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		<title>By: Miss P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading this article and some of the post on the subject, I still feel confident in my analysis that this is more of a &quot;money&quot; game than an &quot;education&quot; game.  I see now how public education has taken over where non-profit organizations left off.  

In a recession there is supposedly no money to fund the non-profit programs... but we can&#039;t deny the public schools.

In my experience most of the principles of these new Oakland Small Schools and Charter Schools are very business savvy.  They know where and how to get the money. Period.  Thank God some positive results are necessary to get this money or our children would be faring much worse.  I believe that for most of these principles it is more about creating a comfortable work environment for themselves than actually serving the children.  They are egotistical and self serving... so the best you can do is find one that serves themselves well so that your children will actually reap some benefits.

I worked with one principle who walk through his campus with a confident and somewhat arrogant stride, like he was the big man in charge.  However whenever I had a question he would magically disappear, or refer me to his secretary.  When his school had no hot water and the children had to eat the same cold bologna and cheese sandwiches for three or four weeks straight, he magically disappeared, out of town on business or family emergency.  I found it laughable when the boiler was fixed, he magically reappeared.

I have experienced another principle that allowed the student bathroom at her school to go without soap for over a year. I know for a fact these were not the conditions of the staff restrooms.  Installing internet services throughout the school, or providing the kids with updated technology like a mobile laptop cart was not a top priority here... but the salad bar is a major hit.

I&#039;m not from Oakland, but I have been around long enough to see what is really going on here.  My parents were a part of the &quot;flight&quot; movement of the 80&#039;s.  I was raised in some other valley.  So I understand very well about the &quot;Grass Valley&quot; mentality, and it saddens me.  I am Black, and I have experienced even among my own people a sense of separate... and not equal.  It may not be obvious to some people that have been in Oakland most or all of their lives, but I assure you it is quite apparent to someone on the outside looking in.

I teach here (OUSD), and my children attend school here.  That is because I live here, and I refuse to allow stereotypes the power to define me, my children, their level of intelligence, or the quality of their education.  I thought about commuting my kids out to New Haven School District (where I graduated from), but then I realized not only should I not have to... I don&#039;t want to.  I send my kids to these schools with full knowledge that their education is in my hands. Period.  

As parents, and educators, we simply have to take personal responsibility for the work we do.  And I am thankful for every educator out there that is committed to doing what is best for these children, even if if has to be AGAINST all of the the odds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading this article and some of the post on the subject, I still feel confident in my analysis that this is more of a &#8220;money&#8221; game than an &#8220;education&#8221; game.  I see now how public education has taken over where non-profit organizations left off.  </p>
<p>In a recession there is supposedly no money to fund the non-profit programs&#8230; but we can&#8217;t deny the public schools.</p>
<p>In my experience most of the principles of these new Oakland Small Schools and Charter Schools are very business savvy.  They know where and how to get the money. Period.  Thank God some positive results are necessary to get this money or our children would be faring much worse.  I believe that for most of these principles it is more about creating a comfortable work environment for themselves than actually serving the children.  They are egotistical and self serving&#8230; so the best you can do is find one that serves themselves well so that your children will actually reap some benefits.</p>
<p>I worked with one principle who walk through his campus with a confident and somewhat arrogant stride, like he was the big man in charge.  However whenever I had a question he would magically disappear, or refer me to his secretary.  When his school had no hot water and the children had to eat the same cold bologna and cheese sandwiches for three or four weeks straight, he magically disappeared, out of town on business or family emergency.  I found it laughable when the boiler was fixed, he magically reappeared.</p>
<p>I have experienced another principle that allowed the student bathroom at her school to go without soap for over a year. I know for a fact these were not the conditions of the staff restrooms.  Installing internet services throughout the school, or providing the kids with updated technology like a mobile laptop cart was not a top priority here&#8230; but the salad bar is a major hit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not from Oakland, but I have been around long enough to see what is really going on here.  My parents were a part of the &#8220;flight&#8221; movement of the 80&#8242;s.  I was raised in some other valley.  So I understand very well about the &#8220;Grass Valley&#8221; mentality, and it saddens me.  I am Black, and I have experienced even among my own people a sense of separate&#8230; and not equal.  It may not be obvious to some people that have been in Oakland most or all of their lives, but I assure you it is quite apparent to someone on the outside looking in.</p>
<p>I teach here (OUSD), and my children attend school here.  That is because I live here, and I refuse to allow stereotypes the power to define me, my children, their level of intelligence, or the quality of their education.  I thought about commuting my kids out to New Haven School District (where I graduated from), but then I realized not only should I not have to&#8230; I don&#8217;t want to.  I send my kids to these schools with full knowledge that their education is in my hands. Period.  </p>
<p>As parents, and educators, we simply have to take personal responsibility for the work we do.  And I am thankful for every educator out there that is committed to doing what is best for these children, even if if has to be AGAINST all of the the odds.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[typo on the last line,  &quot;You wil see me when...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo on the last line,  &#8220;You wil see me when&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A. Byrd:  Thanks for the feedback. Let&#039;s continue to meet and confer here. It could be fun.

