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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case you were wondering, one of the U.S. teams won second place in the tournament (out of 48 teams)! From the news release:

U.S. GIRLS TEAMS SCORE GOLD, SILVER AND BRONZE MEDALS AT CHINA GIRLS MATH OLYMPIAD Second place overall for team of American high school girls at international math competition

BERKELEY, California - The Mathematical Sciences Research Institute (MSRI) announced today that one of the two U.S. teams that competed this week at the 9th annual China Girls Mathematical Olympiad (CGMO) has placed second, behind a team from China, in the overall standings among 48 teams of girls from about ten countries throughout the world. Of the eight high school girls on the two U.S. teams, seven students won top honors--five gold medals, one silver medal and one bronze medal--and one student earned an honorable mention at the international competition held in Shijiazhuang, the capital of Hebei Provence, China.

Gold medals were awarded to Shiyu (Jing-Jing) Li from Sunnyvale, CA, a graduate of Cupertino High School, who will enter the University of California, Berkeley this fall; Jae Eui Shin, a senior at Phillips Andover Academy in Massachusetts; Elizabeth Synge from Lexington, MA, a senior at Boston University Academy; Lynnelle Ye, who recently graduated from Palo Alto High School and will attend Stanford University; and Shijie Joy Zheng from Bellevue, Washington, a senior at Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. A silver medal was won by Cynthia Day from San Jose, CA, a junior at Lynbrook High School; a bronze medal was awarded to Adisa Kruayatidee from Stevenson Ranch, CA, who is a senior at Phillips Exeter Academy; and an honorable mention acknowledged Andi Wang from Stoneham, MA, a recent graduate of Choate Rosemary Hall in Connecticut, who will attend MIT this fall. The team that ranked second overall consisted of Jae Eui Shin, Elizabeth Synge, Lynnelle Ye, and Shijie Joy Zheng.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you were wondering, one of the U.S. teams won second place in the tournament (out of 48 teams)! From the news release:</p>
<p>U.S. GIRLS TEAMS SCORE GOLD, SILVER AND BRONZE MEDALS AT CHINA GIRLS MATH OLYMPIAD Second place overall for team of American high school girls at international math competition</p>
<p>BERKELEY, California &#8211; The Mathematical Sciences Research Institute (MSRI) announced today that one of the two U.S. teams that competed this week at the 9th annual China Girls Mathematical Olympiad (CGMO) has placed second, behind a team from China, in the overall standings among 48 teams of girls from about ten countries throughout the world. Of the eight high school girls on the two U.S. teams, seven students won top honors&#8211;five gold medals, one silver medal and one bronze medal&#8211;and one student earned an honorable mention at the international competition held in Shijiazhuang, the capital of Hebei Provence, China.</p>
<p>Gold medals were awarded to Shiyu (Jing-Jing) Li from Sunnyvale, CA, a graduate of Cupertino High School, who will enter the University of California, Berkeley this fall; Jae Eui Shin, a senior at Phillips Andover Academy in Massachusetts; Elizabeth Synge from Lexington, MA, a senior at Boston University Academy; Lynnelle Ye, who recently graduated from Palo Alto High School and will attend Stanford University; and Shijie Joy Zheng from Bellevue, Washington, a senior at Phillips Exeter Academy in New Hampshire. A silver medal was won by Cynthia Day from San Jose, CA, a junior at Lynbrook High School; a bronze medal was awarded to Adisa Kruayatidee from Stevenson Ranch, CA, who is a senior at Phillips Exeter Academy; and an honorable mention acknowledged Andi Wang from Stoneham, MA, a recent graduate of Choate Rosemary Hall in Connecticut, who will attend MIT this fall. The team that ranked second overall consisted of Jae Eui Shin, Elizabeth Synge, Lynnelle Ye, and Shijie Joy Zheng.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28144</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Telling students the truth about themselves is not setting them up for failure. It&#039;s the beginning of making the best of what you have to work with. 

If a student tests out to have no aptitude for higher math they should be shown the results, and informed when the test is being offered again. Everyone is good at something. The schools should be assisting the students in learning where their skill lie.  Part of doing that is flunking them out when they turn in failing work in a class that doesn&#039;t suit them.

