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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: Public School Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/06/30/boo-hiss/comment-page-1/#comment-21467</link>
		<dc:creator>Public School Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sanctimonious dismissal of the booing and hissing issue as not being a legitimate cause for concern is odd.  How two parties (and their constituent members) behave to each other and with each other particularly during a time of acrimonious negotiating is certainly a substantive issue in and of itself.  How the parties treat each other is important as it bears on the progress (or lack thereof) of negotiations and future relations between them.

Certainly had OUSD officials, staff, or Board members booed and hissed during a press conference by the union we wouldn&#039;t be hearing a repeated refrain from the union and/or its teachers that we ought not talk about such behavior and focus instead on the actual contractual disagreements.   Nor should we as a community turn a blind eye toward how these two parties (and, again, their members) behave toward each other.  I&#039;d want to know it (for the same reasons) if OUSD staff and officials heckled the teacher&#039;s union at a public forum.  It would certainly tell me something about them as well.  It would tell me a lot about the relationship between the two parties and, again, would probably presage how their relationship would progress in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sanctimonious dismissal of the booing and hissing issue as not being a legitimate cause for concern is odd.  How two parties (and their constituent members) behave to each other and with each other particularly during a time of acrimonious negotiating is certainly a substantive issue in and of itself.  How the parties treat each other is important as it bears on the progress (or lack thereof) of negotiations and future relations between them.</p>
<p>Certainly had OUSD officials, staff, or Board members booed and hissed during a press conference by the union we wouldn&#8217;t be hearing a repeated refrain from the union and/or its teachers that we ought not talk about such behavior and focus instead on the actual contractual disagreements.   Nor should we as a community turn a blind eye toward how these two parties (and, again, their members) behave toward each other.  I&#8217;d want to know it (for the same reasons) if OUSD staff and officials heckled the teacher&#8217;s union at a public forum.  It would certainly tell me something about them as well.  It would tell me a lot about the relationship between the two parties and, again, would probably presage how their relationship would progress in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Abuela Araña</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abuela Araña</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy, I was at the press conference and any booing and hissing was minimal.  While I don&#039;t entirely approve I have to sympathize.  It was far less insulting than the treatment and lack of good faith that the teachers have received in the last 12 months of supposed negotiations.  I hope you will take Betty Olson-Jones comment to heart.  Let&#039;s try to focus on substantive issues, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy, I was at the press conference and any booing and hissing was minimal.  While I don&#8217;t entirely approve I have to sympathize.  It was far less insulting than the treatment and lack of good faith that the teachers have received in the last 12 months of supposed negotiations.  I hope you will take Betty Olson-Jones comment to heart.  Let&#8217;s try to focus on substantive issues, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#039;s eloquent, food-for-thought arguments like this one that highlight the potential of online forums as a means of constructive public discourse. Thanks, Cranky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s eloquent, food-for-thought arguments like this one that highlight the potential of online forums as a means of constructive public discourse. Thanks, Cranky.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cranky teacher, well put.  Thank you for your thoughtful comments.  I totally agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky teacher, well put.  Thank you for your thoughtful comments.  I totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/06/30/boo-hiss/comment-page-1/#comment-21464</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a larger problem the union faces than &quot;unprofessionalism&quot; at a press conference: A younger generation of teachers have no knowledge or understanding of the labor movement and what it cost us to get where we are, however modest that place is.

Teaching schoolchildren who were not wealthy was originally the purview of pre-married women earning starvation wages supplemented by the food and coal donations of grateful parents. It has never been a lucrative job! As the economy demanded more educated workers, the job was professionalized and unionized to increase stability, while still relying mostly on goodhearted and college-educated women willing to work for less than their college-educated male counterparts who pushed paper in offices.

But now, because of our regressive tax structure and dependence on phony economic bubbles that serve a tiny minority of high-rollers, we are looking at a steep erosion of what has been accreted through decades of strikes, economic growth and public pressure. Already charters like KIPP are demanding teachers work longer hours for less money, while districts like Mt. Diablo are wholesale slashing their workforce, cutting PE and so on.

And older teachers seeking security are not just angry for themselves -- we see our qualified peers leaving every year for suburban districts or other professions when they are faced with real-life choices surrounding raising their own children, health problems and so on.

