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	<title>Comments on: Families alerted about attempted sexual assault of 12-year-old &#8212; a week later</title>
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		<title>By: Union Supporter-But</title>
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		<dc:creator>Union Supporter-But</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday&#039;s Tribune (Saturday, January 23, 2010) finally printed the sketch of the guy who attacked the middle school girl 19 days earlier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday&#8217;s Tribune (Saturday, January 23, 2010) finally printed the sketch of the guy who attacked the middle school girl 19 days earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and don&#039;t change the subject about what the police may or may not have done.  Their charge is different that the schools and they have a lesser duty to protect and prevent crime.

You cannot sue the City or the Police for not responding to a call for help or not coming to your aid or not protecting you.  You are responsible for your own protection and that of your children.  The schools are in place of parents and do have a duty to the children to use reasonable means to protect them from forseeable danger on campus, to and from and at school functions. The city doesn&#039;t even have to have police patrols.

Once the school is on notice of a hazard affecting the kids in these settings they have to react reasonably. They may not have to provide escorts to and from school but they may never remain silent about known hazards when any reasonable person would have at least warned or taken other steps to abate the hazard.

And if you really care about your charges you don&#039;t need classroom training to react. If these administrators failed to react maybe it was because they were forbidden to do so or thought they were by school policies not disclosed to us. It&#039;s not unusual for schools to secretly forbid or discourage police calls or child abuse reports. It&#039;s also not unusal (normal even) for medical facilities to forbid revelation of misconduct or even criminal activity except to closed channels.  In other words Nurses are forbidden in writing under pain of firing or worse from telling you or the police about any number of negligent or criminal things done to you they learn about. That may seem off the subject but in defense of these administrators or teachers their hands may have been tied by bad school protocol interfering with reporting.

Such policies are common when the customers are perceived as disposable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t change the subject about what the police may or may not have done.  Their charge is different that the schools and they have a lesser duty to protect and prevent crime.</p>
<p>You cannot sue the City or the Police for not responding to a call for help or not coming to your aid or not protecting you.  You are responsible for your own protection and that of your children.  The schools are in place of parents and do have a duty to the children to use reasonable means to protect them from forseeable danger on campus, to and from and at school functions. The city doesn&#8217;t even have to have police patrols.</p>
<p>Once the school is on notice of a hazard affecting the kids in these settings they have to react reasonably. They may not have to provide escorts to and from school but they may never remain silent about known hazards when any reasonable person would have at least warned or taken other steps to abate the hazard.</p>
<p>And if you really care about your charges you don&#8217;t need classroom training to react. If these administrators failed to react maybe it was because they were forbidden to do so or thought they were by school policies not disclosed to us. It&#8217;s not unusual for schools to secretly forbid or discourage police calls or child abuse reports. It&#8217;s also not unusal (normal even) for medical facilities to forbid revelation of misconduct or even criminal activity except to closed channels.  In other words Nurses are forbidden in writing under pain of firing or worse from telling you or the police about any number of negligent or criminal things done to you they learn about. That may seem off the subject but in defense of these administrators or teachers their hands may have been tied by bad school protocol interfering with reporting.</p>
<p>Such policies are common when the customers are perceived as disposable.</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wannabe, it&#039;s clear there was an incident. No crying wolf here. As such, everyone should have been notified - immediately. And to your point: An ounce of prevention...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wannabe, it&#8217;s clear there was an incident. No crying wolf here. As such, everyone should have been notified &#8211; immediately. And to your point: An ounce of prevention&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wannabe and Harlemmoon:

I am not surprised at your response and the information about who is running the OUSD school in question that failed and neglected to warn families about a predator lurking nearby having approached a students.  My comments stand.

Union Supporter&#039;s example of what a real school does when it&#039;s students are threatened is classic. This is nothing new, warnings like this have been (quickly) published by decent schools public and private for 100 years.

