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	<title>Comments on: Oakland kids, a school performance, and song of police brutality: Too soon?</title>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta say, Nextset, that is well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, Nextset, that is well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cranky:  I posted something that seems to have become lost after your post # 22.  I said something about Katy doing a good job and the problem I react so strongly to is OUSD teaching Indiscipline to kids that need discipline to survive. It might have seemed I was reacting to you - or blaming you for the syndrome.

And I thought about that, I don&#039;t want to personalize any of this - I speak towards school policy and what needs to change at OUSD and black dominated &quot;schools&quot; like OUSD.

Katy is right about timing. My anger in this whole situation is the constant push on the Oakland school kids to identify with loser underclass figures instead of being taught to disidentify. They (the black schoolkids) won&#039;t have a chance in this Brave New World because people are ready, willing and quite able to protect themselves from the underclass and &quot;people&quot; includes every traffic cop, store clerk and employer even in Oakland.

The schools promote bad thinking and indiscipline and turn out these babes in the woods. And the babes are taught to be very loud as they make their way in the woods. everybody can hear them coming in case they need a reminder to get the knives and forks ready.

So we don&#039;t need any expressions from these kids until they get their heads straight about how life is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky:  I posted something that seems to have become lost after your post # 22.  I said something about Katy doing a good job and the problem I react so strongly to is OUSD teaching Indiscipline to kids that need discipline to survive. It might have seemed I was reacting to you &#8211; or blaming you for the syndrome.</p>
<p>And I thought about that, I don&#8217;t want to personalize any of this &#8211; I speak towards school policy and what needs to change at OUSD and black dominated &#8220;schools&#8221; like OUSD.</p>
<p>Katy is right about timing. My anger in this whole situation is the constant push on the Oakland school kids to identify with loser underclass figures instead of being taught to disidentify. They (the black schoolkids) won&#8217;t have a chance in this Brave New World because people are ready, willing and quite able to protect themselves from the underclass and &#8220;people&#8221; includes every traffic cop, store clerk and employer even in Oakland.</p>
<p>The schools promote bad thinking and indiscipline and turn out these babes in the woods. And the babes are taught to be very loud as they make their way in the woods. everybody can hear them coming in case they need a reminder to get the knives and forks ready.</p>
<p>So we don&#8217;t need any expressions from these kids until they get their heads straight about how life is.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;This event had nothing to do with the cops, right? It wasn’t a memorial or anything?

Then why are you linking them?&quot;

In short: timing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This event had nothing to do with the cops, right? It wasn’t a memorial or anything?</p>
<p>Then why are you linking them?&#8221;</p>
<p>In short: timing.</p>
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		<title>By: cranky teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You threw them red meat, Katy.

This event had nothing to do with the cops, right? It wasn&#039;t a memorial or anything?

Then why are you linking them? I think you&#039;re making something out of nothing.

When teen students in flatland Oakland are invited to express themselves creatively, you better be ready for some painful or even ugly stuff. Can&#039;t have it both ways.

And yes, being threatened or intimidated by cops is part of their reality, whether those cops are crooked or just doing their very difficult job.

There are plenty of kids in the hood trying to keep their noses clean and some of them get pretty upset when they are treated like criminals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You threw them red meat, Katy.</p>
<p>This event had nothing to do with the cops, right? It wasn&#8217;t a memorial or anything?</p>
<p>Then why are you linking them? I think you&#8217;re making something out of nothing.</p>
<p>When teen students in flatland Oakland are invited to express themselves creatively, you better be ready for some painful or even ugly stuff. Can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>And yes, being threatened or intimidated by cops is part of their reality, whether those cops are crooked or just doing their very difficult job.</p>
<p>There are plenty of kids in the hood trying to keep their noses clean and some of them get pretty upset when they are treated like criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teacher Katy! Harlemmoon&#039;s teasing me and not being constructive or nice. Make him stop!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teacher Katy! Harlemmoon&#8217;s teasing me and not being constructive or nice. Make him stop!</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Katy.
Now, Johnny, go outside and play with the rest of the school children! Go on, now. Scoot!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Katy.<br />
Now, Johnny, go outside and play with the rest of the school children! Go on, now. Scoot!</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just irresponsible...and after all we have been through this year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just irresponsible&#8230;and after all we have been through this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friendly reminder: This forum is about debating the issues. Please keep it constructive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friendly reminder: This forum is about debating the issues. Please keep it constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harlemmoon, you’re referring to me as “Dearest John,” followed by “it would be deliciously tempting,” gave me a bit of a nervous twitter until coming to that part about “foregoing your desire.”  Whew!  You’re right Harlemmoon, I should read (your) comments in their entirety before pouncing “apelike” [ape like] on a conclusion better suited to the agenda of a ‘social connecting’ site.

