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		<title>By: TheTruthHurts</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24856</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTruthHurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s say we agree with Cranky and Sharon that the vast, right wing, corporate conspiracy is out to make us all indentured servants.

What do we do about it?  Accept crappy teaching and mediocrity that proves their point?  Put money into a system that won&#039;t even let us measure if it&#039;s being effective?

I am willing to accept that there are incredibly strong forces that want to undue public rights like education.  I don&#039;t think our president is one of them or that there is evidence in his past (or the recent healthcare legislation) that he is one of them.

Whatever the forces at play, we must still deal with  REALITY.  Voters must support taxation to maintain a public good.  Do you know of any voters ready to pour their own cash into our public school systems in the form the schools are in?  If yes, why haven&#039;t we solved the problems already?  If no, what are we going to do about it?  Did you see what has been necessary to pass suboptimal healthcare reform?

One course in education is to support innovation.  Why?  Because maybe it will prove a way to do things better that people will support. 

Another answer would be to simply say, we aren&#039;t funded well enough.  OK, I can accept that.  How much would California have to spend to catch up with states that are doing well internationally?  Get that number and figure out how much (proportionately) taxes would need to go up to fund it.  While you&#039;re at it, add California&#039;s cost of living into the equation.  Then take that to the ballot and see how far you get.

For those of us on the sidelines, it seems that innovation is the path of least resistance and most probable of success.  However, I&#039;d love to hear an argument to the contrary.  Show me why I should just open my wallet for the system as is and how it will fix 50 years high dropout rates and poorly prepared graduates.  I&#039;m all eyes.

BTW, I agree with the original post that appearances are always important politically.  However, I don&#039;t think school administrators in California or nationally want children to continually fail.  

Politicians?  That&#039;s another story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s say we agree with Cranky and Sharon that the vast, right wing, corporate conspiracy is out to make us all indentured servants.</p>
<p>What do we do about it?  Accept crappy teaching and mediocrity that proves their point?  Put money into a system that won&#8217;t even let us measure if it&#8217;s being effective?</p>
<p>I am willing to accept that there are incredibly strong forces that want to undue public rights like education.  I don&#8217;t think our president is one of them or that there is evidence in his past (or the recent healthcare legislation) that he is one of them.</p>
<p>Whatever the forces at play, we must still deal with  REALITY.  Voters must support taxation to maintain a public good.  Do you know of any voters ready to pour their own cash into our public school systems in the form the schools are in?  If yes, why haven&#8217;t we solved the problems already?  If no, what are we going to do about it?  Did you see what has been necessary to pass suboptimal healthcare reform?</p>
<p>One course in education is to support innovation.  Why?  Because maybe it will prove a way to do things better that people will support. </p>
<p>Another answer would be to simply say, we aren&#8217;t funded well enough.  OK, I can accept that.  How much would California have to spend to catch up with states that are doing well internationally?  Get that number and figure out how much (proportionately) taxes would need to go up to fund it.  While you&#8217;re at it, add California&#8217;s cost of living into the equation.  Then take that to the ballot and see how far you get.</p>
<p>For those of us on the sidelines, it seems that innovation is the path of least resistance and most probable of success.  However, I&#8217;d love to hear an argument to the contrary.  Show me why I should just open my wallet for the system as is and how it will fix 50 years high dropout rates and poorly prepared graduates.  I&#8217;m all eyes.</p>
<p>BTW, I agree with the original post that appearances are always important politically.  However, I don&#8217;t think school administrators in California or nationally want children to continually fail.  </p>
<p>Politicians?  That&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24852</link>
		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lekha Writing - web address is http://www.lekhapublishers.com/

The camp is held at Redwood Day School in the Glenview / Fruitvale area - great campus.

We would have chosen the Bay Area Writing Project at Mills, but my daughter really, really needs the structure of the afternoon where the mechanics of writing are taught. We have looked at the methods of instruction at Lekha as well as the students&#039; interactions with the writing coaches and it is a great program. It&#039;s rather expensive - about $350 per week for morning and afternoon sessions - a little more for before and after care.

The Redwood Day School campus is beautiful. Not much parking as it is in a residential neighborhood and the majority of campus space is used for students rather than parking. Spaces in the camp are filling up fast.

