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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/07/13/spinning-school-improvement/comment-page-1/#comment-21604</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think folks should be careful not to pretend principal and superintendent demand the same experience and skill-set. While it would be nice if all supers had taught, it seems unlikely that will ever happen. It is a macro-leadership job.

However, just because a super (or state super) didn&#039;t teach, doesn&#039;t mean they have to be simplistic and shallow in their understanding. Visit schools, talk to teachers, read all the best books written in the past half-century...

Some supers are quite sophisticated about pedagogy, others are purely political animals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think folks should be careful not to pretend principal and superintendent demand the same experience and skill-set. While it would be nice if all supers had taught, it seems unlikely that will ever happen. It is a macro-leadership job.</p>
<p>However, just because a super (or state super) didn&#8217;t teach, doesn&#8217;t mean they have to be simplistic and shallow in their understanding. Visit schools, talk to teachers, read all the best books written in the past half-century&#8230;</p>
<p>Some supers are quite sophisticated about pedagogy, others are purely political animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Town Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Small Town Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Teri - 5 years of teaching as an absolute minimum for exceptional cases and in most cases 10 years before becoming a school admininstrator.

Being a school administrator is not like running a business - there are similarities but a lot of differences. I&#039;m disturbed, but not surprised that a number of successful business leaders seem to think that they can be school administrators as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Teri &#8211; 5 years of teaching as an absolute minimum for exceptional cases and in most cases 10 years before becoming a school admininstrator.</p>
<p>Being a school administrator is not like running a business &#8211; there are similarities but a lot of differences. I&#8217;m disturbed, but not surprised that a number of successful business leaders seem to think that they can be school administrators as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At one time it was required that you could not get an administrative credential unless you had taught for at least 5 years.  Then the requirement eased up.  Now classroom teaching is no longer required.

There are always exceptions to the rule....but that would be rare.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one time it was required that you could not get an administrative credential unless you had taught for at least 5 years.  Then the requirement eased up.  Now classroom teaching is no longer required.</p>
<p>There are always exceptions to the rule&#8230;.but that would be rare.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for tests becoming similar from year to year, the CA DOE releases test questions that were used on previous tests and will have similar questions on current tests.  I don&#039;t look at them or teach them.  I don&#039;t even look at the test when my students are taking it.  I don&#039;t teach to the test.  Research shows over and over again that lessons that develop critical thinking skills, develop vocabulary, and  provide lots of opportunity for reading and discussing will give kids the skills they need to be successful on tests.

Anyway, for the 8th grade history test, all of it&#039;s useless since they are tested on what they learned in 6th and 7th grade as well as 8th, (and with our standards, who has time to reteach what they learned?) they test what we haven&#039;t even taught yet, and the questions are mostly recall information and fact-based and don&#039;t involve having kids use the basic skills they need to understand history and geography.

(You might be wondering how I know all this since I don&#039;t look at the test, but my colleagues tell me this even though we&#039;re not supposed to talk about the test.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for tests becoming similar from year to year, the CA DOE releases test questions that were used on previous tests and will have similar questions on current tests.  I don&#8217;t look at them or teach them.  I don&#8217;t even look at the test when my students are taking it.  I don&#8217;t teach to the test.  Research shows over and over again that lessons that develop critical thinking skills, develop vocabulary, and  provide lots of opportunity for reading and discussing will give kids the skills they need to be successful on tests.</p>
<p>Anyway, for the 8th grade history test, all of it&#8217;s useless since they are tested on what they learned in 6th and 7th grade as well as 8th, (and with our standards, who has time to reteach what they learned?) they test what we haven&#8217;t even taught yet, and the questions are mostly recall information and fact-based and don&#8217;t involve having kids use the basic skills they need to understand history and geography.</p>
<p>(You might be wondering how I know all this since I don&#8217;t look at the test, but my colleagues tell me this even though we&#8217;re not supposed to talk about the test.)</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None of this surprises me.  Personally, I don&#039;t think anyone should be legally allowed to become an administrator of a school or a district unless they&#039;ve had at least 10 years of teaching experience.  Not all teachers (and I put myself in this category) make good administrators, but in order to be a really good administrator, you have to have taught and taught long enough to really understand what it&#039;s like to be a teacher.  There are obvious exceptions to the rule.  My previous principal was an excellent administrator in so many ways and only had about 6 years of actual classroom teaching under her belt before beginning her path to administrative positions.  But, in my experience, she is the exception, not the rule.

So when Arne Duncan talks, I don&#039;t place much stock in it.  I see him as a dilettante--dipping his toes into the current popularity pool on pedagogy, but not a serious student of educational practices.  How can he be if he doesn&#039;t know what it&#039;s like to create, deliver, and evaluate lessons, to scrap everything you planned for that teachable moment or because you realize that the kids just aren&#039;t gettting it and you need to reteach, or because half your class has come down with the flu?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this surprises me.  Personally, I don&#8217;t think anyone should be legally allowed to become an administrator of a school or a district unless they&#8217;ve had at least 10 years of teaching experience.  Not all teachers (and I put myself in this category) make good administrators, but in order to be a really good administrator, you have to have taught and taught long enough to really understand what it&#8217;s like to be a teacher.  There are obvious exceptions to the rule.  My previous principal was an excellent administrator in so many ways and only had about 6 years of actual classroom teaching under her belt before beginning her path to administrative positions.  But, in my experience, she is the exception, not the rule.</p>
<p>So when Arne Duncan talks, I don&#8217;t place much stock in it.  I see him as a dilettante&#8211;dipping his toes into the current popularity pool on pedagogy, but not a serious student of educational practices.  How can he be if he doesn&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s like to create, deliver, and evaluate lessons, to scrap everything you planned for that teachable moment or because you realize that the kids just aren&#8217;t gettting it and you need to reteach, or because half your class has come down with the flu?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I teach high school, and like &quot;Cranky Teacher&quot; said, this is not news to me. I myself got so cranky about this issue that I compiled a bit of research and wrote it up here: http://j1t.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-struck.html

