19989</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete,
    I see the situation from a rather unique perspective(I would like to keep that to myself), and I just hate to see teachers incessantly bashed with all these generalized accusations. The MAJORITY of teachers out there(especially the new ones that are NCLB compliant)are dedicated,highly trained,highly educated professionals who are very well aware that they have a public trust, and hold our future as a nation in their hands(teaching the youth of America is a very serious responsibility). There are so many half truths out there that people hold the mistaken perception that our school system is garbage, and that is just not true. If a particular state has very high standards in their curriculum(as does California)the data may be deceiving until you break the numbers down.

Like this chart for instance:

http://www.hoover.org/publications/ednext/18845034.html

Then you must take into consideration how diverse California is as compared to other states, we teach a lot more EL students than any other state, and so on.

Are we perfect? NO, definately not, but these teachers are doing a very good job, while getting trashed in the media every day(this has resulted in a false public perception).If you repeat a lie enough times, it is treated as if it is the truth, and that can never be allowed to happen in the best country in the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,<br />
    I see the situation from a rather unique perspective(I would like to keep that to myself), and I just hate to see teachers incessantly bashed with all these generalized accusations. The MAJORITY of teachers out there(especially the new ones that are NCLB compliant)are dedicated,highly trained,highly educated professionals who are very well aware that they have a public trust, and hold our future as a nation in their hands(teaching the youth of America is a very serious responsibility). There are so many half truths out there that people hold the mistaken perception that our school system is garbage, and that is just not true. If a particular state has very high standards in their curriculum(as does California)the data may be deceiving until you break the numbers down.</p>
<p>Like this chart for instance:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hoover.org/publications/ednext/18845034.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoover.org/publications/ednext/18845034.html</a></p>
<p>Then you must take into consideration how diverse California is as compared to other states, we teach a lot more EL students than any other state, and so on.</p>
<p>Are we perfect? NO, definately not, but these teachers are doing a very good job, while getting trashed in the media every day(this has resulted in a false public perception).If you repeat a lie enough times, it is treated as if it is the truth, and that can never be allowed to happen in the best country in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose, former student</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/03/18/charter-school-debate-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19988</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose, former student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pete, concerned parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete, concerned parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JR,

You are so right!  That is exactly why the traditional schools do badly.  I agree with you 100%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR,</p>
<p>You are so right!  That is exactly why the traditional schools do badly.  I agree with you 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: aly</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/03/18/charter-school-debate-take-2/comment-page-1/#comment-19986</link>
		<dc:creator>aly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[caroline: you are right. i was generalizing, and it is not at all true that all charters are awesome. i am thinking of select schools that i&#039;ve visited and have experience with, particularly the aspire schools.

aviation is struggling, as are many others. i will admit that i don&#039;t like pointing the finger at struggling charters because with our public schools having a difficult time keeping up, it seems unfair to call the kettle black.

the charter schools that seem to do the best with their kids- and in ways beyond test scores- are the ones that are linked to established families of schools. aspire, kipp, and leadership schools (not related to the leadership high at castlemont) come to mind as having created successful frameworks that support the whole child and are also generally accepting of most children- special ed, english language learners, all colors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>caroline: you are right. i was generalizing, and it is not at all true that all charters are awesome. i am thinking of select schools that i&#8217;ve visited and have experience with, particularly the aspire schools.</p>
<p>aviation is struggling, as are many others. i will admit that i don&#8217;t like pointing the finger at struggling charters because with our public schools having a difficult time keeping up, it seems unfair to call the kettle black.</p>
<p>the charter schools that seem to do the best with their kids- and in ways beyond test scores- are the ones that are linked to established families of schools. aspire, kipp, and leadership schools (not related to the leadership high at castlemont) come to mind as having created successful frameworks that support the whole child and are also generally accepting of most children- special ed, english language learners, all colors.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’ve used the most recent figures available on DataQuest to compare charter school enrollment for grades 9-12 with OUSD’s district wide enrollment. When I get time, I’ll find the figures for OUSD’s regular high schools.

CHARTER (9-12) VS. DISTRICT

PERCENT ENROLLMENT BY ETHNICITY 2008-09
African American: 28.6 vs. 34.8.
Asian: 6.9 vs. 13.4
Latino: 56.6 vs. 37.3
White: 2.5 vs. 6.5
Multiple or no response: 3.6 vs. 5.8

PERCENT ENROLLMENT FOR OTHER SUBGROUPS 2008-09
Socioeconomic disadvantage: 68.5 vs. 64.0
English Learners: 21.8 vs. 30.0
Students w/disabilities: 2.6 vs. 10.0

The district-wide API for students w/disabilities is 470. The district-wide API for all students is 674. If regular OUSD schools have approximately 3.8 times the number of students w/disabilities that charters do, take a wild guess at how their API’s will be affected.

The charter schools which have a total of 2247 students in grades 9-12 for this school year (12710 total in district) are American Indian Public HS, Arise HS, Bay Tech, East Oakland Leadership Academy, Lighthouse Comm. Charter HS, LPS College Park, Millsmont Academy Secondary, Oakland Aviation HS, Oakland Charter Academy High, Oakland Military Institute College Prep, Oakland School for the Arts, Oakland Unity High, Oasis High, and Wilson College Prep. I didn’t include Civicorp Academy, an ungraded, high school recovery program for ages 18-24.