The staff at the suspect school appear to be so far gone from proper concern that they would utter excuses why they didn&#039;t act. That&#039;s what people who don&#039;t care do.  They cannot help the way they don&#039;t feel.  To their credit they may well be acting under secret orders from OUSD limiting when and how they are ever permitted to publish family notices and warnings. I don&#039;t actually point at them individually since I can&#039;t possibly know the working conditions they must have to live under working in a failed school system such as OUSD. And I&#039;m very impressed if the bathrooms are clean since that is a very important indicator of the care and concern resident in any particular school. 

But.

Collectively, thie OUSD school and school system are not caring for the safety of the children and the white schools do. There, I&#039;ve said it.

There are different standards going on in Calif public education and much of the differences are tied to the decisions of the operators to pacify the minority populations in education by not shaking them up or letting on to them that they are not being treated as well as or as importantly as some others who are. The cardinal rule is not &quot;upsetting&quot; anybody. Or maybe it&#039;s don&#039;t pee on them if they&#039;re on fire. I don&#039;t know. Sometimes words fail me. But I do know this kind of treatment when it&#039;s going on.

What we are complaining here couldn&#039;t happen in a white school district. It would be unthinkable. And that&#039;s how I see it. They react to even more discreet threats to their kids such as some wierdo on Facebook -because they consider every one of their students more valuable and more important than you-know-who.

Tell me how I&#039;m wrong. I&#039;d feel better if I were. 

OUSD deserves much scorn for this one - if it&#039;s true. I wasn&#039;t there.  I&#039;m only going on the thread we are discussing. I hope this isn&#039;t true. But I am not surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wannabe and Harlemmoon:</p>
<p>I am not surprised at your response and the information about who is running the OUSD school in question that failed and neglected to warn families about a predator lurking nearby having approached a students.  My comments stand.</p>
<p>Union Supporter&#8217;s example of what a real school does when it&#8217;s students are threatened is classic. This is nothing new, warnings like this have been (quickly) published by decent schools public and private for 100 years.</p>
<p>The staff at the suspect school appear to be so far gone from proper concern that they would utter excuses why they didn&#8217;t act. That&#8217;s what people who don&#8217;t care do.  They cannot help the way they don&#8217;t feel.  To their credit they may well be acting under secret orders from OUSD limiting when and how they are ever permitted to publish family notices and warnings. I don&#8217;t actually point at them individually since I can&#8217;t possibly know the working conditions they must have to live under working in a failed school system such as OUSD. And I&#8217;m very impressed if the bathrooms are clean since that is a very important indicator of the care and concern resident in any particular school. </p>
<p>But.</p>
<p>Collectively, thie OUSD school and school system are not caring for the safety of the children and the white schools do. There, I&#8217;ve said it.</p>
<p>There are different standards going on in Calif public education and much of the differences are tied to the decisions of the operators to pacify the minority populations in education by not shaking them up or letting on to them that they are not being treated as well as or as importantly as some others who are. The cardinal rule is not &#8220;upsetting&#8221; anybody. Or maybe it&#8217;s don&#8217;t pee on them if they&#8217;re on fire. I don&#8217;t know. Sometimes words fail me. But I do know this kind of treatment when it&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>What we are complaining here couldn&#8217;t happen in a white school district. It would be unthinkable. And that&#8217;s how I see it. They react to even more discreet threats to their kids such as some wierdo on Facebook -because they consider every one of their students more valuable and more important than you-know-who.</p>
<p>Tell me how I&#8217;m wrong. I&#8217;d feel better if I were. </p>
<p>OUSD deserves much scorn for this one &#8211; if it&#8217;s true. I wasn&#8217;t there.  I&#8217;m only going on the thread we are discussing. I hope this isn&#8217;t true. But I am not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Union Supporter-But</title>
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		<dc:creator>Union Supporter-But</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We often talk about the things wrong in Oakland, the lack of transparency and whether we really care about our kids. We have argued frequently about how Oakland and Oakland Unified cares just as much about our students safety as any well-functioning school district. 

