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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s a strike vote. So why aren&#8217;t teachers voting?</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like OEA is trying new ways to reach out to the membership. I received this in an email today: &quot;Thanks to the over 250 members who have already responded to our survey about the November 16 membership meeting. Your responses are valuable and insightful, and will help guide our actions moving forward. The last date for taking the survey is December 5, so be sure to do it if you haven&#039;t already. Tell colleagues who haven&#039;t received an invitation to take the survey to write OEA at oaklandea@oaklandea.com so they will be added to our database.&quot; I thought I would post it as teachers have complained here about being out of the loop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like OEA is trying new ways to reach out to the membership. I received this in an email today: &#8220;Thanks to the over 250 members who have already responded to our survey about the November 16 membership meeting. Your responses are valuable and insightful, and will help guide our actions moving forward. The last date for taking the survey is December 5, so be sure to do it if you haven&#8217;t already. Tell colleagues who haven&#8217;t received an invitation to take the survey to write OEA at <a href="mailto:oaklandea@oaklandea.com">oaklandea@oaklandea.com</a> so they will be added to our database.&#8221; I thought I would post it as teachers have complained here about being out of the loop.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland USD teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland USD teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I voted against the strike. It was really hard to get there, but I made it 15 minutes before closing. OEA&#039;s hubris in making it so difficult to vote shows what a small, closed group it is.  

There is a big disconnect between OEA and many teachers. As a second-career teacher, I am put off by the antagonism and radicalism of OEA officials. Many of the loudest union members are embarrassing. They come off as overgrown hippies and I think they have little credibility with the district. The teamster model does not work for me. I am an educated professional and I don&#039;t identify with many of the union tactics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted against the strike. It was really hard to get there, but I made it 15 minutes before closing. OEA&#8217;s hubris in making it so difficult to vote shows what a small, closed group it is.  </p>
<p>There is a big disconnect between OEA and many teachers. As a second-career teacher, I am put off by the antagonism and radicalism of OEA officials. Many of the loudest union members are embarrassing. They come off as overgrown hippies and I think they have little credibility with the district. The teamster model does not work for me. I am an educated professional and I don&#8217;t identify with many of the union tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: oakie</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strike vote? Not so important. Parent&#039;s vote---with their feet. Go on strike and it will erode the student population you have the next year. And therefore fewer teachers employed by this dysfunctional district.

And that will be justice earned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strike vote? Not so important. Parent&#8217;s vote&#8212;with their feet. Go on strike and it will erode the student population you have the next year. And therefore fewer teachers employed by this dysfunctional district.</p>
<p>And that will be justice earned.</p>
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		<title>By: Confused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m confused.  We were fighting last year for preventing cuts to CDC, SPED and for a more livable wage.  I read the proposed contract and it included a 3% raise and the cuts.  
What has come out of us rejecting this contract?  The cuts were still made, but we didn&#039;t get the 3% raise.  That is the reality of what our bargaining team did.  So what was accomplished?  The Fact Finding report was disregarded by both sides and it was simply a gross waste of time and resources.  
It seems to me like some are being more strike happy than logical.  Necessary steps have NOT been taken  &quot;action up to and leading to a strike&quot;.  Where is the action up to part?  It seems like the options are strike or do nothing....  Why aren&#039;t we talking about other actions first!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused.  We were fighting last year for preventing cuts to CDC, SPED and for a more livable wage.  I read the proposed contract and it included a 3% raise and the cuts.<br />
What has come out of us rejecting this contract?  The cuts were still made, but we didn&#8217;t get the 3% raise.  That is the reality of what our bargaining team did.  So what was accomplished?  The Fact Finding report was disregarded by both sides and it was simply a gross waste of time and resources.<br />
It seems to me like some are being more strike happy than logical.  Necessary steps have NOT been taken  &#8220;action up to and leading to a strike&#8221;.  Where is the action up to part?  It seems like the options are strike or do nothing&#8230;.  Why aren&#8217;t we talking about other actions first!</p>
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		<title>By: harlemmoon04</title>
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		<dc:creator>harlemmoon04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A strike? Really? 
One would hope that one good reason so few turned out was because rational, more thoughtful options could prevail.
Then again....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A strike? Really?<br />
One would hope that one good reason so few turned out was because rational, more thoughtful options could prevail.<br />
Then again&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I agree with Cranky here, the cuts per se have been at the State level &amp; there&#039;s no way OUSD can make up for the State.   

Furthermore I just wish for 1x the OEA, OUSD, etc. could organize some actions (family friendly) marches that happen BEFORE the State cuts happen so we can all do something about it.  Teachers, families, AND kids.

Finally, I voted for Measure L, and although I agree with the OEA in principle that Charters should not benefit, at some point there has to be compromise for the greater good.  Maybe the OEA is run by malcontents who so love to complain, strike and want to hold on to an &quot;all or nothing&quot; &quot;us vs. them&quot; attitudes that compromise is simply impossible for them?

Or maybe OEA leaders would have nothing to do if they actually got the raises they want?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with Cranky here, the cuts per se have been at the State level &amp; there&#8217;s no way OUSD can make up for the State.   </p>
<p>Furthermore I just wish for 1x the OEA, OUSD, etc. could organize some actions (family friendly) marches that happen BEFORE the State cuts happen so we can all do something about it.  Teachers, families, AND kids.</p>
<p>Finally, I voted for Measure L, and although I agree with the OEA in principle that Charters should not benefit, at some point there has to be compromise for the greater good.  Maybe the OEA is run by malcontents who so love to complain, strike and want to hold on to an &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; attitudes that compromise is simply impossible for them?</p>
<p>Or maybe OEA leaders would have nothing to do if they actually got the raises they want?</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;it’s not just “society” that doesn’t want teachers to be paid more, but the unions themselves who think it’d be better for teachers as a whole to be paid less and have more protection than be paid more in return for greater accountability&quot;.

