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		<title>By: Cranky researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/05/20/so-who-will-it-be/comment-page-1/#comment-20801</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a huge debate among experts about the relative influence on low academic performance of poverty on the one hand (parents, language, health, etc), and the schools on the other (quality of teaching, services, etc).  There is a lot of compelling data that schools can make up for a great deal, if not most, of the achievement gap that first originates outside of the schools. Ed Trust West lists a lot of this research on their web site. Estimates include that if a poor, minority student had a top tier teacher for 4 years in a row, the achievement gap would disappear. The undeniable fact is that there are many many schools where poor black and brown students do just as well in testing and college-going as white and asian students. These schools&#039; success cannot be entirely written off as a selection bias -- ie, students have to apply to a charter and therefore only the better supported students go -- that is accounted for in studies, and only explains a minor proportion of the very big improvement these schools (some charter, some district) make over other, more typical public schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge debate among experts about the relative influence on low academic performance of poverty on the one hand (parents, language, health, etc), and the schools on the other (quality of teaching, services, etc).  There is a lot of compelling data that schools can make up for a great deal, if not most, of the achievement gap that first originates outside of the schools. Ed Trust West lists a lot of this research on their web site. Estimates include that if a poor, minority student had a top tier teacher for 4 years in a row, the achievement gap would disappear. The undeniable fact is that there are many many schools where poor black and brown students do just as well in testing and college-going as white and asian students. These schools&#8217; success cannot be entirely written off as a selection bias &#8212; ie, students have to apply to a charter and therefore only the better supported students go &#8212; that is accounted for in studies, and only explains a minor proportion of the very big improvement these schools (some charter, some district) make over other, more typical public schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 13:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine:  Your earlier post seems to imply that the schools can keep lower class parents from being &quot;lower class&quot;. Are you saying that our public school system should endeavor to change the entire family of the underclass children? Isn&#039;t it more appropriate to take them as they are are design programs accordingly?

From my experience, people generally like what they are and have no intention at all of changing. Besides, in this Brave New World we have created for ourselves in CA we are about to terminate the state&#039;s low income children&#039;s medical plan in order to attempt to balance the budget - there will be no money for social programs in the schools and in fact the public schools are about to get massive budget cuts and layoffs.

I&#039;m afraid that by delusional programming we will continue to lose the brights that do exist within the public school constituientcy that could have been brought forward by good competitive schooling. And I rather suspect that part of the reason we are doing this is that these brights are more frequently the children of immigrants especially asian immigrants.  A competitive school program would deselect so much by race it would destroy the &quot;all men are equal&quot; mantra the schools are pushing. So it is considered preferable to ruin the schools for everyone.

Attempts to make over the underclass will fail as history shows. An AK to the head will do it but we can&#039;t do that, can we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine:  Your earlier post seems to imply that the schools can keep lower class parents from being &#8220;lower class&#8221;. Are you saying that our public school system should endeavor to change the entire family of the underclass children? Isn&#8217;t it more appropriate to take them as they are are design programs accordingly?</p>
<p>From my experience, people generally like what they are and have no intention at all of changing. Besides, in this Brave New World we have created for ourselves in CA we are about to terminate the state&#8217;s low income children&#8217;s medical plan in order to attempt to balance the budget &#8211; there will be no money for social programs in the schools and in fact the public schools are about to get massive budget cuts and layoffs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that by delusional programming we will continue to lose the brights that do exist within the public school constituientcy that could have been brought forward by good competitive schooling. And I rather suspect that part of the reason we are doing this is that these brights are more frequently the children of immigrants especially asian immigrants.  A competitive school program would deselect so much by race it would destroy the &#8220;all men are equal&#8221; mantra the schools are pushing. So it is considered preferable to ruin the schools for everyone.</p>
<p>Attempts to make over the underclass will fail as history shows. An AK to the head will do it but we can&#8217;t do that, can we?</p>
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		<title>By: Follow the Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Follow the Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Francisco is a large school district that spends $1,257 per ADA on the 5000&#039;s category. California is full of large to medium-large school districts with a lot of special ed and Title 1 programs. Oakland is not so unique that it needs to be spending 2.8 times the average of what other districts spend. No laws mandate that kind of excess.

