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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 00:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: #21:

I also have questions about International High School. ELL students at Oakland High have access not only to A-G, but also to AP classes.  I&#039;m guessing that is not true at International High, so I wonder whether some of those students are being shortchanged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #21:</p>
<p>I also have questions about International High School. ELL students at Oakland High have access not only to A-G, but also to AP classes.  I&#8217;m guessing that is not true at International High, so I wonder whether some of those students are being shortchanged.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 20:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just A Thought:  I&#039;m not saying that Online Classrooms are superior.  I am saying that they are coming. Big Time.

We are in a depression not a recession. Depression among other things means 15 + years of these troubles. The reason it doesn&#039;t feel like 1930 is because of the government printing press welfare schemes (food stamp ATM cards instead of bread lines), Prisons instead of homeless camps, and other New World improvements that keep us from realizing what has happened such as publication of false stats (redefined stats) - the cooked &quot;unemployment rate&quot;.

We will soon experience hyperinflation and crashing pay and benefits - well masked with hidden taxes (try the national sales tax that&#039;s on the way combined with payroll taxes and &quot;mandatory&quot; insurance of various kinds, etc).

Automation is cheaper than labor and low status children like the proletariat are just not going to rate a 40 to 1 student-teacher ratio.

So you will soon see computer delivered instruction. And when it arrives it will seem like a good thing. Maybe it will be. The alternative is correspondence courses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just A Thought:  I&#8217;m not saying that Online Classrooms are superior.  I am saying that they are coming. Big Time.</p>
<p>We are in a depression not a recession. Depression among other things means 15 + years of these troubles. The reason it doesn&#8217;t feel like 1930 is because of the government printing press welfare schemes (food stamp ATM cards instead of bread lines), Prisons instead of homeless camps, and other New World improvements that keep us from realizing what has happened such as publication of false stats (redefined stats) &#8211; the cooked &#8220;unemployment rate&#8221;.</p>
<p>We will soon experience hyperinflation and crashing pay and benefits &#8211; well masked with hidden taxes (try the national sales tax that&#8217;s on the way combined with payroll taxes and &#8220;mandatory&#8221; insurance of various kinds, etc).</p>
<p>Automation is cheaper than labor and low status children like the proletariat are just not going to rate a 40 to 1 student-teacher ratio.</p>
<p>So you will soon see computer delivered instruction. And when it arrives it will seem like a good thing. Maybe it will be. The alternative is correspondence courses.</p>
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		<title>By: Ml Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ml Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 18:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms Murphy I have contacted you several times about International High H.S. (Oakland site) and the deterimental effect it is having on other High schools in the area. Oakland High and Oakland Tech both offer excellent English Language Learner programs. Both inclusive and equal access to a full A-G curriculum. Tech in particular has the superb academies which a number of ELD atudents have taken advantage of,including the nationally recognized Engineering Academy.Tech will be graduating about 25 ELD students this year plus a number who have been in the progam during their time at Tech. Many of these are heading off to 2-4 yr institutions.

It has recently come to my attention that at least 20 of the proposed new intake at International H.S have on average 5.6 yrs i district middle schools !. Indeed 2-3 student in the new intake are closer to being designated long term learners then newcomers!these student more properly belong in a high school where they may access teachers who have been recognized by the district as expert instructors, a full A-G curriculum and a real American High School experiance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Murphy I have contacted you several times about International High H.S. (Oakland site) and the deterimental effect it is having on other High schools in the area. Oakland High and Oakland Tech both offer excellent English Language Learner programs. Both inclusive and equal access to a full A-G curriculum. Tech in particular has the superb academies which a number of ELD atudents have taken advantage of,including the nationally recognized Engineering Academy.Tech will be graduating about 25 ELD students this year plus a number who have been in the progam during their time at Tech. Many of these are heading off to 2-4 yr institutions.</p>
<p>It has recently come to my attention that at least 20 of the proposed new intake at International H.S have on average 5.6 yrs i district middle schools !. Indeed 2-3 student in the new intake are closer to being designated long term learners then newcomers!these student more properly belong in a high school where they may access teachers who have been recognized by the district as expert instructors, a full A-G curriculum and a real American High School experiance.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To Starshaped:
Eli Broad also planted the fake evidence on WMD in Iraq, and funds the Tea Party movement . . . he constant Eli Broad conspiracy theories in Oakland are really tiresome and make us look like a bunch of leftist tea partiers.&quot;

The main claim that the Broad org and its handpicked trainees completely dominated the district during the years of the state takeover is not a &quot;conspiracy theory,&quot; it is a documented fact. Go back and read the archives of the East Bay Express, if you want to know more.