I just want to add one thing: I think it&#039;s worth looking not only at Chicago as a model of where Duncan&#039;s policies could lead, but also New Orleans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach high school, and like &#8220;Cranky Teacher&#8221; said, this is not news to me. I myself got so cranky about this issue that I compiled a bit of research and wrote it up here: <a href="http://j1t.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-struck.html" rel="nofollow">http://j1t.blogspot.com/2009/05/star-struck.html</a></p>
<p>I just want to add one thing: I think it&#8217;s worth looking not only at Chicago as a model of where Duncan&#8217;s policies could lead, but also New Orleans.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catalyst Chicago is a mainstream media outlet -- though, I believe, it&#039;s independently owned -- that provided early and deep coverage of Duncan&#039;s legacy. I linked to Catalyst&#039;s report in December when I blogged about Duncan&#039;s appointment. Here it is again, in case anyone&#039;s interested:

http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/news/index.php?item=2514&amp;cat=5

The USA Today&#039;s piece was written in response to a recently released report. It&#039;s possible that the paper raised similar questions earlier on, as well, but maybe not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catalyst Chicago is a mainstream media outlet &#8212; though, I believe, it&#8217;s independently owned &#8212; that provided early and deep coverage of Duncan&#8217;s legacy. I linked to Catalyst&#8217;s report in December when I blogged about Duncan&#8217;s appointment. Here it is again, in case anyone&#8217;s interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/news/index.php?item=2514&#038;cat=5" rel="nofollow">http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/news/index.php?item=2514&#038;cat=5</a></p>
<p>The USA Today&#8217;s piece was written in response to a recently released report. It&#8217;s possible that the paper raised similar questions earlier on, as well, but maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Readers of Oakland&#039;s Perimeter Primate blog already knew about Arne Duncan&#039;s &quot;juked stats&quot; (a term from &quot;The Wire&quot;):

http://perimeterprimate.blogspot.com/search?q=arne+duncan

And there&#039;s a slew of other education bloggers also providing early warnings on Duncan&#039;s deception and similar deceit. You can find most of them on the Perimeter Primate&#039;s blogroll. The mainstream media is coming later and later to the party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers of Oakland&#8217;s Perimeter Primate blog already knew about Arne Duncan&#8217;s &#8220;juked stats&#8221; (a term from &#8220;The Wire&#8221;):</p>
<p><a href="http://perimeterprimate.blogspot.com/search?q=arne+duncan" rel="nofollow">http://perimeterprimate.blogspot.com/search?q=arne+duncan</a></p>
<p>And there&#8217;s a slew of other education bloggers also providing early warnings on Duncan&#8217;s deception and similar deceit. You can find most of them on the Perimeter Primate&#8217;s blogroll. The mainstream media is coming later and later to the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For teachers, this is COMPLETELY unsurprising. Gaming the numbers and simply emphasizing multiple-choice test-taking skills and memorization over higher-order  skills can drive up your numbers quickly.

Arne Duncan is, by all accounts, a nice guy and a terrific basketball player, but he isn&#039;t much more than a wannabe Harvard technocrat with a sweet jumper.

Look at his resume. He has never been a teacher or school administrator. He got his start in the education racket when he got to play with the nonprofit funded by his childhood friend, who had become a Wall Street CEO.

Then, in Chicago, where it is all about &quot;who you know,&quot; this likeable bball star jumped straight to just below the pinnacle of the Chicago district leadership, before later becoming its &quot;CEO.&quot; He would play pick-up with Barack Obama at lunch.

Now he&#039;s the top education official in the country, based not on his achievements but on having the right monied and powerful backers.

Sound familiar, Oakland?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For teachers, this is COMPLETELY unsurprising. Gaming the numbers and simply emphasizing multiple-choice test-taking skills and memorization over higher-order  skills can drive up your numbers quickly.</p>
<p>Arne Duncan is, by all accounts, a nice guy and a terrific basketball player, but he isn&#8217;t much more than a wannabe Harvard technocrat with a sweet jumper.</p>
<p>Look at his resume. He has never been a teacher or school administrator. He got his start in the education racket when he got to play with the nonprofit funded by his childhood friend, who had become a Wall Street CEO.</p>
<p>Then, in Chicago, where it is all about &#8220;who you know,&#8221; this likeable bball star jumped straight to just below the pinnacle of the Chicago district leadership, before later becoming its &#8220;CEO.&#8221; He would play pick-up with Barack Obama at lunch.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s the top education official in the country, based not on his achievements but on having the right monied and powerful backers.</p>
<p>Sound familiar, Oakland?</p>
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