I believe we do not care in the same way. We care in a way that first protects adults, then protects adults financially and then finally protects children. I am attaching a notice that middle school families in Lafayette received via email and by physical paper within one day of a student bringing this to an adult&#039;s attention. This is what a functioning district that truly cares about its students BEFORE caring about money or before caring about adults in the case where students MAY be in danger - before an actual danger exists:

Hello Stanley Families-

We have recently learned about an individual whom we are concerned about on the Facebook social networking website. Please ask your student if they have a Facebook account, and if they have been invited recently to be a friend by someone they don’t know.

Our concerns regarding this individual are several:
· Students have no idea who this individual is, and large numbers of current and former Stanley students have “friend”ed this stranger
· This individual continues to make friend requests of our current and former students
· Rumors are that one of the Stanley administrators is the secret identity of this individual (not true)
· Suggestions are also being made that the individual may be a predator
· By “friending” this individual, students have made their own Facebook profiles open to a stranger.

We are in touch with Facebook administrators and the Lafayette Police Department to explore all the options available to us regarding this page. If your child has a Facebook account, we strongly recommend that you use this opportunity to discuss cyber safety issues with regards to online strangers and predators. We also recommend sitting with your child reviewing your child’s Facebook “friends”. We think it advisable that they remove any “friends” they don’t personally know. Remember, a Facebook “friend” has access to virtually all the postings and profile information your child has on his or her site. Thanks again for helping us to make all our students safe and responsible.

Please call or email me with any concerns or questions. If you have any information about this person, please don’t hesitate to contact us here in the office at 927-3530.

David Schrag
Principal, Stanley Middle School
3455 School Street
Lafayette, CA. 94549
925-927-3531
925-283-1797 Fax
dschrag@lafsd.k12.ca.us]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We often talk about the things wrong in Oakland, the lack of transparency and whether we really care about our kids. We have argued frequently about how Oakland and Oakland Unified cares just as much about our students safety as any well-functioning school district. </p>
<p>I believe we do not care in the same way. We care in a way that first protects adults, then protects adults financially and then finally protects children. I am attaching a notice that middle school families in Lafayette received via email and by physical paper within one day of a student bringing this to an adult&#8217;s attention. This is what a functioning district that truly cares about its students BEFORE caring about money or before caring about adults in the case where students MAY be in danger &#8211; before an actual danger exists:</p>
<p>Hello Stanley Families-</p>
<p>We have recently learned about an individual whom we are concerned about on the Facebook social networking website. Please ask your student if they have a Facebook account, and if they have been invited recently to be a friend by someone they don’t know.</p>
<p>Our concerns regarding this individual are several:<br />
· Students have no idea who this individual is, and large numbers of current and former Stanley students have “friend”ed this stranger<br />
· This individual continues to make friend requests of our current and former students<br />
· Rumors are that one of the Stanley administrators is the secret identity of this individual (not true)<br />
· Suggestions are also being made that the individual may be a predator<br />
· By “friending” this individual, students have made their own Facebook profiles open to a stranger.</p>
<p>We are in touch with Facebook administrators and the Lafayette Police Department to explore all the options available to us regarding this page. If your child has a Facebook account, we strongly recommend that you use this opportunity to discuss cyber safety issues with regards to online strangers and predators. We also recommend sitting with your child reviewing your child’s Facebook “friends”. We think it advisable that they remove any “friends” they don’t personally know. Remember, a Facebook “friend” has access to virtually all the postings and profile information your child has on his or her site. Thanks again for helping us to make all our students safe and responsible.</p>
<p>Please call or email me with any concerns or questions. If you have any information about this person, please don’t hesitate to contact us here in the office at 927-3530.</p>
<p>David Schrag<br />
Principal, Stanley Middle School<br />
3455 School Street<br />
Lafayette, CA. 94549<br />
925-927-3531<br />
925-283-1797 Fax<br />
<a href="mailto:dschrag@lafsd.k12.ca.us">dschrag@lafsd.k12.ca.us</a></p>
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		<title>By: wannabe teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabe teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I was trying to say, Harlemmoon is don&#039;t be so harsh on the principals. Nextset says he can tell they don&#039;t care about the kids from their actions but I am saying he doesn&#039;t know any thing about that and not to make snap judgments. You don&#039;t know whey they didn&#039;t tell the parents the next day so why not wait until you know facts instead of jumping to conclusions. And do you think it is better to cry fire in a crowded theater or wait until you know if there is really a fire? (rhetorical question  because obviously you do).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I was trying to say, Harlemmoon is don&#8217;t be so harsh on the principals. Nextset says he can tell they don&#8217;t care about the kids from their actions but I am saying he doesn&#8217;t know any thing about that and not to make snap judgments. You don&#8217;t know whey they didn&#8217;t tell the parents the next day so why not wait until you know facts instead of jumping to conclusions. And do you think it is better to cry fire in a crowded theater or wait until you know if there is really a fire? (rhetorical question  because obviously you do).</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better to &quot;panic&quot; the students, Wannabe, than to have even one of them viciously assaulted, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better to &#8220;panic&#8221; the students, Wannabe, than to have even one of them viciously assaulted, no?</p>
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		<title>By: wannabe teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>wannabe teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently worked at that school and the principals (there are two) are both African-American and I know they care about their students. I used the girls&#039; bathroom and it was perfectly clean. I am not sure there is a clean boys&#039; bathroom anywhere due to boys being boys. Maybe they made an error in not mentioning it right away but perhaps they were afraid of panicking the students. Give them the benefit of the doubt.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently worked at that school and the principals (there are two) are both African-American and I know they care about their students. I used the girls&#8217; bathroom and it was perfectly clean. I am not sure there is a clean boys&#8217; bathroom anywhere due to boys being boys. Maybe they made an error in not mentioning it right away but perhaps they were afraid of panicking the students. Give them the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Nextset; after all, we all know that humans beings are perfect in every way.  Thus, any suboptimal outcome cannot possibly be the result of oversight, or mistake, or other human failing, but rather can only be intentional or &quot;not caring.&quot;  Heck, I&#039;m pretty sure all the adults at that school are kicking themselves because they didn&#039;t think of attacking kids themselves.