Broad is a moderate, of sorts, and certainly not out to destroy public education completely; but his foundation&#039;s role in the transformation of OUSD was certainly anti-democratic, especially when you consider the financial role he had in funding our state superintendent&#039;s political campaigns.

It is certainly fair to note who funds a study, as well, although it doesn&#039;t have to discredit it if the evidence itself is solid. 

And are you implying that nobody lied about WMD in the lead up to the Iraq War? 

Conspiracies DO exist, even moderate ones. For folks like Broad and Gates, it is not even a secret: They want to transform public education. Why pretend otherwise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To Starshaped:<br />
Eli Broad also planted the fake evidence on WMD in Iraq, and funds the Tea Party movement . . . he constant Eli Broad conspiracy theories in Oakland are really tiresome and make us look like a bunch of leftist tea partiers.&#8221;</p>
<p>The main claim that the Broad org and its handpicked trainees completely dominated the district during the years of the state takeover is not a &#8220;conspiracy theory,&#8221; it is a documented fact. Go back and read the archives of the East Bay Express, if you want to know more.</p>
<p>Broad is a moderate, of sorts, and certainly not out to destroy public education completely; but his foundation&#8217;s role in the transformation of OUSD was certainly anti-democratic, especially when you consider the financial role he had in funding our state superintendent&#8217;s political campaigns.</p>
<p>It is certainly fair to note who funds a study, as well, although it doesn&#8217;t have to discredit it if the evidence itself is solid. </p>
<p>And are you implying that nobody lied about WMD in the lead up to the Iraq War? </p>
<p>Conspiracies DO exist, even moderate ones. For folks like Broad and Gates, it is not even a secret: They want to transform public education. Why pretend otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: chocolatesebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>chocolatesebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Passed by 75% - 
Authorize the OEA Executive Board to call all actions as necessary to settle the contract dispute with OUSD up to and including a strike. Amendment (passed by voice vote at the Membership Meeting): A decision to call an indefinite strike must be decided by the Representative Council.

See http://oaklandea.com/
I also voted to authorize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passed by 75% &#8211;<br />
Authorize the OEA Executive Board to call all actions as necessary to settle the contract dispute with OUSD up to and including a strike. Amendment (passed by voice vote at the Membership Meeting): A decision to call an indefinite strike must be decided by the Representative Council.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://oaklandea.com/" rel="nofollow">http://oaklandea.com/</a><br />
I also voted to authorize.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 00:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;ve tried it a myriad of ways over the last 10-20-40 years(traditional schools, charters,and state takeover and none of it makes much difference. This isn&#039;t about money(enough is enough)and frankly, good wages are much better than the unemployment line. The solution to this situation that we find ourselves in requires a massive change in attitude and the banishment of the entitlement mentality. As a society we must come to the inescapable conclusion that you are only entitled to what you achieve &quot;so aim high, and give it your best&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve tried it a myriad of ways over the last 10-20-40 years(traditional schools, charters,and state takeover and none of it makes much difference. This isn&#8217;t about money(enough is enough)and frankly, good wages are much better than the unemployment line. The solution to this situation that we find ourselves in requires a massive change in attitude and the banishment of the entitlement mentality. As a society we must come to the inescapable conclusion that you are only entitled to what you achieve &#8220;so aim high, and give it your best&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy:

That study also found that rewarding attendance was an experiment that didn&#039;t work because it transferred money from poor schools to schools with relatively better resources.  

Unfortunately, the Oakland School Board since taking over this school year has done nothing to follow up that 2008 study and change that aspect of the RBB budgeting procedure.

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy:</p>
<p>That study also found that rewarding attendance was an experiment that didn&#8217;t work because it transferred money from poor schools to schools with relatively better resources.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the Oakland School Board since taking over this school year has done nothing to follow up that 2008 study and change that aspect of the RBB budgeting procedure.</p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right, Cranky Researcher, that one of the goals of Results-Based Budgeting was to address this experience gap -- or, at least, to give schools with lots of newer, cheaper teachers more funding for other services. Ironically, schools with declining enrollment or low attendance -- which are often located in low-income areas -- have had a hard time with this formula. Just ask the people at BEST High School... 