American Indian Public HS, Arise HS, Oakland Charter Academy High, and Oasis High had zero students w/disabilities according to DataQuest&#039;s most recent STAR reporting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve used the most recent figures available on DataQuest to compare charter school enrollment for grades 9-12 with OUSD’s district wide enrollment. When I get time, I’ll find the figures for OUSD’s regular high schools.</p>
<p>CHARTER (9-12) VS. DISTRICT</p>
<p>PERCENT ENROLLMENT BY ETHNICITY 2008-09<br />
African American: 28.6 vs. 34.8.<br />
Asian: 6.9 vs. 13.4<br />
Latino: 56.6 vs. 37.3<br />
White: 2.5 vs. 6.5<br />
Multiple or no response: 3.6 vs. 5.8</p>
<p>PERCENT ENROLLMENT FOR OTHER SUBGROUPS 2008-09<br />
Socioeconomic disadvantage: 68.5 vs. 64.0<br />
English Learners: 21.8 vs. 30.0<br />
Students w/disabilities: 2.6 vs. 10.0</p>
<p>The district-wide API for students w/disabilities is 470. The district-wide API for all students is 674. If regular OUSD schools have approximately 3.8 times the number of students w/disabilities that charters do, take a wild guess at how their API’s will be affected.</p>
<p>The charter schools which have a total of 2247 students in grades 9-12 for this school year (12710 total in district) are American Indian Public HS, Arise HS, Bay Tech, East Oakland Leadership Academy, Lighthouse Comm. Charter HS, LPS College Park, Millsmont Academy Secondary, Oakland Aviation HS, Oakland Charter Academy High, Oakland Military Institute College Prep, Oakland School for the Arts, Oakland Unity High, Oasis High, and Wilson College Prep. I didn’t include Civicorp Academy, an ungraded, high school recovery program for ages 18-24.</p>
<p>American Indian Public HS, Arise HS, Oakland Charter Academy High, and Oasis High had zero students w/disabilities according to DataQuest&#8217;s most recent STAR reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dobbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Dobbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Everyone,

Thanks to all for being in attendance that evening.  We had over 80 people in the audience and I believe some important issues were raised.  We are planning to have a follow-up debate/discussion sometime in May.  In terms of Dr. Chavis, he apologized (and I announced that evening) that since he was friends with two of the officers, he attended their memorial instead.  He will definitely be at the next debate in May.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everyone,</p>
<p>Thanks to all for being in attendance that evening.  We had over 80 people in the audience and I believe some important issues were raised.  We are planning to have a follow-up debate/discussion sometime in May.  In terms of Dr. Chavis, he apologized (and I announced that evening) that since he was friends with two of the officers, he attended their memorial instead.  He will definitely be at the next debate in May.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to be fair and balanced,I have a gripe with traditional schools on a few issues
1.The education system has more layers than an onion(why do we need state,county, and local superintendents(and asst. supes).
2.Principals should have the autonomy to make their schools run better(the ability to discipline and if necessary fire sub-standard teachers.
3.Principals need more latitude in the area of corporal punishment for habitually undisciplined disobedient children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be fair and balanced,I have a gripe with traditional schools on a few issues<br />
1.The education system has more layers than an onion(why do we need state,county, and local superintendents(and asst. supes).<br />
2.Principals should have the autonomy to make their schools run better(the ability to discipline and if necessary fire sub-standard teachers.<br />
3.Principals need more latitude in the area of corporal punishment for habitually undisciplined disobedient children.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aly, your information is really valuable, but actually this isn&#039;t necessarily true:

i absolutely will not deny that the quality of the education at the charter schools is awesome.

Despite all that creaming, the bountiful checks from the Billionaire Boys&#039; Club, the support of the well-funded charter establishment in other ways, and the puffy press they so often get (present company excepted, Katy), many charters are very unsuccessful academically, and their test scores show it.

It&#039;s not really amusing, for example, but my attention was caught a few years ago by a gushing piece in the San Francisco Chronicle on that aviation charter school in Oakland. The school hadn&#039;t opened yet, but the reporter predicted that it would be an academic success, and quoted a future student who said he expected to do very well there in the future. (The possibilities this opens up to news reporting on events that haven&#039;t happened yet are intriguing...) The outrageousness of that news reporting struck me so forcefully that I haevn&#039;t forgotten it, so I did look up the school, and to stick with the aviation metaphor, its test scores have crashed and burned. (Hmm, I wonder if the former reporter now works for the wealthier-than-God charter school industry, a route other education reporters have taken.)

anyway, just need to dispel the notion that charter schools are doing so great. Overall, they do no better than traditional public schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aly, your information is really valuable, but actually this isn&#8217;t necessarily true:</p>
<p>i absolutely will not deny that the quality of the education at the charter schools is awesome.</p>
<p>Despite all that creaming, the bountiful checks from the Billionaire Boys&#8217; Club, the support of the well-funded charter establishment in other ways, and the puffy press they so often get (present company excepted, Katy), many charters are very unsuccessful academically, and their test scores show it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really amusing, for example, but my attention was caught a few years ago by a gushing piece in the San Francisco Chronicle on that aviation charter school in Oakland. The school hadn&#8217;t opened yet, but the reporter predicted that it would be an academic success, and quoted a future student who said he expected to do very well there in the future. (The possibilities this opens up to news reporting on events that haven&#8217;t happened yet are intriguing&#8230;) The outrageousness of that news reporting struck me so forcefully that I haevn&#8217;t forgotten it, so I did look up the school, and to stick with the aviation metaphor, its test scores have crashed and burned. (Hmm, I wonder if the former reporter now works for the wealthier-than-God charter school industry, a route other education reporters have taken.)</p>
<p>anyway, just need to dispel the notion that charter schools are doing so great. Overall, they do no better than traditional public schools.</p>
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