And, apparently, human beings are omniscient as well; otherwise, how could the prepubescent Nextset possibly know that parents were alerted to &quot;every&quot; incident near his elementary school? Oh, right, those were the &quot;good old days,&quot; so everything was better back then -- that&#039;s what &quot;good old&quot; means, after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Nextset; after all, we all know that humans beings are perfect in every way.  Thus, any suboptimal outcome cannot possibly be the result of oversight, or mistake, or other human failing, but rather can only be intentional or &#8220;not caring.&#8221;  Heck, I&#8217;m pretty sure all the adults at that school are kicking themselves because they didn&#8217;t think of attacking kids themselves.</p>
<p>And, apparently, human beings are omniscient as well; otherwise, how could the prepubescent Nextset possibly know that parents were alerted to &#8220;every&#8221; incident near his elementary school? Oh, right, those were the &#8220;good old days,&#8221; so everything was better back then &#8212; that&#8217;s what &#8220;good old&#8221; means, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No question that there was an scandalous failure to communicate this awful incident to the school community. But the police also bear some responsibility, too. After all, the incident was reported to the authorities. And if, as the mother indicated, there was a similar attack, it behooves the police to solicit the public&#039;s help in capturing the suspect.
Ideally, the police and the schools are working hand-in-hand on such high-profile issues that impact he safety and security of students, staff and the larger school community. No that the word is out perhaps we&#039;ll see a letter to parents, cops will step up patrols, and perhaps someone got a look at the suspect so that a sketch can me made and disseminated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question that there was an scandalous failure to communicate this awful incident to the school community. But the police also bear some responsibility, too. After all, the incident was reported to the authorities. And if, as the mother indicated, there was a similar attack, it behooves the police to solicit the public&#8217;s help in capturing the suspect.<br />
Ideally, the police and the schools are working hand-in-hand on such high-profile issues that impact he safety and security of students, staff and the larger school community. No that the word is out perhaps we&#8217;ll see a letter to parents, cops will step up patrols, and perhaps someone got a look at the suspect so that a sketch can me made and disseminated.</p>
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