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		<title>By: Dorsey Blazek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorsey Blazek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Needed to post you the very little remark in order to say thanks once again for the exceptional basics you&#039;ve featured on this page. This has been simply tremendously generous of you to deliver unreservedly just what many of us might have marketed for an e-book to make some profit for their own end, particularly seeing that you could have done it if you decided. Those good tips also served like a easy way to realize that other people have similar zeal just as my personal own to find out whole lot more with regards to this problem. I&#039;m certain there are numerous more pleasant occasions in the future for those who looked at your blog post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Needed to post you the very little remark in order to say thanks once again for the exceptional basics you&#8217;ve featured on this page. This has been simply tremendously generous of you to deliver unreservedly just what many of us might have marketed for an e-book to make some profit for their own end, particularly seeing that you could have done it if you decided. Those good tips also served like a easy way to realize that other people have similar zeal just as my personal own to find out whole lot more with regards to this problem. I&#8217;m certain there are numerous more pleasant occasions in the future for those who looked at your blog post.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of the things I was thinking as I read your blog have already been said by the insightful people before me!  I am in my sixth year teaching middle school, and one of the best pieces of advice I ever received was from my 9th grade English teacher who said, &quot;Never assign anything without knowing when you are going to grade it.  And always do your lesson plans before you grade.&quot;  Admittedly, some days (years) I follow this wisdom better than others.

To that end, however, I would suggest that you collect as few papers as possible.  Give completion grades, grade in class and have students tell you their scores, do not be afraid to not grade an assignment if it already accomplished it&#039;s purpose (in-class work, etc.).  When you do collect papers, do whatever you can to make sure they are already graded.  Having students grade each other&#039;s work saves you amazing amounts of time.  During my first two years teaching, I spent too much time grading the lesser assignments, valuing class time over my time, when, as an English teacher, I had plenty of essays coming my way!  In fact, I am at a new school with new curriculum this year, and I spent first quarter relearning this lesson.

I would also reiterate that behavior is the first battle to be won in middle school.  Be as predictable as possible when it comes to consequences.  Setting Limits in the Classroom is an excellent book on classroom management.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the things I was thinking as I read your blog have already been said by the insightful people before me!  I am in my sixth year teaching middle school, and one of the best pieces of advice I ever received was from my 9th grade English teacher who said, &#8220;Never assign anything without knowing when you are going to grade it.  And always do your lesson plans before you grade.&#8221;  Admittedly, some days (years) I follow this wisdom better than others.</p>
<p>To that end, however, I would suggest that you collect as few papers as possible.  Give completion grades, grade in class and have students tell you their scores, do not be afraid to not grade an assignment if it already accomplished it&#8217;s purpose (in-class work, etc.).  When you do collect papers, do whatever you can to make sure they are already graded.  Having students grade each other&#8217;s work saves you amazing amounts of time.  During my first two years teaching, I spent too much time grading the lesser assignments, valuing class time over my time, when, as an English teacher, I had plenty of essays coming my way!  In fact, I am at a new school with new curriculum this year, and I spent first quarter relearning this lesson.</p>
<p>I would also reiterate that behavior is the first battle to be won in middle school.  Be as predictable as possible when it comes to consequences.  Setting Limits in the Classroom is an excellent book on classroom management.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds a lot like my student teaching year.  I had a master teacher my first semester who was HORRIBLE.  She did no planning, asked the exact same kinds of questions you received, and then wrote me 6 pages of handwritten notes about how horribly I taught my classes.  I wanted input, but all I received was criticism.

Anyway, one thing that I have learned is to NEVER send students to the office in order to punish them.  When you do that you give up the power and give the responsibility to someone else.

Here is what I would suggest, and it has worked wonders for me.  If the students, as a whole, get too out of control, have them sit and do absolutely nothing.  Nothing at all.  You have to monitor them and make sure they are sitting upright in their chairs, no hands on desks, no pencils or pens out, no reading, no talking, nothing.  Basically, terrorize them with an unbelievable level of control.

It&#039;s just a tool for an occasion though.  What you really need is an overall system of control.  you need them to know that you are the boss.  It&#039;s really about style.  I like to keep a log book, with student rosters that lists each student and different things that they typically do.  Nothing bothers them more than having specific records kept of their issues.  You have a lot of leverage on them with documentation.