I’m exhaustively familiar with your fashionable brand of holistic feel good education doctrine and therefore a bit energy challenged about “pouncing on” your second hand “insights.” However, the cuteness of your comments has motivated my paternal instincts.  I will therefore admonish you NOT to “punch crater-size holes” through “leaky reasoning.”  Perhaps, after much reflection you’ll understand the futility of punching holes in something you perceive to be “leaking.”

You are correct in your observation that “schools are more than just bricks and morter [mortar],” and it’s time for you to learn more.  If per chance you qualify at some point to attend BIG SCHOOL (college) enroll in a logic course, take two aspirin, and get back to us in four years when your ideas and thinking have become “whole” and accomplish more than making stupid space in cyber space.  Blast off Harlemmoon!

Disclaimer:  The above comments should not be construed as an effort to restrict your right to free speech or make a fool of yourself through the reiteration of fashionably ignorant ideas and comments.

DAVE! I&#039;m so sorry.  I had absolutely no idea that you have a graduate degree and are employed as a &quot;successful OUSD high school teacher.&quot;
In light of your comment that &quot;the right-wing in this country has nothing new to offer&quot; perhaps you could take Harlemmoon under your broken left wing and help him become twice as successful and distinguished as you&#039;ve become?  At least it would be a good poor start.

As you say, &quot;Oakland is a great city that has problems just like any other city.&quot;  I&#039;ve certainly observed plenty of problems in my new city, after living in Oakland for fifty-five years!  Just yesterday someone parked in a red zone and got severely ticked by the local police.  The car was black and, consistent with my Oakland training we are now organizing radical members of my new city to protest the &quot;stereotyping&quot; of black cars!

I&#039;d attend the protest myself if it weren&#039;t for all the local crime perpetrated by jay walkers, people spitting on sidewalks, and other criminals who roam the streets of my new Metropolis, point well taken Dave!

P.S. Have you and Harlemmoon ever considered becoming playmates?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harlemmoon, you’re referring to me as “Dearest John,” followed by “it would be deliciously tempting,” gave me a bit of a nervous twitter until coming to that part about “foregoing your desire.”  Whew!  You’re right Harlemmoon, I should read (your) comments in their entirety before pouncing “apelike” [ape like] on a conclusion better suited to the agenda of a ‘social connecting’ site.</p>
<p>I’m exhaustively familiar with your fashionable brand of holistic feel good education doctrine and therefore a bit energy challenged about “pouncing on” your second hand “insights.” However, the cuteness of your comments has motivated my paternal instincts.  I will therefore admonish you NOT to “punch crater-size holes” through “leaky reasoning.”  Perhaps, after much reflection you’ll understand the futility of punching holes in something you perceive to be “leaking.”</p>
<p>You are correct in your observation that “schools are more than just bricks and morter [mortar],” and it’s time for you to learn more.  If per chance you qualify at some point to attend BIG SCHOOL (college) enroll in a logic course, take two aspirin, and get back to us in four years when your ideas and thinking have become “whole” and accomplish more than making stupid space in cyber space.  Blast off Harlemmoon!</p>
<p>Disclaimer:  The above comments should not be construed as an effort to restrict your right to free speech or make a fool of yourself through the reiteration of fashionably ignorant ideas and comments.</p>
<p>DAVE! I&#8217;m so sorry.  I had absolutely no idea that you have a graduate degree and are employed as a &#8220;successful OUSD high school teacher.&#8221;<br />
In light of your comment that &#8220;the right-wing in this country has nothing new to offer&#8221; perhaps you could take Harlemmoon under your broken left wing and help him become twice as successful and distinguished as you&#8217;ve become?  At least it would be a good poor start.</p>
<p>As you say, &#8220;Oakland is a great city that has problems just like any other city.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve certainly observed plenty of problems in my new city, after living in Oakland for fifty-five years!  Just yesterday someone parked in a red zone and got severely ticked by the local police.  The car was black and, consistent with my Oakland training we are now organizing radical members of my new city to protest the &#8220;stereotyping&#8221; of black cars!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d attend the protest myself if it weren&#8217;t for all the local crime perpetrated by jay walkers, people spitting on sidewalks, and other criminals who roam the streets of my new Metropolis, point well taken Dave!</p>
<p>P.S. Have you and Harlemmoon ever considered becoming playmates?</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine:  If you reported it hopefully the report helped stop these people. It&#039;s usually a good idea to report to the IRS/treasury as well as the local Police Vice/Narcotics/intelligence section.

