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	<title>Comments on: Kakishiba to resign from Oakland school board</title>
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		<title>By: del</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/10/15/kakishiba-to-resign-from-oakland-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-22505</link>
		<dc:creator>del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, in the mirror I see someone with a master&#039;s degree in school finance and administration, who has helped draw up over 30 school budgets at multiple schools including charters.
now here&#039;s the math:
Charters/public schools receive the same funds from the state &amp; district based on very basic formulas. You said they &quot;get no money&quot;, yet they get the exact same funding.
As for bonds, the largest has to do with school building improvement—charters at school sites have exactly the same access to that money. Charters who choose to rent non-district land negotiate improvements with the landowner, just like everyone else. So again, they are equal. The funding for measure Y etc is also equally available to charters and everyone else. So again, equal funding.
Some bonds passed that did not include charters, which was a choice the citizens of Oakland made. At the site where I work, we have 2 severely handicapped classes—these kids are refused entrance to charters, and the bond money we receive does not even cover the supplies needed for these kids. Public vs charters again the money comes out on the charter side in this equation. Add in the stunning amounts collected from out of town and out of state donors, and the amount of money accessible to charters (info available on this site many places) far outstrips that available to public schools—and with out the mandates and accountability required of public schools.
So, there&#039;s the math for you. To remind you, I did not call YOU ignorant (I think many of your posts have merit), I was referring to your quote &quot;yet they get no money&quot;—which clearly shows that you are ignorant of the facts. Your choice to call me ignorant is a personal attack, and calls into question your reasoning skills. But hey, that&#039;s ok, I get called names by the kids too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, in the mirror I see someone with a master&#8217;s degree in school finance and administration, who has helped draw up over 30 school budgets at multiple schools including charters.<br />
now here&#8217;s the math:<br />
Charters/public schools receive the same funds from the state &amp; district based on very basic formulas. You said they &#8220;get no money&#8221;, yet they get the exact same funding.<br />
As for bonds, the largest has to do with school building improvement—charters at school sites have exactly the same access to that money. Charters who choose to rent non-district land negotiate improvements with the landowner, just like everyone else. So again, they are equal. The funding for measure Y etc is also equally available to charters and everyone else. So again, equal funding.<br />
Some bonds passed that did not include charters, which was a choice the citizens of Oakland made. At the site where I work, we have 2 severely handicapped classes—these kids are refused entrance to charters, and the bond money we receive does not even cover the supplies needed for these kids. Public vs charters again the money comes out on the charter side in this equation. Add in the stunning amounts collected from out of town and out of state donors, and the amount of money accessible to charters (info available on this site many places) far outstrips that available to public schools—and with out the mandates and accountability required of public schools.<br />
So, there&#8217;s the math for you. To remind you, I did not call YOU ignorant (I think many of your posts have merit), I was referring to your quote &#8220;yet they get no money&#8221;—which clearly shows that you are ignorant of the facts. Your choice to call me ignorant is a personal attack, and calls into question your reasoning skills. But hey, that&#8217;s ok, I get called names by the kids too!</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. McLaughlin-

Their is a bigger beast &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; OOOOOHHHHHH.
its called unions(Wooohhhhh).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. McLaughlin-</p>
<p>Their is a bigger beast &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; OOOOOHHHHHH.<br />
its called unions(Wooohhhhh).</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Del

Ignorant?  How much bond monies do charters get? How much taxes do charter parents pay? Its simple. Yes O&#039;Connel gave charters monies this year that was the equivalent to chump change.

Do the math, and look at the mirror. There you will find ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Del</p>
<p>Ignorant?  How much bond monies do charters get? How much taxes do charter parents pay? Its simple. Yes O&#8217;Connel gave charters monies this year that was the equivalent to chump change.</p>
<p>Do the math, and look at the mirror. There you will find ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. McLaughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chauncey:  Be careful what you wish for.  Ever hear of California Charter Academy?  Once upon a time, it was the largest charter school district in our state. Check these links:

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_charter05.3f9380d.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/15/MNG29C9CTM1.DTL

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/05/local/me-charter5

Back in the early days of Charter Mania, a sly, bloodthirsty monster roamed California. Disguised as a mystical healer, he appeared from nowhere before one after another weary school board, spinning unearthly fables designed to soothe and thus beguile them.  Charles Cox was the name he answered to outside of hell.