I&#039;m very open to the possibility that some of that $77.7 million is being spent on very worthwhile needs. The question is how much of that would the rest of us in the public be willing to prioritize if the decision was laid out before us more openly. Jack O&#039;Connell, the OUSD central administration, and the consultants who are making so much money are obviously not saying no to continuing to spend so much. The burden of proof is on them to provide more details of that spending. If it really was that easy for people to point out and question such expenditures, a lot more people would be a lot more upset. Now that the clues about the magnitude are starting to come out, there will be attempts to distract us by telling us we do not have the clues we in fact already have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Francisco is a large school district that spends $1,257 per ADA on the 5000&#8242;s category. California is full of large to medium-large school districts with a lot of special ed and Title 1 programs. Oakland is not so unique that it needs to be spending 2.8 times the average of what other districts spend. No laws mandate that kind of excess.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very open to the possibility that some of that $77.7 million is being spent on very worthwhile needs. The question is how much of that would the rest of us in the public be willing to prioritize if the decision was laid out before us more openly. Jack O&#8217;Connell, the OUSD central administration, and the consultants who are making so much money are obviously not saying no to continuing to spend so much. The burden of proof is on them to provide more details of that spending. If it really was that easy for people to point out and question such expenditures, a lot more people would be a lot more upset. Now that the clues about the magnitude are starting to come out, there will be attempts to distract us by telling us we do not have the clues we in fact already have.</p>
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		<title>By: #1 Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>#1 Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Educator, I know Edward Velasquez is the man for us and Oakland students.  After much research, it seems as though he has done GREAT things in Montebello and his District loves him!  That says a lot.  He is all about equity, accountability, and safety.  These three, especially the latter, is what Oakland Public Schools need.  He is the man for the job.  The fear of nepotism that many have because the other 2 candidates are &quot;local&quot; is valid and unwanted in OUSD!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Educator, I know Edward Velasquez is the man for us and Oakland students.  After much research, it seems as though he has done GREAT things in Montebello and his District loves him!  That says a lot.  He is all about equity, accountability, and safety.  These three, especially the latter, is what Oakland Public Schools need.  He is the man for the job.  The fear of nepotism that many have because the other 2 candidates are &#8220;local&#8221; is valid and unwanted in OUSD!</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do deserve more than pieties.

But, you have already concluded that the $77.7 million paid out under professional services category was not justified. You are &quot;upset by the decision to devote so much scarce resources to consulting&quot; when you don&#039;t even know what it represents. You have no detailed data. I wonder how you can make such a blanket accusation about money spent on consultants when you have no clue who they really are and what they do. Maybe because it&#039;s so easy to.

How much was spent on special ed consultants? How much was spent on federal mandated consultants? Do you know?

Did you know OUSD provides some services to its students that other districts don&#039;t? Do you know what services these are? It also helps to compare apples with apples, not oranges. OUSD is a large district that should be compared to other large districts

I&#039;ll refrain from making any conclusions until I see detailed information. Til then, I&#039;ll use my modifiers.

Turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do deserve more than pieties.</p>
<p>But, you have already concluded that the $77.7 million paid out under professional services category was not justified. You are &#8220;upset by the decision to devote so much scarce resources to consulting&#8221; when you don&#8217;t even know what it represents. You have no detailed data. I wonder how you can make such a blanket accusation about money spent on consultants when you have no clue who they really are and what they do. Maybe because it&#8217;s so easy to.</p>
<p>How much was spent on special ed consultants? How much was spent on federal mandated consultants? Do you know?</p>
<p>Did you know OUSD provides some services to its students that other districts don&#8217;t? Do you know what services these are? It also helps to compare apples with apples, not oranges. OUSD is a large district that should be compared to other large districts</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll refrain from making any conclusions until I see detailed information. Til then, I&#8217;ll use my modifiers.</p>
<p>Turner</p>
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		<title>By: Follow the Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Follow the Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 21:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Turner,