The other thing for the bank to do is to close all the accounts of the customers who appear to be involved in crime and laundering the money at the bank. There is an old rule about &quot;know your customer&quot;.  If the customers are bring in inexplicable money the bank may and should choose not to deal with such a person. Many banks nowadays don&#039;t care if they are being used to facilitate crime. They should care.

Of course the dead men left children to (likely) unwed mothers. Reproduction is a primary biological urge of psychopaths.  You can be a criminal who is not psychopathic (or is low on that scale) but the feral ones as a matter of course are psychopathic. They will not be raising/support their many bio-children. And those children are at risk to become psychopaths - there is reason to believe it can follow a mutation that runs in families. (Attachment disorders can be induced also.)

Among the more obvious traits of a psychopath is that they cannot develop empathy or emotional attachments to persons, places or things. They drive their cars without ever changing oil, their pets die or run away to save themselves, they harm/neglect their normal objects of affection such as family, sex partners, pets and children, drift from place to place without forming attachments to places (one reason why &quot;drifters&quot; are always considered dangerous), they neglect their own health because they really don&#039;t care - they can have bad teeth and by age 45 they may look 70 if they even live that long (Psychopaths are at risk for premature death). They lie as a primary process even when the truth wouldn&#039;t be a problem. The list goes on.

These are the people the police spend a disproportionate amount of time fighting and cleaning up after. Quickly the cops learn to recognize them even in casual encounters. And the cops know better than the public how very dangerous these people are - because they don&#039;t care about ANYTHING including themselves. Experts can often identify these people as children.

So is the cops accidently shoot one while reaching for a Taser to subdue a psychopath, that&#039;s just the breaks for the psychopath. These things happen across the country during struggles with paychopaths. It was an accident, of course.

And the students want to identify with the psychopath and take time from their studies and demonstrate... Not in any school I run. I would be teaching to disidentify with antisocials, not to identify with them. And it&#039;s more important that the black kids learn this because they are more at risk for getting hurt dabbling with antisocials. In very short doses antisocials are fun, charming, exciting, seductive, needy and never boring. Kind of like the Black Panthers, the SLA, the Bakery Gang and the rest of the Bay Area Psychopathic Party crowd. And they probably can BBQ also.

Brave New World]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine:  If you reported it hopefully the report helped stop these people. It&#8217;s usually a good idea to report to the IRS/treasury as well as the local Police Vice/Narcotics/intelligence section.</p>
<p>The other thing for the bank to do is to close all the accounts of the customers who appear to be involved in crime and laundering the money at the bank. There is an old rule about &#8220;know your customer&#8221;.  If the customers are bring in inexplicable money the bank may and should choose not to deal with such a person. Many banks nowadays don&#8217;t care if they are being used to facilitate crime. They should care.</p>
<p>Of course the dead men left children to (likely) unwed mothers. Reproduction is a primary biological urge of psychopaths.  You can be a criminal who is not psychopathic (or is low on that scale) but the feral ones as a matter of course are psychopathic. They will not be raising/support their many bio-children. And those children are at risk to become psychopaths &#8211; there is reason to believe it can follow a mutation that runs in families. (Attachment disorders can be induced also.)</p>
<p>Among the more obvious traits of a psychopath is that they cannot develop empathy or emotional attachments to persons, places or things. They drive their cars without ever changing oil, their pets die or run away to save themselves, they harm/neglect their normal objects of affection such as family, sex partners, pets and children, drift from place to place without forming attachments to places (one reason why &#8220;drifters&#8221; are always considered dangerous), they neglect their own health because they really don&#8217;t care &#8211; they can have bad teeth and by age 45 they may look 70 if they even live that long (Psychopaths are at risk for premature death). They lie as a primary process even when the truth wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. The list goes on.</p>
<p>These are the people the police spend a disproportionate amount of time fighting and cleaning up after. Quickly the cops learn to recognize them even in casual encounters. And the cops know better than the public how very dangerous these people are &#8211; because they don&#8217;t care about ANYTHING including themselves. Experts can often identify these people as children.</p>
<p>So is the cops accidently shoot one while reaching for a Taser to subdue a psychopath, that&#8217;s just the breaks for the psychopath. These things happen across the country during struggles with paychopaths. It was an accident, of course.</p>
<p>And the students want to identify with the psychopath and take time from their studies and demonstrate&#8230; Not in any school I run. I would be teaching to disidentify with antisocials, not to identify with them. And it&#8217;s more important that the black kids learn this because they are more at risk for getting hurt dabbling with antisocials. In very short doses antisocials are fun, charming, exciting, seductive, needy and never boring. Kind of like the Black Panthers, the SLA, the Bakery Gang and the rest of the Bay Area Psychopathic Party crowd. And they probably can BBQ also.</p>
<p>Brave New World</p>
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