But you&#039;re a researcher, and that&#039;s just anecdotal information. There was a study about this approach to funding schools, which I blogged about in November 2008. To quote myself:

&quot;Researchers from the nonpartisan, Washington, D.C.-based social science research group American Institutes for Research recently studied how these budgeting systems were put in place in Oakland and San Francisco, and how they have worked.

Through their interviews and focus groups, researchers found a strong preference in both school districts for this approach. But they also found that it didn’t bridge the “experience gap” between the teaching staffs at high- and low-poverty schools – and that it was quite a lot of work (no surprise there).&quot;

You can access the study through my blog post:
http://bit.ly/cBG9Cn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Cranky Researcher, that one of the goals of Results-Based Budgeting was to address this experience gap &#8212; or, at least, to give schools with lots of newer, cheaper teachers more funding for other services. Ironically, schools with declining enrollment or low attendance &#8212; which are often located in low-income areas &#8212; have had a hard time with this formula. Just ask the people at BEST High School&#8230; </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re a researcher, and that&#8217;s just anecdotal information. There was a study about this approach to funding schools, which I blogged about in November 2008. To quote myself:</p>
<p>&#8220;Researchers from the nonpartisan, Washington, D.C.-based social science research group American Institutes for Research recently studied how these budgeting systems were put in place in Oakland and San Francisco, and how they have worked.</p>
<p>Through their interviews and focus groups, researchers found a strong preference in both school districts for this approach. But they also found that it didn’t bridge the “experience gap” between the teaching staffs at high- and low-poverty schools – and that it was quite a lot of work (no surprise there).&#8221;</p>
<p>You can access the study through my blog post:<br />
<a href="http://bit.ly/cBG9Cn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/cBG9Cn</a></p>
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		<title>By: cranky researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>cranky researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Starshaped:
Eli Broad also planted the fake evidence on WMD in Iraq, and funds the Tea Party movement. The report was researched and written by Ed Trust West, and the upshot of it is that affluent and majority white schools spend a lot more on teacher salaries than low-income, majority African American and Latino schools, and that this is a bad thing. This bad thing is a result of a free market (experienced teachers who are paid more tend to choose to work in affluent, white schools, and low-income &#039;minority&#039; schools have high turnover and thus a higher proportion of lower-paid newbie teachers) - and the report is critical of the free market. The report suggests that to remedy this inequity, schools that spend less on teachers receive some compensatory payments - a socialistic sort of solution, isn&#039;t it? Does this fit your picture of the evil capitalist Eli Broad? 1) The Broad Foundation is a very big operation with a lot of people, it is not run on a day to day basis by Eli Broad. The constant Eli Broad conspiracy theories in Oakland are really tiresome and make us look like a bunch of leftist tea partiers.  2) The report was from 2005, as someone mentioned. That funding imbalance was supposed to be remedied by Results-Based Budgeting - that was the main reason for that system: to equalize funding between hills and flatlands. The funding would follow the students, not the teachers. I don&#039;t know what the results have been for that goal. Katy? Anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Starshaped:<br />
Eli Broad also planted the fake evidence on WMD in Iraq, and funds the Tea Party movement. The report was researched and written by Ed Trust West, and the upshot of it is that affluent and majority white schools spend a lot more on teacher salaries than low-income, majority African American and Latino schools, and that this is a bad thing. This bad thing is a result of a free market (experienced teachers who are paid more tend to choose to work in affluent, white schools, and low-income &#8216;minority&#8217; schools have high turnover and thus a higher proportion of lower-paid newbie teachers) &#8211; and the report is critical of the free market. The report suggests that to remedy this inequity, schools that spend less on teachers receive some compensatory payments &#8211; a socialistic sort of solution, isn&#8217;t it? Does this fit your picture of the evil capitalist Eli Broad? 1) The Broad Foundation is a very big operation with a lot of people, it is not run on a day to day basis by Eli Broad. The constant Eli Broad conspiracy theories in Oakland are really tiresome and make us look like a bunch of leftist tea partiers.  2) The report was from 2005, as someone mentioned. That funding imbalance was supposed to be remedied by Results-Based Budgeting &#8211; that was the main reason for that system: to equalize funding between hills and flatlands. The funding would follow the students, not the teachers. I don&#8217;t know what the results have been for that goal. Katy? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Starshaped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starshaped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.R.,

If you read that report to the very end, you find out it was funded by Eli Broad who is essentially wants to privitize public education.  He wants schools to be run like business.  He is also the person who is responsible for running AIG into the ground.  So if that&#039;s the business model for running a school, no thanks.