By the way, can you tell us something about yourself - so we can understand where your point of view comes from?  You appear to be black, female, and a public school teacher. What education? Age range? upbringing?

I don&#039;t expect we will agree on much of anything. That&#039;s all good. The real shock is if we ever do agree on something. And that will happen sometime.
I don&#039;t encounter many like you in my field.  They don&#039;t last very long. You can probably say the same.

One of the things I do like about Katy&#039;s Blog is the difference between the various posters. In our lives we don&#039;t mingle with the polar opposites. We don&#039;t listen to them either - and if I were to make my points in a room with liberals - and orthodox blacks - they would be unable to retain their composure (chimp out?). Sad but true. Free debate doesn&#039;t exist with liberals, as anyone with experience with CA Universities sees daily. 

Oakland Parent/Teacher mentioned above that I hide behind anonimity. Well, it&#039;s my choice as to when and where I put myself out to strangers. And yours. I would not waste my breath trying to tell a fool to get off the railroad tracks.  And I mean that. Been there, done it. I won&#039;t contribute one penny to Haiti either. Why fight evolution in action? My interests are closer to home. In the work I do I can try to fix or save one person at a time.  As I get older I&#039;m more picky as to who I really exert for. So no, I&#039;m not interested in more than a form of muttering the emperor has no clothes. Somebody should do it. Other readers here just might get jogged into new lines of thought. Hopefully younger ones.

You will see when everytime somebody here says &quot;Why oh why are all these bad things happening to us!!&quot;

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. Byrd:  Thanks for the feedback. Let&#8217;s continue to meet and confer here. It could be fun.</p>
<p>By the way, can you tell us something about yourself &#8211; so we can understand where your point of view comes from?  You appear to be black, female, and a public school teacher. What education? Age range? upbringing?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect we will agree on much of anything. That&#8217;s all good. The real shock is if we ever do agree on something. And that will happen sometime.<br />
I don&#8217;t encounter many like you in my field.  They don&#8217;t last very long. You can probably say the same.</p>
<p>One of the things I do like about Katy&#8217;s Blog is the difference between the various posters. In our lives we don&#8217;t mingle with the polar opposites. We don&#8217;t listen to them either &#8211; and if I were to make my points in a room with liberals &#8211; and orthodox blacks &#8211; they would be unable to retain their composure (chimp out?). Sad but true. Free debate doesn&#8217;t exist with liberals, as anyone with experience with CA Universities sees daily. </p>
<p>Oakland Parent/Teacher mentioned above that I hide behind anonimity. Well, it&#8217;s my choice as to when and where I put myself out to strangers. And yours. I would not waste my breath trying to tell a fool to get off the railroad tracks.  And I mean that. Been there, done it. I won&#8217;t contribute one penny to Haiti either. Why fight evolution in action? My interests are closer to home. In the work I do I can try to fix or save one person at a time.  As I get older I&#8217;m more picky as to who I really exert for. So no, I&#8217;m not interested in more than a form of muttering the emperor has no clothes. Somebody should do it. Other readers here just might get jogged into new lines of thought. Hopefully younger ones.</p>
<p>You will see when everytime somebody here says &#8220;Why oh why are all these bad things happening to us!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/02/16/oakland-school-to-be-showcased-for-success-of-black-students/comment-page-1/#comment-24320</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still hold that it was unnecessary and counterproductive to be comparing one principal to another, when the new principal was not the subject. The thread was about African American student success; it would have been enough to mention that the school itself had a real record of success. Now, if the topic itself was problems with a school&#039;s leadership (as we saw here last year with another school), then all bets are off.

