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	<title>Comments on: OEA&#8217;s new online presence, and a key union vote on Tuesday</title>
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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: Rori Abernethy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rori Abernethy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 06:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

This is Rori Abernethy ... OEA webmaster and OHS math teacher. I just checked in and saw this post here.

Thanks Katy for the OEA website plug and thanks to people who commented about their challenges with the OEA meeting and voting process. I will be looking into alternatives using technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This is Rori Abernethy &#8230; OEA webmaster and OHS math teacher. I just checked in and saw this post here.</p>
<p>Thanks Katy for the OEA website plug and thanks to people who commented about their challenges with the OEA meeting and voting process. I will be looking into alternatives using technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it ain&#039;t perfect but it&#039;s something worth trying.

My own experience (parent of a child with autism) was that our family&#039;s income was too high to qualify for most services.  But teachers don&#039;t get paid what I do, so I offered the thought.

Our family has had much more help and support from the Department of Rehabilitation, DOR, and that&#039;s also worth trying I think. Although DOR is all about getting people into jobs and elderly, disabled parents aren&#039;t likely to become employable, so they probably don&#039;t qualify.

I do have to wonder, though, if one has to care for elderly or disabled family member, and one has no back-up support whatsoever, how does one manage to hold a job, go grocery shopping, etc?  It&#039;s puzzling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it ain&#8217;t perfect but it&#8217;s something worth trying.</p>
<p>My own experience (parent of a child with autism) was that our family&#8217;s income was too high to qualify for most services.  But teachers don&#8217;t get paid what I do, so I offered the thought.</p>
<p>Our family has had much more help and support from the Department of Rehabilitation, DOR, and that&#8217;s also worth trying I think. Although DOR is all about getting people into jobs and elderly, disabled parents aren&#8217;t likely to become employable, so they probably don&#8217;t qualify.</p>
<p>I do have to wonder, though, if one has to care for elderly or disabled family member, and one has no back-up support whatsoever, how does one manage to hold a job, go grocery shopping, etc?  It&#8217;s puzzling.</p>
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		<title>By: Turanga_teach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turanga_teach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, Regional Centers serve families of individuals with developmental disabilities.  Even beyond their current issue of funding cuts and services reductions, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the white horse that&#039;s gonna save this day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Regional Centers serve families of individuals with developmental disabilities.  Even beyond their current issue of funding cuts and services reductions, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the white horse that&#8217;s gonna save this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. J, #17

&quot;What about our colleagues who take care of their parents and have no one else to do so? &quot;

I would humbly suggest that someone who is taking care of aging parents (or another family member with physical or mental challenges) check with the nearest Regional Center and ask about respite care.  All care-givers need breaks to rest and recharge, and Regional Centers will help find alternate care-givers, and depending on income, they&#039;ll reimburse the costs.

Hope that helps!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. J, #17</p>
<p>&#8220;What about our colleagues who take care of their parents and have no one else to do so? &#8221;</p>
<p>I would humbly suggest that someone who is taking care of aging parents (or another family member with physical or mental challenges) check with the nearest Regional Center and ask about respite care.  All care-givers need breaks to rest and recharge, and Regional Centers will help find alternate care-givers, and depending on income, they&#8217;ll reimburse the costs.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Starshaped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starshaped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that the regulations are part of the OEA bylaws.  Additionally, I believe that most unions follow this procedure as well.

We all make choices and we can all make any sort of excuse to justify those choices.  I used to live in San Francisco and I STILL went to those meetings.  If voting matters to you, then you make time to make it happen.  When we have parent conferences or participate in after school activities, we make arrangements to cover any conflicts that may occur.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the regulations are part of the OEA bylaws.  Additionally, I believe that most unions follow this procedure as well.</p>
<p>We all make choices and we can all make any sort of excuse to justify those choices.  I used to live in San Francisco and I STILL went to those meetings.  If voting matters to you, then you make time to make it happen.  When we have parent conferences or participate in after school activities, we make arrangements to cover any conflicts that may occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and Starshaped, thanks for making the point that Measure L was basically a regressive tax. 

But then, that seems to be the only way we add revenue these days, that and parking tickets!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Starshaped, thanks for making the point that Measure L was basically a regressive tax. </p>
<p>But then, that seems to be the only way we add revenue these days, that and parking tickets!</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. J, your protest is fine and acceptable. 

Personally, I am not against site-based votes or even online votes. I was just trying to establish that there was a history to these things and OEA didn&#039;t start it, as was implied by some above. I can see arguments for both sides. 

And while you may not have said it, many have implied that more &quot;active&quot; union members are making policy and running roughshod over the opinions of an alleged &quot;silent majority.&quot; In the spring, some folks on here even said they were scared to go to the meeting to speak or even vote against the strike authorization. The implication was clear: those who went to the meetings were somehow more loony-tunes than those who didn&#039;t. It was with this background that I responded to you.

Bottom line is we are damned if we do strike, damned if we don&#039;t. The district has not even offered us a face-saving solution. Tough times, tough choice.