A good school will not pass a flunking student or cover up failure. People learn from failure and they need to learn fast. Either change behavior (study/get help) or change classes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling students the truth about themselves is not setting them up for failure. It&#8217;s the beginning of making the best of what you have to work with. </p>
<p>If a student tests out to have no aptitude for higher math they should be shown the results, and informed when the test is being offered again. Everyone is good at something. The schools should be assisting the students in learning where their skill lie.  Part of doing that is flunking them out when they turn in failing work in a class that doesn&#8217;t suit them.</p>
<p>A good school will not pass a flunking student or cover up failure. People learn from failure and they need to learn fast. Either change behavior (study/get help) or change classes.</p>
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		<title>By: AlgebraTeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28140</link>
		<dc:creator>AlgebraTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I&#039;m not TFA. I have been studying math for quite awhile, and have seen what happens when students don&#039;t get the proper math background. I&#039;m new to secondary education, but have been teaching at the college level for awhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not TFA. I have been studying math for quite awhile, and have seen what happens when students don&#8217;t get the proper math background. I&#8217;m new to secondary education, but have been teaching at the college level for awhile.</p>
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		<title>By: CJA</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28133</link>
		<dc:creator>CJA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jees, you sure do know a lot for being new* Algebrateacher, I would put $$$ that you are TFA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jees, you sure do know a lot for being new* Algebrateacher, I would put $$$ that you are TFA.</p>
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		<title>By: AlgebraTeacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28126</link>
		<dc:creator>AlgebraTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now this was exactly what I was saying. Every student is different for many different ways, but the state has mandated a set of standards everyone must learn, regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, whatever. HOW we teach those standards may be different for different districts and schools, but all students should learn what is necessary to be successful in life after high school. A high school education is a right in this country, not a privilege; this is what sets us apart in from many other countries.

Telling students in OUSD they are incapable of learning such material is just setting them up for failure!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now this was exactly what I was saying. Every student is different for many different ways, but the state has mandated a set of standards everyone must learn, regardless of sex, race, ethnicity, whatever. HOW we teach those standards may be different for different districts and schools, but all students should learn what is necessary to be successful in life after high school. A high school education is a right in this country, not a privilege; this is what sets us apart in from many other countries.</p>
<p>Telling students in OUSD they are incapable of learning such material is just setting them up for failure!</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the link to the article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38600414/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38600414/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38600414/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28118</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While we are on the subject of teaching math: Here&#039;s an MSNBC article about changing puberty rates that claims that currently in the USA 23% of the 7 year old black girls have started puberty up from 15% in the 1997 study vs 10% and 5% of the white 7 year old girls in the same studies.

The Black students have issues which greatly affect classroom performance - physical differences. We need to remember this when we are jacking up the high school graduation requirements and repeating all the nonsense about how everybody should be going to college.

People are different. OUSD and the other urban school districts are here to do well by their students, not to drive them out of school at 9th grade.

Brave New World.  - and it&#039;s a new thing that these onset of puberty ages are dropping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are on the subject of teaching math: Here&#8217;s an MSNBC article about changing puberty rates that claims that currently in the USA 23% of the 7 year old black girls have started puberty up from 15% in the 1997 study vs 10% and 5% of the white 7 year old girls in the same studies.</p>
<p>The Black students have issues which greatly affect classroom performance &#8211; physical differences. We need to remember this when we are jacking up the high school graduation requirements and repeating all the nonsense about how everybody should be going to college.</p>
<p>People are different. OUSD and the other urban school districts are here to do well by their students, not to drive them out of school at 9th grade.</p>
<p>Brave New World.  &#8211; and it&#8217;s a new thing that these onset of puberty ages are dropping.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28105</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon &amp; Algebra Teacher: It&#039;s just great that there are college prep classes for those with the ability and desire for them. That&#039;s not so many people in Oakland unified. Most of OUSD&#039;s constituients cannot use those classes - ie most of the black boys for example. They need basic and vocational ed. If their needs were attended to your drop rate in that large demographic would not be 50% and higher. 

My point is that it is more important to provide basic needs for all than to merely have some college prep and turn the majority of the black students into the prisons and welfare rolls.  Thus I believe OUSD should fund basic swimming (water safe requirement)/driver&#039;s ed/school nurses, etc at the expense of a broader college prep program.

I just don&#039;t get they joy in having a few college students, while producing a mass of unemployables who are not water safe and have no driver&#039;s license in CA.

Not that I don&#039;t value the few OUSD students who go directly to Stanford or Ivy League. They are just not worth what OUSD does to the majority of it&#039;s students.