Good Luck - Maybe I&#039;ll see you there!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lekha Writing &#8211; web address is <a href="http://www.lekhapublishers.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lekhapublishers.com/</a></p>
<p>The camp is held at Redwood Day School in the Glenview / Fruitvale area &#8211; great campus.</p>
<p>We would have chosen the Bay Area Writing Project at Mills, but my daughter really, really needs the structure of the afternoon where the mechanics of writing are taught. We have looked at the methods of instruction at Lekha as well as the students&#8217; interactions with the writing coaches and it is a great program. It&#8217;s rather expensive &#8211; about $350 per week for morning and afternoon sessions &#8211; a little more for before and after care.</p>
<p>The Redwood Day School campus is beautiful. Not much parking as it is in a residential neighborhood and the majority of campus space is used for students rather than parking. Spaces in the camp are filling up fast.</p>
<p>Good Luck &#8211; Maybe I&#8217;ll see you there!</p>
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		<title>By: Hills mama</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24823</link>
		<dc:creator>Hills mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debora - which writing camp are you considering?  Would love to know.  Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debora &#8211; which writing camp are you considering?  Would love to know.  Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24812</link>
		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Steve:

I just finished the book Making the Grade. Almost makes a person happy that my daughter will not be tested. However, my daughter&#039;s teacher used the lack of a test as an excuse to eliminate the vocabulary, spelling and proofreading that would normally be done in fourth grade. Except for peer proofing and parent volunteers, not one piece of writing last year or this year - same teacher both years - has been proofread, corrected or otherwise had suggestions made by the teacher. All work is &quot;Read for Content Only.&quot;

&quot;No impact to the student&quot; is the excuse. 

Just had a frustrating conversation with my daughter who is angry that she will have to spend time this summer in writing camp to learn sentence and paragraph structure, Greek and Latin roots, prefixes and suffixes, topic sentences and paragraph ending sentences that lead to the new paragraph. All of these are within the parameters and standards of what should have been taught this year.

I would have loved to donate the money to the PTA again next year benefitting many students instead of spending it bringing up the educational level of just one student.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Steve:</p>
<p>I just finished the book Making the Grade. Almost makes a person happy that my daughter will not be tested. However, my daughter&#8217;s teacher used the lack of a test as an excuse to eliminate the vocabulary, spelling and proofreading that would normally be done in fourth grade. Except for peer proofing and parent volunteers, not one piece of writing last year or this year &#8211; same teacher both years &#8211; has been proofread, corrected or otherwise had suggestions made by the teacher. All work is &#8220;Read for Content Only.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;No impact to the student&#8221; is the excuse. </p>
<p>Just had a frustrating conversation with my daughter who is angry that she will have to spend time this summer in writing camp to learn sentence and paragraph structure, Greek and Latin roots, prefixes and suffixes, topic sentences and paragraph ending sentences that lead to the new paragraph. All of these are within the parameters and standards of what should have been taught this year.</p>
<p>I would have loved to donate the money to the PTA again next year benefitting many students instead of spending it bringing up the educational level of just one student.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 04:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debora:  The State eliminated the 4th grade writing test to save money, see the following from the CDE website:
Budget Act of 2009: Changes to the STAR Program
The Budget Act of 2009 eliminated approximately $6.5 million from the STAR Program. The budget language stipulated that in implementing this reduction, the CDE shall not eliminate any state assessments funded by the budget act. In response, the CDE submitted an expenditure plan outlining proposed reductions to the STAR contract to the Department of Finance for approval. The expenditure plan was approved on August 28, 2009. That document, titled “Pupil Testing Program Fiscal Year 2009-10 Expenditure Plan,” is available on the SBE Information Memoranda Web page. The key eliminations and reductions for the STAR Program include the following:

Elimination of the writing task as a part of the CST and CMA grade four English–language arts assessment 
Elimination of the development of an assessment for the fundamentals 
of algebra 
Elimination of future Web postings of released test questions 
Reduction of the number of test forms 
Elimination of the distribution of administration videos/DVDs 
Elimination of the production and distribution of audio CDs 
Reduction of the number of pre-test workshops 
Elimination of post-test workshops 
Elimination of the STAR Teacher Reports 
Elimination of annual analysis of mark discriminations 
Elimination of the use of security seals on directions for administration 
Reduction of interpretive support materials in languages other than English 
The amount of funding apportioned to school districts for the 2009 and subsequent STAR test administrations will not be impacted by the reductions made as a result of the Budget Act. Information regarding STAR apportionments can be found on the CDE Administrative Documents Web page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debora:  The State eliminated the 4th grade writing test to save money, see the following from the CDE website:<br />
Budget Act of 2009: Changes to the STAR Program<br />
The Budget Act of 2009 eliminated approximately $6.5 million from the STAR Program. The budget language stipulated that in implementing this reduction, the CDE shall not eliminate any state assessments funded by the budget act. In response, the CDE submitted an expenditure plan outlining proposed reductions to the STAR contract to the Department of Finance for approval. The expenditure plan was approved on August 28, 2009. That document, titled “Pupil Testing Program Fiscal Year 2009-10 Expenditure Plan,” is available on the SBE Information Memoranda Web page. The key eliminations and reductions for the STAR Program include the following:</p>
<p>Elimination of the writing task as a part of the CST and CMA grade four English–language arts assessment<br />
Elimination of the development of an assessment for the fundamentals<br />
of algebra<br />
Elimination of future Web postings of released test questions<br />
Reduction of the number of test forms<br />
Elimination of the distribution of administration videos/DVDs<br />
Elimination of the production and distribution of audio CDs<br />
Reduction of the number of pre-test workshops<br />
Elimination of post-test workshops<br />
Elimination of the STAR Teacher Reports<br />
Elimination of annual analysis of mark discriminations<br />
Elimination of the use of security seals on directions for administration<br />
Reduction of interpretive support materials in languages other than English<br />
The amount of funding apportioned to school districts for the 2009 and subsequent STAR test administrations will not be impacted by the reductions made as a result of the Budget Act. Information regarding STAR apportionments can be found on the CDE Administrative Documents Web page.</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy: We were just told by my daughter&#039;s fourth grade teacher that OUSD will not administer the STAR writing test because of budgetary constraints. This is the test that is normally administered to all fourth and seventh grade students throughout the district. 

I have looked on the OUSD website and there is a schedule TO administer the test.

Would you please try to find out the answer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy: We were just told by my daughter&#8217;s fourth grade teacher that OUSD will not administer the STAR writing test because of budgetary constraints. This is the test that is normally administered to all fourth and seventh grade students throughout the district. </p>
<p>I have looked on the OUSD website and there is a schedule TO administer the test.</p>
<p>Would you please try to find out the answer?</p>
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		<title>By: CarolineSF</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24799</link>
		<dc:creator>CarolineSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor Fuller -- since you&#039;re here reading and responding to this thread, can you explain how you viewed City Arts and Tech Charter in San Francisco as deserving of two articles praising it as an admirable model school in a Sunday Chronicle a couple of months ago? CAT&#039;s API is one of SFUSD&#039;s lower, it is far from serving the highest number of disadvantaged students (contrary to the misinformation in your articles), and its college acceptance rate is rendered meaningless by its practice of giving no grades lower than a C. This misleading policy is apparently in use in all Envision schools, by the way.

Mischaracterizing a struggling and mediocre school as a success raises questions about the quality of research going on here. Can you clarify, please?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Fuller &#8212; since you&#8217;re here reading and responding to this thread, can you explain how you viewed City Arts and Tech Charter in San Francisco as deserving of two articles praising it as an admirable model school in a Sunday Chronicle a couple of months ago? CAT&#8217;s API is one of SFUSD&#8217;s lower, it is far from serving the highest number of disadvantaged students (contrary to the misinformation in your articles), and its college acceptance rate is rendered meaningless by its practice of giving no grades lower than a C. This misleading policy is apparently in use in all Envision schools, by the way.</p>
<p>Mischaracterizing a struggling and mediocre school as a success raises questions about the quality of research going on here. Can you clarify, please?</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24792</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce,
      The edges(only) are being tinkered with because the powers that be in the    overblown,amorphous,bloated,corporatist educational system don&#039;t want to leave their cushy positions shining leather chairs with their collective butts. As I have stated before 8.5K+ per child per year(250K-300K per classroom)85K of that for the teachers(pay + bene&#039;s)and where does the rest go(don&#039;t say consumables because those are rationed out)parents also pay for class supplies. Where is that almost 200K per classroom? That money is not getting to the kids, it&#039;s being siphoned off for land, yachts and heaven knows what else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
      The edges(only) are being tinkered with because the powers that be in the    overblown,amorphous,bloated,corporatist educational system don&#8217;t want to leave their cushy positions shining leather chairs with their collective butts. As I have stated before 8.5K+ per child per year(250K-300K per classroom)85K of that for the teachers(pay + bene&#8217;s)and where does the rest go(don&#8217;t say consumables because those are rationed out)parents also pay for class supplies. Where is that almost 200K per classroom? That money is not getting to the kids, it&#8217;s being siphoned off for land, yachts and heaven knows what else.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Fuller</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/03/18/schools-the-government-and-appearances/comment-page-1/#comment-24777</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Trib&#039;s Katy Murphy has sparked an important dialogue. 

I should clarify that I&#039;m not arguing against some of the education reforms proposed this month by the Obama Administration -- experimenting more broadly with charter schools, linking teacher promotion to kids&#039; achievement, and even reconstituting &#039;low performing schools&#039; (or, is it schools serving children beset by family poverty?). As the writers to the Trib suggest, some of these organizational changes might modestly lift school quality.

