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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chauncey,
         The problems are even more widespread than that, everyone is looking out for number one, and enough is never enough. We need each other as a community so we had better find common ground PDQ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chauncey,<br />
         The problems are even more widespread than that, everyone is looking out for number one, and enough is never enough. We need each other as a community so we had better find common ground PDQ.</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chauncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harold

Are you saying taking us black folks of government assistance? Hell what about my Jordans? 

Idealists should live in the projects and preach their change to believe in at 11 pm in the middle of the spot in the projects. Yeah- now that would be change alright.

 It would change yur status form idealist to realist I&#039;ll tell you that much!

spending, excuses and party special interests are the problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold</p>
<p>Are you saying taking us black folks of government assistance? Hell what about my Jordans? </p>
<p>Idealists should live in the projects and preach their change to believe in at 11 pm in the middle of the spot in the projects. Yeah- now that would be change alright.</p>
<p> It would change yur status form idealist to realist I&#8217;ll tell you that much!</p>
<p>spending, excuses and party special interests are the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: harold</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an idealist. 

There is money. There&#039;s money for cops, firefighters and teachers. 

What&#039;s going on right now is income-redistribution. 

Bush, Obama, Greenspan, Geithner, etc., they gave wall street trillions.

Change we can believe in?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an idealist. </p>
<p>There is money. There&#8217;s money for cops, firefighters and teachers. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on right now is income-redistribution. </p>
<p>Bush, Obama, Greenspan, Geithner, etc., they gave wall street trillions.</p>
<p>Change we can believe in?!</p>
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		<title>By: Hills Parent 13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hills Parent 13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that, generally speaking, the readers of local papers know that living in CA is more expensive than most areas of the country.

To echo what others have written here, I&#039;m not saying that teachers don&#039;t deserve to be paid more or don&#039;t deserve a raise. I think that if OUSD is struggling to retain talent among new teachers that they should look at ways to retain them. At our school, some of the best teachers are the newcomers. 

However, we have to balance this with the realities that we are faced with. Lots of &quot;deserving&quot; and &quot;talented&quot; people are losing their jobs. Families are struggling to make ends meet. Foreclosures are on the rise. Cities are going without vital services. Everyone is being asked to make do with less. I don&#039;t know that our police officers, fire fighters or teachers should be immune to this economic climate. Now is not the time to be asking for more.

That said, if there are too many admin levels or bloated administration positions within OUSD, then I&#039;m all for cutting back in those areas and reallocating money to the front lines or putting it to work to keep classes smaller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, generally speaking, the readers of local papers know that living in CA is more expensive than most areas of the country.</p>
<p>To echo what others have written here, I&#8217;m not saying that teachers don&#8217;t deserve to be paid more or don&#8217;t deserve a raise. I think that if OUSD is struggling to retain talent among new teachers that they should look at ways to retain them. At our school, some of the best teachers are the newcomers. </p>
<p>However, we have to balance this with the realities that we are faced with. Lots of &#8220;deserving&#8221; and &#8220;talented&#8221; people are losing their jobs. Families are struggling to make ends meet. Foreclosures are on the rise. Cities are going without vital services. Everyone is being asked to make do with less. I don&#8217;t know that our police officers, fire fighters or teachers should be immune to this economic climate. Now is not the time to be asking for more.</p>
<p>That said, if there are too many admin levels or bloated administration positions within OUSD, then I&#8217;m all for cutting back in those areas and reallocating money to the front lines or putting it to work to keep classes smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for explaining your rationale for ommitting cost-of-living adjustments to teacher salaries and for reminding us of the last parenthetical sentence you wrote in your blog post about this story, Katy. 

I read the story without referring back to the blog. I imagine the vast majority of people who read your Tribune stories do not follow this blog or the comments to the blog. Therefore, most readers of the article may be left with the impression that teachers in California probably have little to complain about compared to their counterparts in 49 other states. They may think school boards are acting irresponsibly by paying teachers relatively lavish salaries. 