I can always e-mail you a copy of what I use and then you can type in your own students&#039; names.  You can contact me through my blog site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds a lot like my student teaching year.  I had a master teacher my first semester who was HORRIBLE.  She did no planning, asked the exact same kinds of questions you received, and then wrote me 6 pages of handwritten notes about how horribly I taught my classes.  I wanted input, but all I received was criticism.</p>
<p>Anyway, one thing that I have learned is to NEVER send students to the office in order to punish them.  When you do that you give up the power and give the responsibility to someone else.</p>
<p>Here is what I would suggest, and it has worked wonders for me.  If the students, as a whole, get too out of control, have them sit and do absolutely nothing.  Nothing at all.  You have to monitor them and make sure they are sitting upright in their chairs, no hands on desks, no pencils or pens out, no reading, no talking, nothing.  Basically, terrorize them with an unbelievable level of control.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a tool for an occasion though.  What you really need is an overall system of control.  you need them to know that you are the boss.  It&#8217;s really about style.  I like to keep a log book, with student rosters that lists each student and different things that they typically do.  Nothing bothers them more than having specific records kept of their issues.  You have a lot of leverage on them with documentation.</p>
<p>I can always e-mail you a copy of what I use and then you can type in your own students&#8217; names.  You can contact me through my blog site.</p>
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		<title>By: russechd</title>
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		<dc:creator>russechd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve got a lot of good advice here...
Like others, I&#039;d say pick few things you want to do really well this year, and then you can add to it next year.  Give yourself a break.  First Days of School is a great book, as mentioned.  Steal from already developed lessons (SMART etc).  

However, what popped into my head as I was reading was, who is supposed to be supporting you?  Every new teacher, if not paired with a Mentor, should at least be a part of some learning team (grade, subject etc).  These teachers should be working with you to build lessons and collaborate on the work.  Also, a good admin should see that you are struggling and be willing to do whatever it takes to make you into a solid, confident, contributing member of his/her team.  

Maybe you&#039;re good at hiding that you need help.  Make sure you ask (and keep asking).  

Lastly - it is probably far worse in your own head than what the reality is.  The fact that you care so much puts you ahead of many.  Take stock of what you are doing well.  You reflect, you research, you experiment, you communicate and you give it your all.  Are you building relationships with your students?  That is the bedrock of everything else.  

Good luck, and remember the answer to the old adage ...&quot;How do you eat an elephant?&quot; is &quot;One bite at a time&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got a lot of good advice here&#8230;<br />
Like others, I&#8217;d say pick few things you want to do really well this year, and then you can add to it next year.  Give yourself a break.  First Days of School is a great book, as mentioned.  Steal from already developed lessons (SMART etc).  </p>
<p>However, what popped into my head as I was reading was, who is supposed to be supporting you?  Every new teacher, if not paired with a Mentor, should at least be a part of some learning team (grade, subject etc).  These teachers should be working with you to build lessons and collaborate on the work.  Also, a good admin should see that you are struggling and be willing to do whatever it takes to make you into a solid, confident, contributing member of his/her team.  </p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re good at hiding that you need help.  Make sure you ask (and keep asking).  </p>
<p>Lastly &#8211; it is probably far worse in your own head than what the reality is.  The fact that you care so much puts you ahead of many.  Take stock of what you are doing well.  You reflect, you research, you experiment, you communicate and you give it your all.  Are you building relationships with your students?  That is the bedrock of everything else.  </p>
<p>Good luck, and remember the answer to the old adage &#8230;&#8221;How do you eat an elephant?&#8221; is &#8220;One bite at a time&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Stack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Stack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy.... I&#039;ve been exactly where you are.  I&#039;d like to tell you that doing this, this, and this will fix everything, but that would be a lie.  Truth is.... I didn&#039;t really begin to get better until I focused more on myself.  What could I change about me that might make a difference?  The kids are the kids.... the only control I had was over me.  I took a good look at myself and began making small changes.  First, I had to come to grips with being the authority in the room.  I was young, still felt cool, still partied.... how could they not listen to me?  Next, I had to become incredibally consistant.  I would say the dumbest things....like, if you do that again you&#039;ll never go to gym.  Things I couldn&#039;t enforce... I also had to learn to control my own frustrations and hide my buttons. (I once threw a chair across the room out of anger... shhhhh, don&#039;t tell)  Consistancy was huge, both for positive and negative consequences... I would say 5 warnings is 4 too many.  I will call parents on the spot.... hand the phone to the kid and tell them to tell their parent what they just said. (Yes, I use my cell)  I too have to monitor the halls.... I stand at the corner of my door where I can see the hall and what&#039;s going on in my class at the same time.  Have a journal topic everyday.... just a five minute thing that students do upon entering the class... something that touches on the topic of the previous day.. you can even just grade it on completion (5 pts) and use the answers as an informal evaluation of how well you got the point across.  If detentions don&#039;t work.... don&#039;t use them.  Find an incentive for your students.... my first couple of years, I hooked up with another new teacher and showed a flick every Friday that had to be earned with decent behavior.  We took turns watching the kids who didn&#039;t get to see the movie.  Those kids were asked to write about their behavior and how they could improve it.  I could go on forever...... I never thought I&#039;d make it through that first year and here I am in my 21st year.  Your focus needs to be on classroom management... content, at this point, somewhat secondary.  Once management is in place, the content will flow.  Please feel free to chat anytime...I so empathize with you.