Fee fie foe fum!  He could smell a gravy train from miles away.  Despite his sketchy qualifications, he easily charmed district after district into signing over their children&#039;s lives.  Ultimately, was granted charters for 60 schools in various counties.

(Fortunately, the OUSD was immune to his curse.  The magic word &quot;ghetto&quot; blinded his eyes with dollar signs to the beauty of our magical city.)

I remember reading about this bum soon after his spell had broken with a vengeance.  He had budgeted something like 22 cents per student for daily meals, and something like $500 per school for annual custodial services, because Abracadabra, the students should just damn clean up after themselves.


And one dark autumn, as thousands of hapless children prepared for the new school year, a great cry rose across the land.  Cox had absconded with at $5.5 million, leaving parents scrambling to enroll their children elsewhere at the last minute.  Soon, school districts far and wide were plagued with bills, unpaid leases, and other contract obligations that he&#039;s left in his wake. (While charter schools are not under direct district supervision, somehow the same districts are obligated to pay some of their more expensive expenses.  What&#039;s up with that?)

In the long run, Cox may have been a blessing in disguise. After this nightmare, California passed legislation limiting any one charter outfit from opening too many schools across too many district/county lines.  The Legend of CCA also frightened many a school board into tightening its criteria for granting charters at all.  But heed the tale of Charles Cox:  Not all of these people are in it for the children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chauncey:  Be careful what you wish for.  Ever hear of California Charter Academy?  Once upon a time, it was the largest charter school district in our state. Check these links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_charter05.3f9380d.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_charter05.3f9380d.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/15/MNG29C9CTM1.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/15/MNG29C9CTM1.DTL</a></p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/05/local/me-charter5" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2007/sep/05/local/me-charter5</a></p>
<p>Back in the early days of Charter Mania, a sly, bloodthirsty monster roamed California. Disguised as a mystical healer, he appeared from nowhere before one after another weary school board, spinning unearthly fables designed to soothe and thus beguile them.  Charles Cox was the name he answered to outside of hell.</p>
<p>Fee fie foe fum!  He could smell a gravy train from miles away.  Despite his sketchy qualifications, he easily charmed district after district into signing over their children&#8217;s lives.  Ultimately, was granted charters for 60 schools in various counties.</p>
<p>(Fortunately, the OUSD was immune to his curse.  The magic word &#8220;ghetto&#8221; blinded his eyes with dollar signs to the beauty of our magical city.)</p>
<p>I remember reading about this bum soon after his spell had broken with a vengeance.  He had budgeted something like 22 cents per student for daily meals, and something like $500 per school for annual custodial services, because Abracadabra, the students should just damn clean up after themselves.</p>
<p>And one dark autumn, as thousands of hapless children prepared for the new school year, a great cry rose across the land.  Cox had absconded with at $5.5 million, leaving parents scrambling to enroll their children elsewhere at the last minute.  Soon, school districts far and wide were plagued with bills, unpaid leases, and other contract obligations that he&#8217;s left in his wake. (While charter schools are not under direct district supervision, somehow the same districts are obligated to pay some of their more expensive expenses.  What&#8217;s up with that?)</p>
<p>In the long run, Cox may have been a blessing in disguise. After this nightmare, California passed legislation limiting any one charter outfit from opening too many schools across too many district/county lines.  The Legend of CCA also frightened many a school board into tightening its criteria for granting charters at all.  But heed the tale of Charles Cox:  Not all of these people are in it for the children.</p>
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		<title>By: del</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2009/10/15/kakishiba-to-resign-from-oakland-school-board/comment-page-1/#comment-22501</link>
		<dc:creator>del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get no money? I know this is off topic to the conflict story, but Chauncey— an ignorant, incorrect statement like that really drags down the rest of your post and makes it look like you have no idea what you are talking about!
I DO agree that there are plenty of conflicts of interest, and they all need to be investigated and expunged form the district. If kids are not the #1 priority, then they need to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get no money? I know this is off topic to the conflict story, but Chauncey— an ignorant, incorrect statement like that really drags down the rest of your post and makes it look like you have no idea what you are talking about!<br />
I DO agree that there are plenty of conflicts of interest, and they all need to be investigated and expunged form the district. If kids are not the #1 priority, then they need to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jenny-  No_ I agree with you and know first hand of people who work in places such as the supply warehouse who are family members to board members.Their are tons of other examples.