It&#039;s my opinion and mainly rhetoric. Perhaps OUSD&#039;s left side of the Bell Curve are too far gone for basic training? Maybe we should openly short them for the benefit of the 4 year degree wanna-bes.

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon &amp; Algebra Teacher: It&#8217;s just great that there are college prep classes for those with the ability and desire for them. That&#8217;s not so many people in Oakland unified. Most of OUSD&#8217;s constituients cannot use those classes &#8211; ie most of the black boys for example. They need basic and vocational ed. If their needs were attended to your drop rate in that large demographic would not be 50% and higher. </p>
<p>My point is that it is more important to provide basic needs for all than to merely have some college prep and turn the majority of the black students into the prisons and welfare rolls.  Thus I believe OUSD should fund basic swimming (water safe requirement)/driver&#8217;s ed/school nurses, etc at the expense of a broader college prep program.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t get they joy in having a few college students, while producing a mass of unemployables who are not water safe and have no driver&#8217;s license in CA.</p>
<p>Not that I don&#8217;t value the few OUSD students who go directly to Stanford or Ivy League. They are just not worth what OUSD does to the majority of it&#8217;s students.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my opinion and mainly rhetoric. Perhaps OUSD&#8217;s left side of the Bell Curve are too far gone for basic training? Maybe we should openly short them for the benefit of the 4 year degree wanna-bes.</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2010/08/05/serious-math/comment-page-1/#comment-28104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Algebra Teacher:

You don&#039;t need 2 years of math to get into a California Jr. College according to this taken from the net:

Transfer Admission Requirements
It is a common practice for students to transfer from one community college to another. Students even transfer to community colleges from four-year colleges and universities.

No matter what your situation is, the standards are the same for admission to any of California&#039;s 110 community colleges. You will be admitted to the community college of your choice if you meet any of the following conditions:

You are 18 years of age or older, with or without a high school diploma. 
You are a high school graduate. 
You have the equivalent of a high school diploma. 
If you meet any of the above conditions, then there is a community college program for you.

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Algebra Teacher:</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need 2 years of math to get into a California Jr. College according to this taken from the net:</p>
<p>Transfer Admission Requirements<br />
It is a common practice for students to transfer from one community college to another. Students even transfer to community colleges from four-year colleges and universities.</p>
<p>No matter what your situation is, the standards are the same for admission to any of California&#8217;s 110 community colleges. You will be admitted to the community college of your choice if you meet any of the following conditions:</p>
<p>You are 18 years of age or older, with or without a high school diploma.<br />
You are a high school graduate.<br />
You have the equivalent of a high school diploma.<br />
If you meet any of the above conditions, then there is a community college program for you.</p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: AlgebraTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlgebraTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 03:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset-- Sadly your assumption that Oakland youth are not performing at the levels of their white counterparts in wealthier districts means they are not &quot;smart&quot; enough for that level is depressing. Every student can learn, maybe not the same way you or I learned, but giving up is never the answer. The state has mandated standards that must be taught, regardless of the district. All students can learn these standards and should be taught by qualified amazing teachers.

Also, most can no longer get a good paying job with just a high school diploma. So Jr. College is at least necessary nowadays. You need at least 2 years of math to get into a Jr. College. 

I suggest you look into the National Educational Standards, precisely what California just adopted last Monday: http://www.corestandards.org/
From the site: &quot;The standards are designed to be robust and relevant to the real world, reflecting the knowledge and skills that our young people need for success in college AND careers.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset&#8211; Sadly your assumption that Oakland youth are not performing at the levels of their white counterparts in wealthier districts means they are not &#8220;smart&#8221; enough for that level is depressing. Every student can learn, maybe not the same way you or I learned, but giving up is never the answer. The state has mandated standards that must be taught, regardless of the district. All students can learn these standards and should be taught by qualified amazing teachers.</p>
<p>Also, most can no longer get a good paying job with just a high school diploma. So Jr. College is at least necessary nowadays. You need at least 2 years of math to get into a Jr. College. </p>
<p>I suggest you look into the National Educational Standards, precisely what California just adopted last Monday: <a href="http://www.corestandards.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.corestandards.org/</a><br />
From the site: &#8220;The standards are designed to be robust and relevant to the real world, reflecting the knowledge and skills that our young people need for success in college AND careers.&#8221;</p>
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