This is an excerpt from an article about education issues:

Fourth. Oakland teachers make less on average than other districts, but other districts don&#039;t have to give the state $6 million a year to pay back a $100 million bailout loan. It also should be noted that there&#039;s ample evidence that Oakland schools got into trouble in the first place and needed the loan because the district badly miscalculated when it awarded teachers a 24 percent raise at the beginning of the last decade.

Fifth. Teachers in other districts have made trade-offs for higher pay. Chief of among them is accepting more students per class. As a result, those districts have fewer public school teachers per capita than Oakland does. A state audit several years ago found that districts typically either choose to have fewer well-paid teachers or more lower-paid teachers. Oakland has chosen the latter, and there&#039;s strong evidence that Oakland simply has too many teachers, because its class sizes are smaller than what the district can afford. 

The entire article is here:

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2010/03/04/some-hard-truths-about-oakland-teachers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s not just “society” that doesn’t want teachers to be paid more, but the unions themselves who think it’d be better for teachers as a whole to be paid less and have more protection than be paid more in return for greater accountability&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is an excerpt from an article about education issues:</p>
<p>Fourth. Oakland teachers make less on average than other districts, but other districts don&#8217;t have to give the state $6 million a year to pay back a $100 million bailout loan. It also should be noted that there&#8217;s ample evidence that Oakland schools got into trouble in the first place and needed the loan because the district badly miscalculated when it awarded teachers a 24 percent raise at the beginning of the last decade.</p>
<p>Fifth. Teachers in other districts have made trade-offs for higher pay. Chief of among them is accepting more students per class. As a result, those districts have fewer public school teachers per capita than Oakland does. A state audit several years ago found that districts typically either choose to have fewer well-paid teachers or more lower-paid teachers. Oakland has chosen the latter, and there&#8217;s strong evidence that Oakland simply has too many teachers, because its class sizes are smaller than what the district can afford. </p>
<p>The entire article is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2010/03/04/some-hard-truths-about-oakland-teachers" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastbayexpress.com/92510/archives/2010/03/04/some-hard-truths-about-oakland-teachers</a></p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“the question is what our society is willing to pay to educate poor and lower-middle-class children. The answer right now is, not much and less each day.”


In Waiting for Superman, the narrator describes how the DC teacher&#039;s union didn&#039;t allow a measure to go to vote that would have either allowed teachers to choose individually to work for performance bonuses or just keep the status quo and get a raise.

In Oakland, the OEA didn&#039;t endorse Measure L, which then failed to pass by fewer than 800 votes.  Seems to me that it&#039;s not just &quot;society&quot; that doesn&#039;t want teachers to be paid more, but the unions themselves who think it&#039;d be better for teachers as a whole to be paid less and have more protection than be paid more in return for greater accountability.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“the question is what our society is willing to pay to educate poor and lower-middle-class children. The answer right now is, not much and less each day.”</p>
<p>In Waiting for Superman, the narrator describes how the DC teacher&#8217;s union didn&#8217;t allow a measure to go to vote that would have either allowed teachers to choose individually to work for performance bonuses or just keep the status quo and get a raise.</p>
<p>In Oakland, the OEA didn&#8217;t endorse Measure L, which then failed to pass by fewer than 800 votes.  Seems to me that it&#8217;s not just &#8220;society&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t want teachers to be paid more, but the unions themselves who think it&#8217;d be better for teachers as a whole to be paid less and have more protection than be paid more in return for greater accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTruthHurts</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheTruthHurts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again, I shockingly agree with Cranky, &quot;the question is what our society is willing to pay to educate poor and lower-middle-class children. The answer right now is, not much and less each day.&quot;

I agree this nation and particularly this state have answered this question for decades.  It&#039;s not the answer I want, but it&#039;s been answered.  If we want to change that answer, there will need to be less bickering among the disenfranchised.  Divide, confuse and conquer has been an effective strategy.

At some point Oakland goes past progressive and just appears &quot;out of touch.&quot;  That might win cheers in SF and Berkeley, but is it getting anything done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, I shockingly agree with Cranky, &#8220;the question is what our society is willing to pay to educate poor and lower-middle-class children. The answer right now is, not much and less each day.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree this nation and particularly this state have answered this question for decades.  It&#8217;s not the answer I want, but it&#8217;s been answered.  If we want to change that answer, there will need to be less bickering among the disenfranchised.  Divide, confuse and conquer has been an effective strategy.</p>
<p>At some point Oakland goes past progressive and just appears &#8220;out of touch.&#8221;  That might win cheers in SF and Berkeley, but is it getting anything done.</p>
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		<title>By: maestra</title>
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		<dc:creator>maestra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my 8 years in OUSD (thankfully, not there anymore), each time there was an &quot;important&quot; meeting, I found out the day before.  That can make it just logistically impossible to get there.  Not a sign of not caring.  A sign of poor planning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my 8 years in OUSD (thankfully, not there anymore), each time there was an &#8220;important&#8221; meeting, I found out the day before.  That can make it just logistically impossible to get there.  Not a sign of not caring.  A sign of poor planning.</p>
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