 It does need to be addressed- what I am saying is that how come it did not happen before and when this lawyer leaves, who then?

I do not think anyone truly know what a conflcit is or isnt- such is the way with legal jargon-non comitting.\
I just think that this opinion caught up the wrong one at OUSD-thats all.

As for taxpayers money- we&#039;ve been ripped off for years by OUSD and will conitnue to do so. I am pressing for charters to share get a share of bonds monies because I do support their efforts as well-they are educating Oakland kids and we pay for them too, yet they get no money.

At least I will feel somewhat better when educrats take the money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny-  No_ I agree with you and know first hand of people who work in places such as the supply warehouse who are family members to board members.Their are tons of other examples.</p>
<p> It does need to be addressed- what I am saying is that how come it did not happen before and when this lawyer leaves, who then?</p>
<p>I do not think anyone truly know what a conflcit is or isnt- such is the way with legal jargon-non comitting.\<br />
I just think that this opinion caught up the wrong one at OUSD-thats all.</p>
<p>As for taxpayers money- we&#8217;ve been ripped off for years by OUSD and will conitnue to do so. I am pressing for charters to share get a share of bonds monies because I do support their efforts as well-they are educating Oakland kids and we pay for them too, yet they get no money.</p>
<p>At least I will feel somewhat better when educrats take the money</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debora &amp; Chauncey:

I agree with you regarding David Kakishiba, but disagree with your comment stating that you’re waiting for the lawyers to deal with the other conflict of interest in the school District.   Where should Minor start in reviewing and correcting the “conflict of interest cases?”   For the last few years, there have been enormous “conflict of interest” situations within the District.  For example, there have been many positions created and relatives were hired to fill these positions.  On top of that, many are employed in the same department within the school District.

What is the definition of “conflict of interest”?  Does it apply to all ethnic groups or does that depend on who you are?

Last but not least, Minor needs to review the District hiring process for the last few years and correct the unfair practices within the District.

We as Oakland citizens will need to make sure that our tax money and our additional property taxes for “School Measure E” are properly spent on the school renovation projects, and not on hiring unnecessary staff within the District.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debora &amp; Chauncey:</p>
<p>I agree with you regarding David Kakishiba, but disagree with your comment stating that you’re waiting for the lawyers to deal with the other conflict of interest in the school District.   Where should Minor start in reviewing and correcting the “conflict of interest cases?”   For the last few years, there have been enormous “conflict of interest” situations within the District.  For example, there have been many positions created and relatives were hired to fill these positions.  On top of that, many are employed in the same department within the school District.</p>
<p>What is the definition of “conflict of interest”?  Does it apply to all ethnic groups or does that depend on who you are?</p>
<p>Last but not least, Minor needs to review the District hiring process for the last few years and correct the unfair practices within the District.</p>
<p>We as Oakland citizens will need to make sure that our tax money and our additional property taxes for “School Measure E” are properly spent on the school renovation projects, and not on hiring unnecessary staff within the District.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chauncey:

I agree with you about David. I am waiting to see what other conflicts of interest the lawyer deals with IN THE SCHOOLS. There is enormous number of conflicts of interest by people in positions of power at the school level, and the district administration level as well as with the Board. There are conflicts of interest with members of the Oakland City Council as well.

I believe that because David stepped down it will create the pressure needed for us to stop the Deborah Edgerly and Ron Dellums sort of nepotism as well as just hiring people who are neither qualified for the position, nor give a fair 8 hour day&#039;s work for 8 hour day&#039;s pay for a non-exempt worker. We have to start somewhere.

And, if we don&#039;t see the changes elsewhere in Oakland, we will know that this was an effort to manipulate the school board, because we have witnessed time and time again the disclosure of conflicts of interest in Oakland&#039;s City Administrators. If we do not see, hear of or know any others conflicts of interest being eliminated, as citizens, we will need to makes sure that we manage through the ballot process. I hate that process. I would love to vote in competent, ethical elected officials and let them do their jobs, but if they find it too difficult, we vote in what we need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chauncey:</p>
<p>I agree with you about David. I am waiting to see what other conflicts of interest the lawyer deals with IN THE SCHOOLS. There is enormous number of conflicts of interest by people in positions of power at the school level, and the district administration level as well as with the Board. There are conflicts of interest with members of the Oakland City Council as well.</p>
<p>I believe that because David stepped down it will create the pressure needed for us to stop the Deborah Edgerly and Ron Dellums sort of nepotism as well as just hiring people who are neither qualified for the position, nor give a fair 8 hour day&#8217;s work for 8 hour day&#8217;s pay for a non-exempt worker. We have to start somewhere.</p>
<p>And, if we don&#8217;t see the changes elsewhere in Oakland, we will know that this was an effort to manipulate the school board, because we have witnessed time and time again the disclosure of conflicts of interest in Oakland&#8217;s City Administrators. If we do not see, hear of or know any others conflicts of interest being eliminated, as citizens, we will need to makes sure that we manage through the ballot process. I hate that process. I would love to vote in competent, ethical elected officials and let them do their jobs, but if they find it too difficult, we vote in what we need.</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debora-

I think this was a bow to the will of a lawyer, not the people. He served for 7 years til this legal council arrived.

I respect the decision to go without a fight- however there are many who want him to fight. When you serve in this capacity of public servant- the job is greater than you (at leaset that how I call it).

Now- it may very well get dumb if a rubber stamper gets appointed.
Id respect it if he fought- he&#039;s much smarter than the rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debora-</p>
<p>I think this was a bow to the will of a lawyer, not the people. He served for 7 years til this legal council arrived.</p>
<p>I respect the decision to go without a fight- however there are many who want him to fight. When you serve in this capacity of public servant- the job is greater than you (at leaset that how I call it).</p>
<p>Now- it may very well get dumb if a rubber stamper gets appointed.<br />
Id respect it if he fought- he&#8217;s much smarter than the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Kakishiba - to OSSF - to a discussion which Portland is having about the pros and cons of small schools at the high school level:

&quot;Many express support for larger Portland high schools at community forum,&quot; October 17, 2009, @
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/many_express_support_for_large.html

A few years ago, the Gates Foundation abandoned their support of &quot;small schools,&quot; depriving a number of people from their bread and butter. They weren&#039;t the magic bullet Bill and Melinda had been searching for.

Will the next move be that those small high schools created by Gates&#039; money will start thinking about merging back together into one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Kakishiba &#8211; to OSSF &#8211; to a discussion which Portland is having about the pros and cons of small schools at the high school level:</p>
<p>&#8220;Many express support for larger Portland high schools at community forum,&#8221; October 17, 2009, @<br />
<a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/many_express_support_for_large.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/10/many_express_support_for_large.html</a></p>
<p>A few years ago, the Gates Foundation abandoned their support of &#8220;small schools,&#8221; depriving a number of people from their bread and butter. They weren&#8217;t the magic bullet Bill and Melinda had been searching for.</p>
<p>Will the next move be that those small high schools created by Gates&#8217; money will start thinking about merging back together into one?</p>
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