Susan Stack
Cleveland Metropolitan Schools]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy&#8230;. I&#8217;ve been exactly where you are.  I&#8217;d like to tell you that doing this, this, and this will fix everything, but that would be a lie.  Truth is&#8230;. I didn&#8217;t really begin to get better until I focused more on myself.  What could I change about me that might make a difference?  The kids are the kids&#8230;. the only control I had was over me.  I took a good look at myself and began making small changes.  First, I had to come to grips with being the authority in the room.  I was young, still felt cool, still partied&#8230;. how could they not listen to me?  Next, I had to become incredibally consistant.  I would say the dumbest things&#8230;.like, if you do that again you&#8217;ll never go to gym.  Things I couldn&#8217;t enforce&#8230; I also had to learn to control my own frustrations and hide my buttons. (I once threw a chair across the room out of anger&#8230; shhhhh, don&#8217;t tell)  Consistancy was huge, both for positive and negative consequences&#8230; I would say 5 warnings is 4 too many.  I will call parents on the spot&#8230;. hand the phone to the kid and tell them to tell their parent what they just said. (Yes, I use my cell)  I too have to monitor the halls&#8230;. I stand at the corner of my door where I can see the hall and what&#8217;s going on in my class at the same time.  Have a journal topic everyday&#8230;. just a five minute thing that students do upon entering the class&#8230; something that touches on the topic of the previous day.. you can even just grade it on completion (5 pts) and use the answers as an informal evaluation of how well you got the point across.  If detentions don&#8217;t work&#8230;. don&#8217;t use them.  Find an incentive for your students&#8230;. my first couple of years, I hooked up with another new teacher and showed a flick every Friday that had to be earned with decent behavior.  We took turns watching the kids who didn&#8217;t get to see the movie.  Those kids were asked to write about their behavior and how they could improve it.  I could go on forever&#8230;&#8230; I never thought I&#8217;d make it through that first year and here I am in my 21st year.  Your focus needs to be on classroom management&#8230; content, at this point, somewhat secondary.  Once management is in place, the content will flow.  Please feel free to chat anytime&#8230;I so empathize with you.</p>
<p>Susan Stack<br />
Cleveland Metropolitan Schools</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Maniotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Maniotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dan!
Thanks for sharing your experience with us!  Are there teachers that you see are having successes with these kids?  What are they doing?  How can you get to know them and earn their respect?  I would look around you for supports from those who you admire...someone must be having successes- what are they doing....you&#039;ll ahve ot get your own style, but having that conversation might help you to build a network of support that can sustain your efforts. 

