Social climbing and upward mobility was a pass-time and the World Wars and Civil Service helped.

Here’s a link to one family’s story from the mid 20th Century: I especially like the (military vet) father’s lecture to his 6 daughters about their darker black skin requiring them to work harder,

http://aalbc.com/reviews/theditchdiggersdaughters.htm

They did and the rest is history. There were similar stories in many of the principal American Cities. Sloth was not rewarded at all. And they executed people in those days as needed.

It appears the main reason “it has not been transferrable on a more massive scale” is US policy – diseugenic policy – fostered by the 1960s Irish Democratic Communist types who decided to federalize welfare (and block black family formation and stability) and turn welfare into an entitlement. The dregs of black society started cranking out unwanted children with generations every 12 to 15 years. I have heard the bastardy rate now among urban blacks is up to 80%. You couldn’t have created more destruction with an atom bomb.

I suppose the Kennedys thought freed from convention & financial need, urban blacks would go to Brown or Harvard. Hell, I don’t know what they were thinking except they were warned what would happen, the warnings have come true in spades – and they didn’t care and still don’t care.

I don’t think Black leadership has much to do with the disaster. This mess is a white production and largely remains so. Electing Obama was just more of the same.

Another thing, why would you ever think that higher functioning blacks would ever care what a NBA player thinks? Class distinction in black society is pretty well established going back a very long time. The various groups can recognize each other across the room and don’t exactly get along, unless it’s against a common adversary.

I’m a product of the WWII generation – all my male relatives were in service and my maternal grandfather (the chemist) was in WWI with his brothers. They ran into each other in Paris one day during WWI having had no idea where they were or who was where, Europe or USA. To hear the stories, both World Wars were a lot of fun for them because it got them off the farms and away from their parents. The two generations that proceeded mine were noted for their readiness to move all over the country for school or work, or just to join up with the next great thing. By the 1950s-1960s they collectively decided to put my generation into “white” schools and neighborhoods and the rest is history I suppose (previous generations generally went to all black schools and neighborhoods). Even the term “white” takes interpretation because they would never live next door to Hee Haw – try the Berkeley Hills, not rural Butte County.

Now we have these all-black or black dominated public schools where the main order of business is keeping the chillun pacified and not getting in their faces. To my view of black history this is something never before tried and it just hasn’t worked out well. Maybe they should be defunded and closed.

No matter how we sit and talk about this – the defunding appears to be underway. Is the problem welfare policy or is it education policy? And does it matter anyway?

As for Brewer, a former principal wanted a non-tenured staff and went about it by “encouraging” veteran teachers to leave – consolidations, involuntary transfers . . .

Now, Brewer has it’s young, non-tenured teachers. That’s what the administration wanted, they took the risk, they get what they get.

I’m sorry for those teachers, and I’m sure they are doing a good job. However, those new hires are no more deserving than those they replaced, who also did a good job, nor is there any reason to believe that they are better teachers. They are cheaper – keeping in mind RBB.

Re LAUSD and lawsuit – veteran teachers assigned to one of the schools (Markham?), also managed to raise test scores. They are probably equally committed, loving, and less likely to leave because they are protected by seniority.

Cheuy_Leuy is right, the new hires have been exploited.

This whole business of new vs. veteran is propaganda, pure and simple.

“The survival of the public schools in various forms are strictly dependent on the (once very strong) support the public schools maintain with the electorate and the taxpayers. This is why allowing rad-lib educrats training the students in Marxist dogma and having them demonstrate for Palestinian rights, Mexican rights, criminal rights, tax increases and every other rad-lib political thing antagonistic to American interests and taxpayer interests eventually leads to the abandonment of public education in favor of that education favored by the productive classes (Charters, private schools, homeschooling, etc.)”

But that is also why Reagan was elected governor…and why there were protests against the Vietnam War. don’t you forget for a moment that it is students of color who are most impacted by this. They aren’t “home schooled” nor do they go to good charters in any significant numbers. since the Black families and communities are gone like the ones that did such a good job raising you there is nothing left but public education. You had better hope that corporations do not get a hold of it.

The financial scenario you described will result in new Jim Crow laws and cannot be allowed to happen. the real reason students will stop going to college is because there will not be jobs which will enable them to pay their loans.

A huge amount of pork is going to “flame-out” college students who should never have been enrolled in college in the first place because of lack of academic aptitude. They take the money – which goes to the “college”, and drop out within a year. The loans go into default. The taxpayers get soaked. (the loans are sold to speculators for pennies on the dollar who then try to collect the bankruptcy-proof loans) There is very little reason for the treasury to pay for “college” playtime for a bunch of losers to take what classes they want, hang around, not fit into society, and drop out. With actuarial science it is extraordinarily easy to predict who the losers are and what loser schools they are enrolling in.

If nothing else we can easily enforce disqualification of “colleges” from all government grants and aid when their default rates rise above 25%, 15%, 10%, or whatever cutoff you want to use. Bye Bye HBCs, and many other colleges.

All of this is coming with the financial collapse of the municipalities and the states. You can’t print federal money forever and the states can’t print at all. Sooner or later the “education” budget is going to get pared sharply, especially when the “students” affected are seen as being either anti-social or of low value.

We can continue the military education programs. You trade years of your life (and maybe your life) for your degree. It’s not a give away.

It may be the pleasure of the taxpayers to pay for basic education, but they have no obligation to give away advanced secondary or college education to anyone. And what people get for free they abuse.

As a side note, I hear Barbara Lee is leading a movement to end all of the wars we are involved in if there is still time to save our World from further economic catostrophe…

“Congresswoman Barbara Lee, Bipartisan Group of House Members Call on President Obama to Meaningfully Fulfill Promise of Military Drawdown in Afghanistan”

http://lee.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=57&sectiontree=35,57&itemid=2313

There is no such right.

Our “rights”, especially those regarding government policy, are in the constitution (most people think federal constitution). The original Bill or Rights followed by the amendments are the things that come to mind.

Free public schools through a PhD isn’t in the list. With good reason.

Congress from time to time legislates verious pork barrels, hand outs, and largess that they pay for with printing press money. What they have given any subsequent Congress can take away.

As for the state laws, they can be written and re-written every year. The state constitution changes like the wind also with various ballot measures.

The survival of the public schools in various forms are strictly dependent on the (once very strong) support the public schools maintain with the electorate and the taxpayers. This is why allowing rad-lib educrats training the students in Marxist dogma and having them demonstrate for Palestinian rights, Mexican rights, criminal rights, tax increases and every other rad-lib political thing antagonistic to American interests and taxpayer interests eventually leads to the abandonment of public education in favor of that education favored by the productive classes (Charters, private schools, homeschooling, etc.)

Not only are the layoffs going to continue, the Charters are going to replace public education in urban areas (especially with the help of automation and technology). The educrats will have done it to themselves and to the students.

And on the way the Caste system of education will have taken hold and the use of public education as the common foundation of the citizenship of the nation will end. I doubt anyone important will care about the unemployment of the rad-lib educrats either. They’ll have to go haunt some other house, they’re not well suited to industry.

It’s going to be interesting. We live in interesting times.

Brave New World.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUAGGPYjbMc