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		<title>By: Another Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I said I wasn&#039;t going to post again, but I couldn&#039;t let District Employee&#039;s comments pass without this response:

1.  I completely agree that ALL school staff deserve higher salaries.  Arguing for higher salaries for teachers does not mean I don&#039;t think classified staff and others shouldn&#039;t get paid more.  Again, that is the problem -- public schools are shamefully, ridiculously underfunded, so the idea of CUTTING anything is shameful and ridiculous.

2.  Teachers do get paid extra for some of their extra contract work as District Employee described. But they do not get paid for &quot;every extra minute&quot; by a long shot.

First of all, not all teachers take on an after school intervention group, and if they do it typically amounts to an hour or two a week for about twelve weeks or so.  Even fewer teachers sit on committees for which there is extra pay available, though most do sit on committees for which there is no extra pay.  Those paid committee hours for those few teachers typically add up to what -- forty or fifty extra hours in a school year?

Meanwhile, I have worked at four sites in two districts, and at every site it has been my experience that teachers regularly arrive at work thirty minutes to an hour before the beginning the contractual day, and leave one to two hours after the end of the contractual day.  Many teachers also work extra hours at home in the evenings and/or work occasionally on weekends at home or at the site.  All of that extra time is spent planning, preparing lessons, collaborating, meeting in committees, meeting with parents, making materials, grading assessments, marking report cards, etc.  We do not get paid for any of that time.  We do not get paid for any of that time remember I am talking only about hours spent outside the contract -- prep periods and PD meetings are inside the contractual day).

One extra our a day is 186 hours of unpaid work, which is already a lot, but in most cases were talking about 400, 500, 600 or more unpaid hours in a school year.  This is to say nothing of an extra day or two in August and June setting up or packing up the classroom.

By the way, we do not really get paid for 6 hours a day for 10 months.  There are typically more than 200 working days an any 10 month period -- we get paid for 6 hours a day for exactly 186 days (give or take a day depending on the district).  And we do not get paid for the holidays and vacations.

Anyway, like I said before, I agree with District Employee, that ALL of the staff at the school sites deserve more pay -- way more pay.  The whole situation is a scandal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I said I wasn&#8217;t going to post again, but I couldn&#8217;t let District Employee&#8217;s comments pass without this response:</p>
<p>1.  I completely agree that ALL school staff deserve higher salaries.  Arguing for higher salaries for teachers does not mean I don&#8217;t think classified staff and others shouldn&#8217;t get paid more.  Again, that is the problem &#8212; public schools are shamefully, ridiculously underfunded, so the idea of CUTTING anything is shameful and ridiculous.</p>
<p>2.  Teachers do get paid extra for some of their extra contract work as District Employee described. But they do not get paid for &#8220;every extra minute&#8221; by a long shot.</p>
<p>First of all, not all teachers take on an after school intervention group, and if they do it typically amounts to an hour or two a week for about twelve weeks or so.  Even fewer teachers sit on committees for which there is extra pay available, though most do sit on committees for which there is no extra pay.  Those paid committee hours for those few teachers typically add up to what &#8212; forty or fifty extra hours in a school year?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I have worked at four sites in two districts, and at every site it has been my experience that teachers regularly arrive at work thirty minutes to an hour before the beginning the contractual day, and leave one to two hours after the end of the contractual day.  Many teachers also work extra hours at home in the evenings and/or work occasionally on weekends at home or at the site.  All of that extra time is spent planning, preparing lessons, collaborating, meeting in committees, meeting with parents, making materials, grading assessments, marking report cards, etc.  We do not get paid for any of that time.  We do not get paid for any of that time remember I am talking only about hours spent outside the contract &#8212; prep periods and PD meetings are inside the contractual day).</p>
<p>One extra our a day is 186 hours of unpaid work, which is already a lot, but in most cases were talking about 400, 500, 600 or more unpaid hours in a school year.  This is to say nothing of an extra day or two in August and June setting up or packing up the classroom.</p>
<p>By the way, we do not really get paid for 6 hours a day for 10 months.  There are typically more than 200 working days an any 10 month period &#8212; we get paid for 6 hours a day for exactly 186 days (give or take a day depending on the district).  And we do not get paid for the holidays and vacations.</p>
<p>Anyway, like I said before, I agree with District Employee, that ALL of the staff at the school sites deserve more pay &#8212; way more pay.  The whole situation is a scandal.</p>
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		<title>By: concerned parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>concerned parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[District employee, you are right-- the front office staff set the tone. Unfortunately, our incredible front office staff person was bumped for someone who came from a school that was closed, but with more seniority. Most of the time, I&#039;ve seen this person hanging out in the lunch room while I am doing work, sometimes for more than an hour, instead of completing work that needs to be done at her desk. For some reason (union stuff, perhaps?), the school can&#039;t get rid of her, even though her performance is lacking, and she makes multiple errors on a regular basis, including misinforming parents about things like kindergarten enrollment, etc. Luckily, we have volunteers to cover for her lack of effort and ability, so things don&#039;t completely fall apart. I would like to know how and why this person is more deserving of the job (and salary) than the person before her, who kept the school running like a tight ship, and whom the parents, teachers, and principal all miss dearly! Something is broken in the system, and we are ALL paying for it in some way or another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>District employee, you are right&#8211; the front office staff set the tone. Unfortunately, our incredible front office staff person was bumped for someone who came from a school that was closed, but with more seniority. Most of the time, I&#8217;ve seen this person hanging out in the lunch room while I am doing work, sometimes for more than an hour, instead of completing work that needs to be done at her desk. For some reason (union stuff, perhaps?), the school can&#8217;t get rid of her, even though her performance is lacking, and she makes multiple errors on a regular basis, including misinforming parents about things like kindergarten enrollment, etc. Luckily, we have volunteers to cover for her lack of effort and ability, so things don&#8217;t completely fall apart. I would like to know how and why this person is more deserving of the job (and salary) than the person before her, who kept the school running like a tight ship, and whom the parents, teachers, and principal all miss dearly! Something is broken in the system, and we are ALL paying for it in some way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone IS deserving of higher salaries.

But do not compare your impact on the students to that of the teachers. Even the janitors come into contact with students. And you could argue that they do indeed affect the students in some way. But no way near the kind of impact the teachers have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone IS deserving of higher salaries.</p>
<p>But do not compare your impact on the students to that of the teachers. Even the janitors come into contact with students. And you could argue that they do indeed affect the students in some way. But no way near the kind of impact the teachers have.</p>
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		<title>By: district employee</title>
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		<dc:creator>district employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Show me a teacher who hasn&#039;t sent a student to &quot;the office&quot; for any reason. Who do you think receives that student? Whose work and responsibilities are &quot;interrupted&quot; constantly by those students - often the ones most in need of the &quot;influence and inspiration&quot; you say is found only in the classroom? Our front office staff set the tone for the entire school and community. I can&#039;t name a single admin assistant who is not in constant contact with students.

I don&#039;t think anyone who works with young people is paid appropriately for the commitment and resiliency the work requires, in Oakland or anywhere. But let&#039;s not kid ourselves - every single person on a school campus is deserving of higher salaries, not just teachers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show me a teacher who hasn&#8217;t sent a student to &#8220;the office&#8221; for any reason. Who do you think receives that student? Whose work and responsibilities are &#8220;interrupted&#8221; constantly by those students &#8211; often the ones most in need of the &#8220;influence and inspiration&#8221; you say is found only in the classroom? Our front office staff set the tone for the entire school and community. I can&#8217;t name a single admin assistant who is not in constant contact with students.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone who works with young people is paid appropriately for the commitment and resiliency the work requires, in Oakland or anywhere. But let&#8217;s not kid ourselves &#8211; every single person on a school campus is deserving of higher salaries, not just teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[District employee,
You raise a good point.

But, let&#039;s not forget that the administrative assistant works in an office away from the students. Teachers, on the other hand, work directly with the students and influence these students positively or negatively for years, even forever.

Teachers do a lot more than work. They influence and inspire learning, and pass on the torch of education to the younger generation. That should be worth a little more than a starting salary of $35.36 an hour.

turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>District employee,<br />
You raise a good point.</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s not forget that the administrative assistant works in an office away from the students. Teachers, on the other hand, work directly with the students and influence these students positively or negatively for years, even forever.</p>
<p>Teachers do a lot more than work. They influence and inspire learning, and pass on the torch of education to the younger generation. That should be worth a little more than a starting salary of $35.36 an hour.</p>
<p>turner</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a state issue.  Jack O&#039;Connell and friends have burdened poor communities, families and students with the incompetence at the district and state level.  Funding for education in California has been on a decline for over 20 years.  We can blame teachers, but the truth is, our country and our state has failed to prioritize adequately.  If the turnover rate in Oakland is 1 in 3 for teachers...something is wrong.  More support is needed for both teacher and student.
   If we really were to pursue equity in our society, dare I say it, we would give the &quot;combat pay&quot; our gracious governor proposed years ago.  You don&#039;t give privileged communities more money and cut money from poor communities for poor performance and expect gaps to close.  You fund the neediest.  That is true equity in our society.  Everyone gets an equal chance under the law...at least in public schools anyway.
   Teachers shouldn&#039;t bear the burden of a poorly prioritized society, but we do.  I knew when I took this job that I would be underpaid and overworked.  But cutting the salary of people who have not received their COLA in years, and capping their health care for a job that traded adequate pay for health care is unjust.  Benefits for teachers have been slowly stripped for the past 25 years by the way.  There is no longer an incentive to teach for young teachers.  Why would someone go into debt pursuing a masters and credential when the job they take no longer offers the benefits it once did?
   Don&#039;t attack individual teachers...tax Wal-mart, tax McDonald&#039;s, tax Chevron, the ones making the billions in this very state.  Pointing at cops, teachers or nurses is stupid and it serves little purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a state issue.  Jack O&#8217;Connell and friends have burdened poor communities, families and students with the incompetence at the district and state level.  Funding for education in California has been on a decline for over 20 years.  We can blame teachers, but the truth is, our country and our state has failed to prioritize adequately.  If the turnover rate in Oakland is 1 in 3 for teachers&#8230;something is wrong.  More support is needed for both teacher and student.<br />
   If we really were to pursue equity in our society, dare I say it, we would give the &#8220;combat pay&#8221; our gracious governor proposed years ago.  You don&#8217;t give privileged communities more money and cut money from poor communities for poor performance and expect gaps to close.  You fund the neediest.  That is true equity in our society.  Everyone gets an equal chance under the law&#8230;at least in public schools anyway.<br />
   Teachers shouldn&#8217;t bear the burden of a poorly prioritized society, but we do.  I knew when I took this job that I would be underpaid and overworked.  But cutting the salary of people who have not received their COLA in years, and capping their health care for a job that traded adequate pay for health care is unjust.  Benefits for teachers have been slowly stripped for the past 25 years by the way.  There is no longer an incentive to teach for young teachers.  Why would someone go into debt pursuing a masters and credential when the job they take no longer offers the benefits it once did?<br />
   Don&#8217;t attack individual teachers&#8230;tax Wal-mart, tax McDonald&#8217;s, tax Chevron, the ones making the billions in this very state.  Pointing at cops, teachers or nurses is stupid and it serves little purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: district employee</title>
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		<dc:creator>district employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s interesting that the annual salary is often quoted without being tied to the scope of work.

For a starting salary (with just a BA, no additional credits or years of experience) of $39,456.21, a teacher is expected to work for 6 hours a day for 10 months a year, an hourly rate of $35.36.

At the top of the salary scale (with a BA, 90 units of coursework, and 26 years of experience), a teacher earns $70,933.93 for working 6 hours a day, 10 months a year, an hourly rate of $63.56.

In contrast, an administrative assistant (frequently charged with duties like ensuring accurate attendance at the school, managing all site-based purchasing, monitoring needs of the facilities, and providing support and information to students, families, administrators, teachers, and other staff) has to have a A.A. and ten years of experience to earn an hourly rate of $26.06 - the top of the pay scale.

In addition, teachers are regularly paid for any extra minute they work beyond their contracted hours. I know many schools invest thousands more dollars beyond the base salary in teachers who provide small-group interventions for struggling students and for teachers who participate in leadership at school or other professional development.

I&#039;m the last person to suggest that teachers don&#039;t earn every dollar they make educating our young people. I find it frustrating, though, that there is any suggestion that teachers aren&#039;t valued or appreciated, just because the salaries OUSD pays (THAT OEA AGREED TO!!) are lower than neighboring districts. Everyone deserves to earn a liveable wage in Oakland, but OUSD doesn&#039;t have any magical powers to overcome the disastrous state budget.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that the annual salary is often quoted without being tied to the scope of work.</p>
<p>For a starting salary (with just a BA, no additional credits or years of experience) of $39,456.21, a teacher is expected to work for 6 hours a day for 10 months a year, an hourly rate of $35.36.</p>
<p>At the top of the salary scale (with a BA, 90 units of coursework, and 26 years of experience), a teacher earns $70,933.93 for working 6 hours a day, 10 months a year, an hourly rate of $63.56.</p>
<p>In contrast, an administrative assistant (frequently charged with duties like ensuring accurate attendance at the school, managing all site-based purchasing, monitoring needs of the facilities, and providing support and information to students, families, administrators, teachers, and other staff) has to have a A.A. and ten years of experience to earn an hourly rate of $26.06 &#8211; the top of the pay scale.</p>
<p>In addition, teachers are regularly paid for any extra minute they work beyond their contracted hours. I know many schools invest thousands more dollars beyond the base salary in teachers who provide small-group interventions for struggling students and for teachers who participate in leadership at school or other professional development.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the last person to suggest that teachers don&#8217;t earn every dollar they make educating our young people. I find it frustrating, though, that there is any suggestion that teachers aren&#8217;t valued or appreciated, just because the salaries OUSD pays (THAT OEA AGREED TO!!) are lower than neighboring districts. Everyone deserves to earn a liveable wage in Oakland, but OUSD doesn&#8217;t have any magical powers to overcome the disastrous state budget.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo! Hiss! - The Education Report - Reporter Katy Murphy&#8217;s blog on Oakland schools</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo! Hiss! - The Education Report - Reporter Katy Murphy&#8217;s blog on Oakland schools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael L. Moore, Sr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael L. Moore, Sr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel we should continue to read this very valuable blog.

Michael L. Moore, Sr.
29 Year OUSD Veteran (...and still in love with Oakland!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel we should continue to read this very valuable blog.</p>
<p>Michael L. Moore, Sr.<br />
29 Year OUSD Veteran (&#8230;and still in love with Oakland!)</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another Teacher: The best advice I can give you about the education blog is not to respond to internet trolls who spend their days baiting people.
While everything you wrote is very well said and unfortunately, all too true, there is no way you are going to convince anyone who says we don&#039;t care about students if we ask to be paid a comparable wage.

I hope you will keep reading the blog and responding to Katie&#039;s postings. I find it easier to stick with that and try hard to avoid responding to people who hate teachers and hate public education. I believe that many of the hateful comments written by repeat posters are thinly veiled racism and OUSD and public education/teachers are easy targets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Teacher: The best advice I can give you about the education blog is not to respond to internet trolls who spend their days baiting people.<br />
While everything you wrote is very well said and unfortunately, all too true, there is no way you are going to convince anyone who says we don&#8217;t care about students if we ask to be paid a comparable wage.</p>
<p>I hope you will keep reading the blog and responding to Katie&#8217;s postings. I find it easier to stick with that and try hard to avoid responding to people who hate teachers and hate public education. I believe that many of the hateful comments written by repeat posters are thinly veiled racism and OUSD and public education/teachers are easy targets.</p>
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