When teachers are underpaid or mistreated it is the students who will suffer, mostly from the devastating effects of constant turnover, as well as absenteeism as teachers moonlight to make ends meet. Many work side gigs in addition to summer jobs, even as we lay out hundreds or even thousands of our own money to support our classroom.

Young teachers see older teachers who they don&#039;t necessarily respect -- and yes, some are &quot;burntout&quot; -- as supporting the union and think the union&#039;s defensiveness is harming the improvement of schools. Of course, unions can be extremely conservative institutions and thus often don&#039;t mesh with the mindset of a twentysomething. But these young folks need to see the forest for the trees: Grieving small violations of the contract is part of holding ground that was won through enormous sacrifice.

Many young teachers who flood into the empty spaces in OUSD every year are definitely not in this for the money, nor do they need much. However, as high-minded as they are, just like everywhere else in America, the reality of the job and the opportunities they have elsewhere in life -- travel, children, money, advanced degrees -- siphon off at least half from the profession by five years out, and many more leave &quot;ghetto&quot; districts for the stability and support of wealthier districts.

Olson-Jones is a true believer, and I mean that in the best way possible: She was a classroom teacher of poor children and believes that to succeed in the classroom teachers need respect, support and, yes, proper renumeration. She believes in the goal of equal educational opportunities for all. And she sees that the issue of OUSD salaries goes way beyond Oakland.

Much has been made of how the OEA&#039;s demands were &quot;political&quot; in nature. The point of this is that there are much larger political issues at stake in determining teacher salaries: This is a statewide issue related to taxation, values and political agendas.

OEA is telling the state, you need to find this money if you want to make this system equitable for poor children. Don&#039;t tell us you don&#039;t have it, because we see the fabulous wealth all around us. You can&#039;t go 50 feet without running into a $70,000 car, a $200,000 kitchen or $100,000 landscaping job.

And save your free market stump speeches. We&#039;re not talking about socialism here, we&#039;re talking about taxing and budgeting enough money to a system which creates order, productivity and growth in the state and nation.

Sorry for the long comment...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a larger problem the union faces than &#8220;unprofessionalism&#8221; at a press conference: A younger generation of teachers have no knowledge or understanding of the labor movement and what it cost us to get where we are, however modest that place is.</p>
<p>Teaching schoolchildren who were not wealthy was originally the purview of pre-married women earning starvation wages supplemented by the food and coal donations of grateful parents. It has never been a lucrative job! As the economy demanded more educated workers, the job was professionalized and unionized to increase stability, while still relying mostly on goodhearted and college-educated women willing to work for less than their college-educated male counterparts who pushed paper in offices.</p>
<p>But now, because of our regressive tax structure and dependence on phony economic bubbles that serve a tiny minority of high-rollers, we are looking at a steep erosion of what has been accreted through decades of strikes, economic growth and public pressure. Already charters like KIPP are demanding teachers work longer hours for less money, while districts like Mt. Diablo are wholesale slashing their workforce, cutting PE and so on.</p>
<p>And older teachers seeking security are not just angry for themselves &#8212; we see our qualified peers leaving every year for suburban districts or other professions when they are faced with real-life choices surrounding raising their own children, health problems and so on.</p>
<p>When teachers are underpaid or mistreated it is the students who will suffer, mostly from the devastating effects of constant turnover, as well as absenteeism as teachers moonlight to make ends meet. Many work side gigs in addition to summer jobs, even as we lay out hundreds or even thousands of our own money to support our classroom.</p>
<p>Young teachers see older teachers who they don&#8217;t necessarily respect &#8212; and yes, some are &#8220;burntout&#8221; &#8212; as supporting the union and think the union&#8217;s defensiveness is harming the improvement of schools. Of course, unions can be extremely conservative institutions and thus often don&#8217;t mesh with the mindset of a twentysomething. But these young folks need to see the forest for the trees: Grieving small violations of the contract is part of holding ground that was won through enormous sacrifice.</p>
<p>Many young teachers who flood into the empty spaces in OUSD every year are definitely not in this for the money, nor do they need much. However, as high-minded as they are, just like everywhere else in America, the reality of the job and the opportunities they have elsewhere in life &#8212; travel, children, money, advanced degrees &#8212; siphon off at least half from the profession by five years out, and many more leave &#8220;ghetto&#8221; districts for the stability and support of wealthier districts.</p>
<p>Olson-Jones is a true believer, and I mean that in the best way possible: She was a classroom teacher of poor children and believes that to succeed in the classroom teachers need respect, support and, yes, proper renumeration. She believes in the goal of equal educational opportunities for all. And she sees that the issue of OUSD salaries goes way beyond Oakland.</p>
<p>Much has been made of how the OEA&#8217;s demands were &#8220;political&#8221; in nature. The point of this is that there are much larger political issues at stake in determining teacher salaries: This is a statewide issue related to taxation, values and political agendas.</p>
<p>OEA is telling the state, you need to find this money if you want to make this system equitable for poor children. Don&#8217;t tell us you don&#8217;t have it, because we see the fabulous wealth all around us. You can&#8217;t go 50 feet without running into a $70,000 car, a $200,000 kitchen or $100,000 landscaping job.</p>
<p>And save your free market stump speeches. We&#8217;re not talking about socialism here, we&#8217;re talking about taxing and budgeting enough money to a system which creates order, productivity and growth in the state and nation.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long comment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A Life Time Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Life Time Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I still think the current OEA tactics are unprofessional and unproductive, I should not name names. I offer an apology to those named. I was acting out of frustration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I still think the current OEA tactics are unprofessional and unproductive, I should not name names. I offer an apology to those named. I was acting out of frustration.</p>
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		<title>By: turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Katy. Booing and hissing isn&#039;t very helpful. It does express a lack of interest in listening to the other side.