Yes, school leadership is crucial. I can also say from (unwanted) experience, that sometimes a school leader can be perceived as doing well, but inside the school is crumbling. Nexos really have no idea of what goes on in most schools. But I still hold that unless someone in particular is being discussed, it is not okay to just put out criticisms of random people. We all (teachers and site principals) have hard enough jobs without having to face that with our morning coffee.

I do disagree that one comment would lead to seeds of doubt. I give teachers/parents more credit than that. There has to be doubt there already. I really hope this blog is not going to be used as a forum for that. If people need to say something, it should not be hidden inside another message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still hold that it was unnecessary and counterproductive to be comparing one principal to another, when the new principal was not the subject. The thread was about African American student success; it would have been enough to mention that the school itself had a real record of success. Now, if the topic itself was problems with a school&#8217;s leadership (as we saw here last year with another school), then all bets are off.</p>
<p>Yes, school leadership is crucial. I can also say from (unwanted) experience, that sometimes a school leader can be perceived as doing well, but inside the school is crumbling. Nexos really have no idea of what goes on in most schools. But I still hold that unless someone in particular is being discussed, it is not okay to just put out criticisms of random people. We all (teachers and site principals) have hard enough jobs without having to face that with our morning coffee.</p>
<p>I do disagree that one comment would lead to seeds of doubt. I give teachers/parents more credit than that. There has to be doubt there already. I really hope this blog is not going to be used as a forum for that. If people need to say something, it should not be hidden inside another message.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/02/16/oakland-school-to-be-showcased-for-success-of-black-students/comment-page-1/#comment-24315</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see what you&#039;re saying, I really do. Sometimes it&#039;s hard for me to know exactly where to draw the line (though I avoid censoring comments as much as possible). In this case, however, I don&#039;t believe the commenter came close.

Now, back to the thread...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying, I really do. Sometimes it&#8217;s hard for me to know exactly where to draw the line (though I avoid censoring comments as much as possible). In this case, however, I don&#8217;t believe the commenter came close.</p>
<p>Now, back to the thread&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Parent/Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Parent/Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oakland Educator, thank you for providing clarification. And yes, I agree, we do need to acknowledge the hard work of our teachers and leaders. 