Also when things get better consider collaborating...with others, librarian, tech teacher, other teachers to get the job you want done...so many times we feel like we gotta go it alone- but dont!  Find those supports!
BESt WISHES!
Leslie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan!<br />
Thanks for sharing your experience with us!  Are there teachers that you see are having successes with these kids?  What are they doing?  How can you get to know them and earn their respect?  I would look around you for supports from those who you admire&#8230;someone must be having successes- what are they doing&#8230;.you&#8217;ll ahve ot get your own style, but having that conversation might help you to build a network of support that can sustain your efforts. </p>
<p>Also when things get better consider collaborating&#8230;with others, librarian, tech teacher, other teachers to get the job you want done&#8230;so many times we feel like we gotta go it alone- but dont!  Find those supports!<br />
BESt WISHES!<br />
Leslie</p>
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		<title>By: OUSD Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>OUSD Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan, 

I have been there. My first year, I lost ten pounds. I frequently locked my door after school and just sat and cried. I spent HOURS preparing engaging lessons only to have them ruined by disruptive students or my own inexperience. I&#039;ve now been teaching 4 years and I feel that I well am on my way to becoming an excellent teacher. All I can say, is hang in there. The first two years are hell for everyone. It is an INSANE job, but the rewards are great if you can persevere. 

One point of advice: get your principal to grant you a sub so you can spend one day a week in an experienced teacher&#039;s room (same grade level). Find out who is good in Oakland and go and observe them for an entire day. Take copious notes, then steal ideas from the best -it&#039;s a time-honored teaching tradition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, </p>
<p>I have been there. My first year, I lost ten pounds. I frequently locked my door after school and just sat and cried. I spent HOURS preparing engaging lessons only to have them ruined by disruptive students or my own inexperience. I&#8217;ve now been teaching 4 years and I feel that I well am on my way to becoming an excellent teacher. All I can say, is hang in there. The first two years are hell for everyone. It is an INSANE job, but the rewards are great if you can persevere. </p>
<p>One point of advice: get your principal to grant you a sub so you can spend one day a week in an experienced teacher&#8217;s room (same grade level). Find out who is good in Oakland and go and observe them for an entire day. Take copious notes, then steal ideas from the best -it&#8217;s a time-honored teaching tradition.</p>
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		<title>By: cranky teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Owen, I agree: Teach for America is not the problem, it is a symptom, and those who participate in that program should not be shunned or undermined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen, I agree: Teach for America is not the problem, it is a symptom, and those who participate in that program should not be shunned or undermined.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dan indeed deserves our plaudits and our gratitude for his work. I wonder, though, if this online community would be so laudatory and appreciative if Dan were a Teach For America teacher? Perhaps he is; still, here I&#039;m seeing accolades for his struggling to overcome really challenging circumstances, while the response to similar tales from TFA teachers is often along the lines of &quot;It serves you right.&quot;

Indeed, though, Dan: hang in there, and thanks for your hard and important work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan indeed deserves our plaudits and our gratitude for his work. I wonder, though, if this online community would be so laudatory and appreciative if Dan were a Teach For America teacher? Perhaps he is; still, here I&#8217;m seeing accolades for his struggling to overcome really challenging circumstances, while the response to similar tales from TFA teachers is often along the lines of &#8220;It serves you right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, though, Dan: hang in there, and thanks for your hard and important work.</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, I truly feel that society has gone mad with feel good and ploitical correctness! Whye does this guy have to tolerate fools and nonsense(including parents).

man I have talked with school leaders who cater everything to ignirant controlling parents simply because of parental Involvement criteria. Why?!

Or ith others , such as the ghetto schools my kids once went too (anonymous) where bullish kids got away with almost anything because referrals, dtentions ans suspensions meant nothing to them or their families- and of course- expulsion of minorities is racist!

You are being offered band aids to cover a bullet to the vital organs wound. A paradigm shift is needed for education. Bureacrats and policy do gooders need to stay away- then we will see change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I truly feel that society has gone mad with feel good and ploitical correctness! Whye does this guy have to tolerate fools and nonsense(including parents).</p>
<p>man I have talked with school leaders who cater everything to ignirant controlling parents simply because of parental Involvement criteria. Why?!</p>
<p>Or ith others , such as the ghetto schools my kids once went too (anonymous) where bullish kids got away with almost anything because referrals, dtentions ans suspensions meant nothing to them or their families- and of course- expulsion of minorities is racist!</p>
<p>You are being offered band aids to cover a bullet to the vital organs wound. A paradigm shift is needed for education. Bureacrats and policy do gooders need to stay away- then we will see change.</p>
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