Next, public education is gone into by most people as a way to give back to the community.  We do not get bonuses.  We can only deduct $250 as expenses for our classrooms (and everyone I know, spends far, far more than $250 a year on supplies).  We work long hours.  If you don&#039;t believe that, then you have no concept as to what we do.  I answer emails from parents at all hours of the night and weekends, no extra pay.  I have to play psychologist, police officer, nurse, mother figure, entertainer, all beyond the scope of my just teaching.

I can tell you from experience, because I have worked at Title 1 schools and currently work in a hill school, that there are more services avaliable to Title 1 schools but higher turnover.  Part of the higher turnover is due to the fact that Title 1 schools often get rid of 1st and 2nd year teachers because it looks like they are doing &#039;something&#039; about their low test scores.  Working at a Title 1 school is hard because you are dealing with students that are economically challenged, parents that are often new comers to the country or chronically economically challenged, and due to those factors, they have less exposure to museums, literature, and healthy food which can be frustrating to deal with day in and out, year after year, especially when you are paid the lost wage in the east bay. Working in a &#039;hills&#039; school can be hard too because parents can be overly involved and sometimes believe their kid is the second coming of Albert Einstien. I&#039;m lucky in that I often get the parents that are little more relaxed and hold realistic expectations of their children.  My parents are very helpful and help pick up supplies for the class.  I&#039;m a 8 year veteran of teaching but I just happened to land at my school.  I did not plan it out, nor do I plan to leave.  I make a good $8000 less than the median salary quoted in the Broad pamplet for my school.

Lastly, statistics can be bent and shaped into whatever form you want them to take.  They can suit any purpose, given half the chance.  That&#039;s why I have always told my students, consider the source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.R.,</p>
<p>If you read that report to the very end, you find out it was funded by Eli Broad who is essentially wants to privitize public education.  He wants schools to be run like business.  He is also the person who is responsible for running AIG into the ground.  So if that&#8217;s the business model for running a school, no thanks.</p>
<p>Next, public education is gone into by most people as a way to give back to the community.  We do not get bonuses.  We can only deduct $250 as expenses for our classrooms (and everyone I know, spends far, far more than $250 a year on supplies).  We work long hours.  If you don&#8217;t believe that, then you have no concept as to what we do.  I answer emails from parents at all hours of the night and weekends, no extra pay.  I have to play psychologist, police officer, nurse, mother figure, entertainer, all beyond the scope of my just teaching.</p>
<p>I can tell you from experience, because I have worked at Title 1 schools and currently work in a hill school, that there are more services avaliable to Title 1 schools but higher turnover.  Part of the higher turnover is due to the fact that Title 1 schools often get rid of 1st and 2nd year teachers because it looks like they are doing &#8216;something&#8217; about their low test scores.  Working at a Title 1 school is hard because you are dealing with students that are economically challenged, parents that are often new comers to the country or chronically economically challenged, and due to those factors, they have less exposure to museums, literature, and healthy food which can be frustrating to deal with day in and out, year after year, especially when you are paid the lost wage in the east bay. Working in a &#8216;hills&#8217; school can be hard too because parents can be overly involved and sometimes believe their kid is the second coming of Albert Einstien. I&#8217;m lucky in that I often get the parents that are little more relaxed and hold realistic expectations of their children.  My parents are very helpful and help pick up supplies for the class.  I&#8217;m a 8 year veteran of teaching but I just happened to land at my school.  I did not plan it out, nor do I plan to leave.  I make a good $8000 less than the median salary quoted in the Broad pamplet for my school.</p>
<p>Lastly, statistics can be bent and shaped into whatever form you want them to take.  They can suit any purpose, given half the chance.  That&#8217;s why I have always told my students, consider the source.</p>
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