Modifiers like &quot;most&quot; &quot;tangible&quot; &quot;usually&quot; &quot;easy&quot; and &quot;easily&quot; don&#039;t mean a whole lot without the data and specifics to back them up. What&#039;s upsetting is not anything about particular consultants as individuals but the decision to devote so much scarce resources to consulting as a category when other districts (working under the same laws and very similar types of union contracts) spend so much less. We deserve more than pieties about the work that goes on &quot;behind the scenes&quot; when the price tag soars to $77.7 million (again, that&#039;s $2,590 per student).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turner,</p>
<p>Modifiers like &#8220;most&#8221; &#8220;tangible&#8221; &#8220;usually&#8221; &#8220;easy&#8221; and &#8220;easily&#8221; don&#8217;t mean a whole lot without the data and specifics to back them up. What&#8217;s upsetting is not anything about particular consultants as individuals but the decision to devote so much scarce resources to consulting as a category when other districts (working under the same laws and very similar types of union contracts) spend so much less. We deserve more than pieties about the work that goes on &#8220;behind the scenes&#8221; when the price tag soars to $77.7 million (again, that&#8217;s $2,590 per student).</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Follow the Money,

Consultants provide a professional service to the district. Some are political friends but most are legitimate with tangible contributions to the district. And, don&#039;t forget consultants are usually hired to do work that the existing staff can&#039;t do or get to due to union contractual obligations and prohibitions, time constraints or the existing level of competency.

And consultants are easy to pick on and vilify. They work behind the scenes. They don&#039;t have guaranteed employment. They don&#039;t have any representation and can be easily fired.

Turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow the Money,</p>
<p>Consultants provide a professional service to the district. Some are political friends but most are legitimate with tangible contributions to the district. And, don&#8217;t forget consultants are usually hired to do work that the existing staff can&#8217;t do or get to due to union contractual obligations and prohibitions, time constraints or the existing level of competency.</p>
<p>And consultants are easy to pick on and vilify. They work behind the scenes. They don&#8217;t have guaranteed employment. They don&#8217;t have any representation and can be easily fired.</p>
<p>Turner</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I heard from Tony is a desire to serve only a portion of our educational community. To the people on this list who work with children who do not read, whose parents have a great difficulty parenting their children, for children who do not speak standard English in their homes and with their friends, and for those who quite frankly have not been treated fairly by OUSD, Tony will listen to them and help them solve their educational problems.

We still have the special day students, the GATE students, and the mainstream students who are proficient. I listened very carefully to what Tony had to say - he did not address ANY of these groups. He did not mention them at all. He did not lay out a plan for communication with them. He did not discuss the educational opportunities after school hours. He completely ignored them. They were disenfranchised last night by Tony.

And while our treatment of the lowest performing (children not reading) students in the district has been horrid, they do not deserve to be disenfranchised, and neither does any other student or group of students.

Tony&#039;s fiscal policy is to raise parcel taxes, if they are approved by voters, and to take money from PTAs and functioning schools and give to other schools. Most Title 1 schools already receive between $2,000 - $3,000 more per student than non-title 1 schools. Money alone is not the answer. Poor fiscal control will only allow an entry into our district by the State of California once again.

The root causes of our children on welfare not learning is the 30 million word gap by age three of these children. Parents on welfare also give more negative feedback to their children than positive feedback. For information on the study please Google Meaningful differences in the everyday experiences of young American Children. Copyright 1995.

Until we address the issue of parenting, there will be a learning gap. The way parents talk to their children, the number of words per day, the different words per hour create the difference in readers who comprehend and readers who sound out.