On the bigger picture, I think it is interesting that nobody makes the case that spending MORE on education is a perfectly acceptable response to economic problems because a) it leads to a more competitive workforce in a global environment, b) school employees are debt-ridden, lower-middle class folks who immediately dump that money back into the community as a stimulus, and c) where kids fall through the cracks because of lack of support in school they become huge burdens on the society/state going forward as addicts, criminals, prisoners, teen parents and homeless people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. J, your protest is fine and acceptable. </p>
<p>Personally, I am not against site-based votes or even online votes. I was just trying to establish that there was a history to these things and OEA didn&#8217;t start it, as was implied by some above. I can see arguments for both sides. </p>
<p>And while you may not have said it, many have implied that more &#8220;active&#8221; union members are making policy and running roughshod over the opinions of an alleged &#8220;silent majority.&#8221; In the spring, some folks on here even said they were scared to go to the meeting to speak or even vote against the strike authorization. The implication was clear: those who went to the meetings were somehow more loony-tunes than those who didn&#8217;t. It was with this background that I responded to you.</p>
<p>Bottom line is we are damned if we do strike, damned if we don&#8217;t. The district has not even offered us a face-saving solution. Tough times, tough choice.</p>
<p>On the bigger picture, I think it is interesting that nobody makes the case that spending MORE on education is a perfectly acceptable response to economic problems because a) it leads to a more competitive workforce in a global environment, b) school employees are debt-ridden, lower-middle class folks who immediately dump that money back into the community as a stimulus, and c) where kids fall through the cracks because of lack of support in school they become huge burdens on the society/state going forward as addicts, criminals, prisoners, teen parents and homeless people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reading these responses about the vote, but I don&#039;t think anyone has actually responded to the problem.  Yes, it only takes 10 minutes to vote.  What about our colleagues who take care of their parents and have no one else to do so?  What about people who live in San Francisco and have to be home by a certain time?  Of course most (not all) people can rearrange their schedules, for some degree of inconvenience, but why should we have to go to heroic efforts to vote in the union which is supposed to be supporting us and not vice versa?  
I am paying my dues.  I come to work every day.  I vote in every single political election and I think I should be able to vote at my school site in a decision which affects me and my colleagues.  I resent being told that I can&#039;t protest when a vote is being held in a way which clearly makes it difficult for many members to participate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading these responses about the vote, but I don&#8217;t think anyone has actually responded to the problem.  Yes, it only takes 10 minutes to vote.  What about our colleagues who take care of their parents and have no one else to do so?  What about people who live in San Francisco and have to be home by a certain time?  Of course most (not all) people can rearrange their schedules, for some degree of inconvenience, but why should we have to go to heroic efforts to vote in the union which is supposed to be supporting us and not vice versa?<br />
I am paying my dues.  I come to work every day.  I vote in every single political election and I think I should be able to vote at my school site in a decision which affects me and my colleagues.  I resent being told that I can&#8217;t protest when a vote is being held in a way which clearly makes it difficult for many members to participate.</p>
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		<title>By: Starshaped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starshaped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m another crazy union person.  Do I find these meetings fun? No. Are they time consuming?  Yes but I choose to listen to all sides and use my voice by voting.  But as pointed out, if you don&#039;t want to listen to the dialogue, then you go an vote during the voting time and go home.  However, if you don&#039;t vote, you have no room to complain.  You effectively are silently compliant with whatever outcome there is.  

Also, the problem with Measure L had very little to do with the fact that some of the money went to charters (however ill concieved charters are).  It was an unfair taxation.  I, as a Oakland homeowner and teacher who is barely making it month to month, pays the same as Bank of America.  The other problem with Measure L was that the makers slipped in the word &#039;effective&#039; in reference to teachers without defining what that word meant in the context of teaching, opening the door to the idea of merit pay.  Merit pay may sound great to the average joe but if your kid isn&#039;t pulling his weight in my class, I can&#039;t fire him.  See, teaching really doesn&#039;t fit the business model.  It shouldn&#039;t take a Kindergarten teacher to tell you a square peg doesn&#039;t fit in a round hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another crazy union person.  Do I find these meetings fun? No. Are they time consuming?  Yes but I choose to listen to all sides and use my voice by voting.  But as pointed out, if you don&#8217;t want to listen to the dialogue, then you go an vote during the voting time and go home.  However, if you don&#8217;t vote, you have no room to complain.  You effectively are silently compliant with whatever outcome there is.  </p>
<p>Also, the problem with Measure L had very little to do with the fact that some of the money went to charters (however ill concieved charters are).  It was an unfair taxation.  I, as a Oakland homeowner and teacher who is barely making it month to month, pays the same as Bank of America.  The other problem with Measure L was that the makers slipped in the word &#8216;effective&#8217; in reference to teachers without defining what that word meant in the context of teaching, opening the door to the idea of merit pay.  Merit pay may sound great to the average joe but if your kid isn&#8217;t pulling his weight in my class, I can&#8217;t fire him.  See, teaching really doesn&#8217;t fit the business model.  It shouldn&#8217;t take a Kindergarten teacher to tell you a square peg doesn&#8217;t fit in a round hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading thoughtful commentary like yours, Oakland Teacher, and Cranky&#039;s, regarding the reason to consider a strike as an option, as well as other union issues, makes me think it would be good to have such a space on the OEA website.  Maybe there is one?  I haven&#039;t checked into it in detail, but I appreciate this forum and think that another forum more specifically geared towards teacher debate on this and related issues would be helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading thoughtful commentary like yours, Oakland Teacher, and Cranky&#8217;s, regarding the reason to consider a strike as an option, as well as other union issues, makes me think it would be good to have such a space on the OEA website.  Maybe there is one?  I haven&#8217;t checked into it in detail, but I appreciate this forum and think that another forum more specifically geared towards teacher debate on this and related issues would be helpful.</p>
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