I also agree with Harlemoon. It just isn&#039;t professional. I wonder what the union people would say if Tony Smith or Vince Mathews did the same while they were speaking. It&#039;s totally disrespectful.

turner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Katy. Booing and hissing isn&#8217;t very helpful. It does express a lack of interest in listening to the other side.</p>
<p>I also agree with Harlemoon. It just isn&#8217;t professional. I wonder what the union people would say if Tony Smith or Vince Mathews did the same while they were speaking. It&#8217;s totally disrespectful.</p>
<p>turner</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the &quot;boos&quot; on BUSH at Obama&#039;s Inaugural?

http://pageonekentucky.com/2009/01/21/mcconnell-bush-booed-at-inauguration/

Save the &quot;professionalism&quot; for meetings behind closed doors, in fact isn&#039;t that the buzz word to &quot;get someone&quot; behind closed doors anyways...boos, hisses, and pies are to be expected in the Court of public opinion...What are you basing such &quot;morals&quot; on anyways?

Boos, Hisses, Pies in the Faca are all AMERICAN...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the &#8220;boos&#8221; on BUSH at Obama&#8217;s Inaugural?</p>
<p><a href="http://pageonekentucky.com/2009/01/21/mcconnell-bush-booed-at-inauguration/" rel="nofollow">http://pageonekentucky.com/2009/01/21/mcconnell-bush-booed-at-inauguration/</a></p>
<p>Save the &#8220;professionalism&#8221; for meetings behind closed doors, in fact isn&#8217;t that the buzz word to &#8220;get someone&#8221; behind closed doors anyways&#8230;boos, hisses, and pies are to be expected in the Court of public opinion&#8230;What are you basing such &#8220;morals&#8221; on anyways?</p>
<p>Boos, Hisses, Pies in the Faca are all AMERICAN&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look, people, Boos and Hisses are indefensible - in any arena.
Shame on you all for demanding respect, but acting like petulant little children when you don&#039;t get your way!
Your acts make you no better than your target.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, people, Boos and Hisses are indefensible &#8211; in any arena.<br />
Shame on you all for demanding respect, but acting like petulant little children when you don&#8217;t get your way!<br />
Your acts make you no better than your target.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy:

Yesterday, I heard part of Tony Smith&#039;s speech. Do you know where I can get a copy of his entire speech.

I heard a couple of disturbing things - even things that parents should not complain or question although they are in the teacher contract. I want to make sure I did not mis-hear what he had to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy:</p>
<p>Yesterday, I heard part of Tony Smith&#8217;s speech. Do you know where I can get a copy of his entire speech.</p>
<p>I heard a couple of disturbing things &#8211; even things that parents should not complain or question although they are in the teacher contract. I want to make sure I did not mis-hear what he had to say.</p>
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