The vocabulary of the average 3 year old middle class child is larger than the average welfare parent. We need to have the parents in class learning the educational material alongside their children. See article in today&#039;s Oakland Tribune for an example of where this is working in Oakland using foundation money from Toyota.

To speak to the body of information that has been studied is not disenfranchising anyone; it is beginning at the starting point that can make a difference in the educational lives of children.

I just don&#039;t see how Tony is going to be able to do that because it will not allow for being &quot;in partnership&quot; with resistant parents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I heard from Tony is a desire to serve only a portion of our educational community. To the people on this list who work with children who do not read, whose parents have a great difficulty parenting their children, for children who do not speak standard English in their homes and with their friends, and for those who quite frankly have not been treated fairly by OUSD, Tony will listen to them and help them solve their educational problems.</p>
<p>We still have the special day students, the GATE students, and the mainstream students who are proficient. I listened very carefully to what Tony had to say &#8211; he did not address ANY of these groups. He did not mention them at all. He did not lay out a plan for communication with them. He did not discuss the educational opportunities after school hours. He completely ignored them. They were disenfranchised last night by Tony.</p>
<p>And while our treatment of the lowest performing (children not reading) students in the district has been horrid, they do not deserve to be disenfranchised, and neither does any other student or group of students.</p>
<p>Tony&#8217;s fiscal policy is to raise parcel taxes, if they are approved by voters, and to take money from PTAs and functioning schools and give to other schools. Most Title 1 schools already receive between $2,000 &#8211; $3,000 more per student than non-title 1 schools. Money alone is not the answer. Poor fiscal control will only allow an entry into our district by the State of California once again.</p>
<p>The root causes of our children on welfare not learning is the 30 million word gap by age three of these children. Parents on welfare also give more negative feedback to their children than positive feedback. For information on the study please Google Meaningful differences in the everyday experiences of young American Children. Copyright 1995.</p>
<p>Until we address the issue of parenting, there will be a learning gap. The way parents talk to their children, the number of words per day, the different words per hour create the difference in readers who comprehend and readers who sound out.</p>
<p>The vocabulary of the average 3 year old middle class child is larger than the average welfare parent. We need to have the parents in class learning the educational material alongside their children. See article in today&#8217;s Oakland Tribune for an example of where this is working in Oakland using foundation money from Toyota.</p>
<p>To speak to the body of information that has been studied is not disenfranchising anyone; it is beginning at the starting point that can make a difference in the educational lives of children.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see how Tony is going to be able to do that because it will not allow for being &#8220;in partnership&#8221; with resistant parents.</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want a leader who will be here for us. The last three or four have been here to raid the coffers and increase their public profiles. Maybe the local guy Smith is the one for us.

Turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want a leader who will be here for us. The last three or four have been here to raid the coffers and increase their public profiles. Maybe the local guy Smith is the one for us.</p>
<p>Turner</p>
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		<title>By: Born and Raised Oaklander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born and Raised Oaklander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This past November, the Oakland community came out in force to elect Barack Obama - a leader who embodies intellect, grace, relational integrity, passion, and the overarching need for dialogue.  We have a similar choice before us here in OUSD.  While I understand the temptation to root for the Hawk, the law-and-order buck-stops-here type of leader, Oakland is a nuanced and diverse community (quite unlike the homogenous Montebello district).  As such, we deserve a leader who excels at building coalitions and bridging deep divides.  Tony Smith has a proven record at doing just that.  I hope OUSD has the courage to choose this brave and unique candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past November, the Oakland community came out in force to elect Barack Obama &#8211; a leader who embodies intellect, grace, relational integrity, passion, and the overarching need for dialogue.  We have a similar choice before us here in OUSD.  While I understand the temptation to root for the Hawk, the law-and-order buck-stops-here type of leader, Oakland is a nuanced and diverse community (quite unlike the homogenous Montebello district).  As such, we deserve a leader who excels at building coalitions and bridging deep divides.  Tony Smith has a proven record at doing just that.  I hope OUSD has the courage to choose this brave and unique candidate.</p>
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