My point is that these reforms are tinkering at the edges -- in part given the public&#039;s skepticism over  whether government can be efficacious, can truly lift children&#039;s lives on the ground, along with worries that educators aren&#039;t spending taxpayer dollars effectively.

So, rather that a strategy to rebuild civic enthusiasm over public education... and energize corporate leaders to seriously invest in the new workforce, our political leaders settle for tinkering at the edges.

Now, this is NOT inevitable. We have seen President Obama come to life over extending health coverage to millions of Americans and containing excessive costs advanced by BMW-hugging MD&#039;s. In health care, we may be on the verge of real structural reform, dramatically altering the mixed-market ways in which health care is provided. 

But in education, we&#039;re fiddling on the margins -- until civic leaders, neighborhood activists, and major employers push politicians to consider serious efforts to lift the schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Trib&#8217;s Katy Murphy has sparked an important dialogue. </p>
<p>I should clarify that I&#8217;m not arguing against some of the education reforms proposed this month by the Obama Administration &#8212; experimenting more broadly with charter schools, linking teacher promotion to kids&#8217; achievement, and even reconstituting &#8216;low performing schools&#8217; (or, is it schools serving children beset by family poverty?). As the writers to the Trib suggest, some of these organizational changes might modestly lift school quality.</p>
<p>My point is that these reforms are tinkering at the edges &#8212; in part given the public&#8217;s skepticism over  whether government can be efficacious, can truly lift children&#8217;s lives on the ground, along with worries that educators aren&#8217;t spending taxpayer dollars effectively.</p>
<p>So, rather that a strategy to rebuild civic enthusiasm over public education&#8230; and energize corporate leaders to seriously invest in the new workforce, our political leaders settle for tinkering at the edges.</p>
<p>Now, this is NOT inevitable. We have seen President Obama come to life over extending health coverage to millions of Americans and containing excessive costs advanced by BMW-hugging MD&#8217;s. In health care, we may be on the verge of real structural reform, dramatically altering the mixed-market ways in which health care is provided. </p>
<p>But in education, we&#8217;re fiddling on the margins &#8212; until civic leaders, neighborhood activists, and major employers push politicians to consider serious efforts to lift the schools.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are two sides to this, people are scapegoating teachers, that is true. What is also true is that some  teachers should not be in front of a class(they don&#039;t have the temperment or the willingness to do what it takes to teach effectively). I believe teachers have a special public trust(they teach the future) and that is the way they should conduct themselves on a day to day basis(the majority do), but there are some that you watch and wonder &quot;why is this person even bothering with this profession&quot;. The system has been rigged to keep these incompetents employed(we are no longer worried about top notch education, just a bigger union. The parent know that teachers are not the whole problem, just a part of it but it just seems bigger because its right out front(the teacher who wrote loser on that girls paper for instance). Parents are the biggest reason that kids fail, but again they are not they only reason. Bad parents can&#039;t really be dealt with but bad teachers can and should be.If I was a teacher I wouldn&#039;t want anyone making the profession look less than noble, but thats just me I guess.
   
Yes there are procedures for getting rid of bad teachers, but it moves slower than cold molasses on ice and cost more than years of pay.I suspect that is done purposely(children are no longer the priority, jobs are).This is no small thing, one bad teacher can negatively affect a whole classroom full of kids, and set them back in their studies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two sides to this, people are scapegoating teachers, that is true. What is also true is that some  teachers should not be in front of a class(they don&#8217;t have the temperment or the willingness to do what it takes to teach effectively). I believe teachers have a special public trust(they teach the future) and that is the way they should conduct themselves on a day to day basis(the majority do), but there are some that you watch and wonder &#8220;why is this person even bothering with this profession&#8221;. The system has been rigged to keep these incompetents employed(we are no longer worried about top notch education, just a bigger union. The parent know that teachers are not the whole problem, just a part of it but it just seems bigger because its right out front(the teacher who wrote loser on that girls paper for instance). Parents are the biggest reason that kids fail, but again they are not they only reason. Bad parents can&#8217;t really be dealt with but bad teachers can and should be.If I was a teacher I wouldn&#8217;t want anyone making the profession look less than noble, but thats just me I guess.</p>
<p>Yes there are procedures for getting rid of bad teachers, but it moves slower than cold molasses on ice and cost more than years of pay.I suspect that is done purposely(children are no longer the priority, jobs are).This is no small thing, one bad teacher can negatively affect a whole classroom full of kids, and set them back in their studies.</p>
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