Now Katy, I agree that as public officials, school administrators are open to evaluation and scrutiny, especially given the huge impact that leadership has on schools. However, this forum is not legitimate! It is based on opinion alone, and not backed by data. I’ve witnessed school leaders be raked over the coals on your blog! Good people, who I know work tirelessly to the detriment of their health and their personal/family life, only to be slashed to pieces by someone on your blog with an obvious grudge. And all of these comments are one sided opinions and only speak to a tiny segment of their job. There is an obvious lack of balance; after all there are two sides to every story. And underneath every action, there is a motive. Not to mention anonymity allows people to be careless and mean-spirit because their identity is protected. (Nextset is a primary example of this) We expect school leaders to be strong and bold. We expect them to hold the line and fight for what students need and deserve. But I would argue that this task is difficult with a forum that can literally annihilate one’s spirit, and more importantly, destroy the confidence a school community has in its leader. All it takes is a mere suggestion and the seed of doubt is planted. Unfortunately, slander is one of the risks school leaders have to deal with when they assume a public position. But that does NOT make it right! This country has freedom of speech, but is also has due process rights for a reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oakland Educator, thank you for providing clarification. And yes, I agree, we do need to acknowledge the hard work of our teachers and leaders. </p>
<p>Now Katy, I agree that as public officials, school administrators are open to evaluation and scrutiny, especially given the huge impact that leadership has on schools. However, this forum is not legitimate! It is based on opinion alone, and not backed by data. I’ve witnessed school leaders be raked over the coals on your blog! Good people, who I know work tirelessly to the detriment of their health and their personal/family life, only to be slashed to pieces by someone on your blog with an obvious grudge. And all of these comments are one sided opinions and only speak to a tiny segment of their job. There is an obvious lack of balance; after all there are two sides to every story. And underneath every action, there is a motive. Not to mention anonymity allows people to be careless and mean-spirit because their identity is protected. (Nextset is a primary example of this) We expect school leaders to be strong and bold. We expect them to hold the line and fight for what students need and deserve. But I would argue that this task is difficult with a forum that can literally annihilate one’s spirit, and more importantly, destroy the confidence a school community has in its leader. All it takes is a mere suggestion and the seed of doubt is planted. Unfortunately, slander is one of the risks school leaders have to deal with when they assume a public position. But that does NOT make it right! This country has freedom of speech, but is also has due process rights for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Educator</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/02/16/oakland-school-to-be-showcased-for-success-of-black-students/comment-page-1/#comment-24309</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Oakland Teacher: My posting was in response to the prompt that Katy asked at the end of her article: If you were organizing a conference to share ideas about improving the education of African-American children, which schools would you invite?  It was not meant to &quot;slam&quot; anyone, and I am sorry if you were offended.  You should check out Sankofa because they really are amazing.  My point in meantioning the previous and current leaders was two-fold: first, I wanted to give credit where it is due, which is to the previous leadership, and second, I wanted to comment on how crucial solid leadership and teaching are in impacting the achievement of kids. Sometimes the policies in Oakland and the design of certain jobs are such that the work becomes unsustainable, and I think is extremely important to keep pointing out that great teaching and great leadership are the things that make the difference.  We all have to come together to support and sustain this greatness when it happens so that our kids are provided with quality education. Sankofa teachers are an example of this greatness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Oakland Teacher: My posting was in response to the prompt that Katy asked at the end of her article: If you were organizing a conference to share ideas about improving the education of African-American children, which schools would you invite?  It was not meant to &#8220;slam&#8221; anyone, and I am sorry if you were offended.  You should check out Sankofa because they really are amazing.  My point in meantioning the previous and current leaders was two-fold: first, I wanted to give credit where it is due, which is to the previous leadership, and second, I wanted to comment on how crucial solid leadership and teaching are in impacting the achievement of kids. Sometimes the policies in Oakland and the design of certain jobs are such that the work becomes unsustainable, and I think is extremely important to keep pointing out that great teaching and great leadership are the things that make the difference.  We all have to come together to support and sustain this greatness when it happens so that our kids are provided with quality education. Sankofa teachers are an example of this greatness.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nextset

Clearly you are intimidated by an &quot;educated Black&quot; who speaks her mind.  Is calling me &quot;ghetto&quot; the best that you can do?  Who appears weak now?  Work on your rebuttals and get back to me.  I think that your response is hilarious, thanks for making me laugh today! You are the very reason why I decided to become a teacher.  I wanted to help my minority students succeed in a country with persons like yourself...judgmental, close-minded, and somewhat out of touch with reality by the use of their stereotypes.

Sorry to disappoint you, but slavery has ended.  You don&#039;t get to play the race card with me :-)  Yea, there&#039;s all types of Blacks, as with any race.  Again, KUDOS to TCN for helping our Black students succeed, whatever type of Black you may consider them, and the Latino students as well.  Yay, for public education!!!  Review my comment on #13 with my reply to this debate.  It remains the same.