I think it would have helped to make brief mention of the cost-of-living factor in the actual article. I thank Steven Weinberg for sharing the link that shows we are really the 44th highest paid teachers in the nation. I know your intention was not to mislead many readers, but that may have been the effect.

Thanks for clarifying in the blog. Is there a chance to clarify in the actual paper?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining your rationale for ommitting cost-of-living adjustments to teacher salaries and for reminding us of the last parenthetical sentence you wrote in your blog post about this story, Katy. </p>
<p>I read the story without referring back to the blog. I imagine the vast majority of people who read your Tribune stories do not follow this blog or the comments to the blog. Therefore, most readers of the article may be left with the impression that teachers in California probably have little to complain about compared to their counterparts in 49 other states. They may think school boards are acting irresponsibly by paying teachers relatively lavish salaries. </p>
<p>I think it would have helped to make brief mention of the cost-of-living factor in the actual article. I thank Steven Weinberg for sharing the link that shows we are really the 44th highest paid teachers in the nation. I know your intention was not to mislead many readers, but that may have been the effect.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying in the blog. Is there a chance to clarify in the actual paper?</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven,
       I know that taxpayers who work year round, with not much vacation time aren&#039;t all that high on the comfort index either, but thats life. It beats being unemployed thats for sure.

And regarding OUSD schools, the only district that compares to it both leadership and performance-wise is LAUSD and I have been involved with both districts. They have been under performing for decades now(except for small enclaves).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,<br />
       I know that taxpayers who work year round, with not much vacation time aren&#8217;t all that high on the comfort index either, but thats life. It beats being unemployed thats for sure.</p>
<p>And regarding OUSD schools, the only district that compares to it both leadership and performance-wise is LAUSD and I have been involved with both districts. They have been under performing for decades now(except for small enclaves).</p>
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		<title>By: David Laub</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Laub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Steven, for the link. David]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Steven, for the link. David</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 02:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following link does a pretty good job of placing teacher salaries in context. It does show California is number one, barely, in absolute dollars, but it also shows California as 44th in &quot;comfort index,&quot; that is how far those dollars go given prices in the state.
http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following link does a pretty good job of placing teacher salaries in context. It does show California is number one, barely, in absolute dollars, but it also shows California as 44th in &#8220;comfort index,&#8221; that is how far those dollars go given prices in the state.<br />
<a href="http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state" rel="nofollow">http://teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JR, I was asking how much of your first-hand experience is with Oakland schools. I ask because you keep critizing practices that don&#039;t occur in OUSD schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR, I was asking how much of your first-hand experience is with Oakland schools. I ask because you keep critizing practices that don&#8217;t occur in OUSD schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oakland just got rid of 80 police officers, were they needed? yes! Did they have union representation? yes! Were they willing to give concessions? yes, (9% of pay and at the 11th hour were willing to give more). Are they paid at the top 10% in the nation? no, yet Oakland is considered one of the 10 most dangerous cities in the U.S.

My point? Cuts have to be made even when we need the services, even when concessions are given, even we we are one of the neediest cities in the nation.

I am not saying that we need to cut teacher salaries, or that teachers should give concessions. I am saying that to push for salary increases now appears as though those that are pushing are out of touch with the economy, the severity of the cuts made in other services and what people can afford to add to their tax burdens when they are unemployed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oakland just got rid of 80 police officers, were they needed? yes! Did they have union representation? yes! Were they willing to give concessions? yes, (9% of pay and at the 11th hour were willing to give more). Are they paid at the top 10% in the nation? no, yet Oakland is considered one of the 10 most dangerous cities in the U.S.</p>
<p>My point? Cuts have to be made even when we need the services, even when concessions are given, even we we are one of the neediest cities in the nation.</p>
<p>I am not saying that we need to cut teacher salaries, or that teachers should give concessions. I am saying that to push for salary increases now appears as though those that are pushing are out of touch with the economy, the severity of the cuts made in other services and what people can afford to add to their tax burdens when they are unemployed.</p>
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