I am happy to attend a panel discussion with you any day.  Thank you kindly for the invite.  By the way, there are more people in this country who are &quot;unsuccessful Whites&quot; considering they are the majority and all.  I am thankful to know that all people in this world are not as confused as you.  In closing, February is Black History Month...not Black sub-group month.

P.S.  All of the Liberals want you to have a Terrific Thursday!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nextset</p>
<p>Clearly you are intimidated by an &#8220;educated Black&#8221; who speaks her mind.  Is calling me &#8220;ghetto&#8221; the best that you can do?  Who appears weak now?  Work on your rebuttals and get back to me.  I think that your response is hilarious, thanks for making me laugh today! You are the very reason why I decided to become a teacher.  I wanted to help my minority students succeed in a country with persons like yourself&#8230;judgmental, close-minded, and somewhat out of touch with reality by the use of their stereotypes.</p>
<p>Sorry to disappoint you, but slavery has ended.  You don&#8217;t get to play the race card with me <img src='http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Yea, there&#8217;s all types of Blacks, as with any race.  Again, KUDOS to TCN for helping our Black students succeed, whatever type of Black you may consider them, and the Latino students as well.  Yay, for public education!!!  Review my comment on #13 with my reply to this debate.  It remains the same.</p>
<p>I am happy to attend a panel discussion with you any day.  Thank you kindly for the invite.  By the way, there are more people in this country who are &#8220;unsuccessful Whites&#8221; considering they are the majority and all.  I am thankful to know that all people in this world are not as confused as you.  In closing, February is Black History Month&#8230;not Black sub-group month.</p>
<p>P.S.  All of the Liberals want you to have a Terrific Thursday!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Rieves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy Rieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to AC Mom - I am a parent of a 6th grade daughter who just graudated from Peralta Elementary School.  We are Af/Am and I, as well as Katy and others, know the Af/Am culture at Peralta and how those students helped Peralta to receive the Title 1 award. Now my daughter attends Claremont which is, by some people, not where she should be. Well guess what? She is still a GATE student with a 4.0 GPA. I chose Peralta for her when she entered kindergarten simply because I wanted her to have an all around education. This school has some of the best teachers and Principal you could find in OUSD. I would not try to compare TCN with Peralta simply because there is a totally different climate at those schools. Nevertheless, we would be happy to share our experiences with others who want to know how schools with a large Af/Am population can achieve success.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to AC Mom &#8211; I am a parent of a 6th grade daughter who just graudated from Peralta Elementary School.  We are Af/Am and I, as well as Katy and others, know the Af/Am culture at Peralta and how those students helped Peralta to receive the Title 1 award. Now my daughter attends Claremont which is, by some people, not where she should be. Well guess what? She is still a GATE student with a 4.0 GPA. I chose Peralta for her when she entered kindergarten simply because I wanted her to have an all around education. This school has some of the best teachers and Principal you could find in OUSD. I would not try to compare TCN with Peralta simply because there is a totally different climate at those schools. Nevertheless, we would be happy to share our experiences with others who want to know how schools with a large Af/Am population can achieve success.</p>
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		<title>By: AC Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was already mentioned that there is no subgroup data for Af/Am students at TCN; but, Grass Valley, Chabot, Peralta, and Kaiser each posted scores above 800 for the Af/Am population.  Glenview, Crocker, Burkhalter, Franklin, Carl Munk, Millsmont, Berkeley Maynard, Cleveland are closing in on that goal (20 or fewer points). So, to respond to your question, I would invite each of those schools to a conference to share their experiences with other educational professionals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was already mentioned that there is no subgroup data for Af/Am students at TCN; but, Grass Valley, Chabot, Peralta, and Kaiser each posted scores above 800 for the Af/Am population.  Glenview, Crocker, Burkhalter, Franklin, Carl Munk, Millsmont, Berkeley Maynard, Cleveland are closing in on that goal (20 or fewer points). So, to respond to your question, I would invite each of those schools to a conference to share their experiences with other educational professionals.</p>
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