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	<title>Comments on: Oakland teachers propose new platform for union</title>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/06/oakland-teachers-propose-new-platform-for-union/comment-page-1/#comment-36328</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 23:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Merit Pay? How? Testing? Do they test all subjects? No they don&#039;t. I like science and math, but there is more to education than the &quot;three R&#039;s&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merit Pay? How? Testing? Do they test all subjects? No they don&#8217;t. I like science and math, but there is more to education than the &#8220;three R&#8217;s&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re evaluations, leave it alone.  

Teachers should not evaluate their colleagues.  I can&#039;t imagine that any contract would permit that. It certainly would be the death of any solidarity, collaboration, etc.  Ditto for parents and students.

IMO, the current focus on evaluations is a back dooor way to  dismiss veteran teachers for the purpose of retaining inexpensive new teachers.  

Once again, veteran teachers did not create this crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re evaluations, leave it alone.  </p>
<p>Teachers should not evaluate their colleagues.  I can&#8217;t imagine that any contract would permit that. It certainly would be the death of any solidarity, collaboration, etc.  Ditto for parents and students.</p>
<p>IMO, the current focus on evaluations is a back dooor way to  dismiss veteran teachers for the purpose of retaining inexpensive new teachers.  </p>
<p>Once again, veteran teachers did not create this crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: TeacherMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeacherMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maestra,

Can you please explain to me how Measure G had anything to do with merit pay???? At least assure us you don&#039;t teach government or civics. 

What is so bad about Merritt Pay, what if it was based entirely on how your colleagues evaluated you (I realize this is unrealistic but so is following and repeating rhetoric that you don&#039;t understand and that you clearly haven&#039;t thought through. Please stop polarizing every issue, just because it works for Rush Limbaugh doesn&#039;t mean it is the best way to shape discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maestra,</p>
<p>Can you please explain to me how Measure G had anything to do with merit pay???? At least assure us you don&#8217;t teach government or civics. </p>
<p>What is so bad about Merritt Pay, what if it was based entirely on how your colleagues evaluated you (I realize this is unrealistic but so is following and repeating rhetoric that you don&#8217;t understand and that you clearly haven&#8217;t thought through. Please stop polarizing every issue, just because it works for Rush Limbaugh doesn&#8217;t mean it is the best way to shape discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: TeacherMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeacherMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There needs to be more of an incentive for the Union to engage with all teachers and I really like the way TIES is going. It doesn&#039;t hurt to have some of the best teachers in the district on board i.e. Oakland Co-Teacher of the year in 08-09 Ms. Pezzetti. Unfortunately the union gets your dues whether you participate or not. While it is certainly a two way street, and new teachers should try to engage with the union more, what is the incentive? The Union can&#039;t protect new teachers from at will layoffs in the first two years, and the union won&#039;t protect newer teachers from tenure based layoffs...  It kind of reminds me of Washington DC, taxation without representation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be more of an incentive for the Union to engage with all teachers and I really like the way TIES is going. It doesn&#8217;t hurt to have some of the best teachers in the district on board i.e. Oakland Co-Teacher of the year in 08-09 Ms. Pezzetti. Unfortunately the union gets your dues whether you participate or not. While it is certainly a two way street, and new teachers should try to engage with the union more, what is the incentive? The Union can&#8217;t protect new teachers from at will layoffs in the first two years, and the union won&#8217;t protect newer teachers from tenure based layoffs&#8230;  It kind of reminds me of Washington DC, taxation without representation.</p>
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		<title>By: On the Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcia:  Thanks for the explanation, but I guess my real question is how this group would like to see their desires for equity implemented.  I&#039;m interested in hearing about their aspirations and plans.  

I thought that school funding already allotted more money to schools that serve less affluent students, for example.  I recall seeing stats that showed vast differences in funding between schools in Oakland already.  If I remember correctly, schools like Edna Brewer Middle School actually were getting much less funding than many of the other schools (Katy published a funding list, I think, about a 1.5 yrs. ago).

I am curious about what concrete ideas that this group has to make things more equitable or &quot;fair&quot; as I am not sure that some of the already less well funded schools would be able to withstand further allocations aways from their sites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcia:  Thanks for the explanation, but I guess my real question is how this group would like to see their desires for equity implemented.  I&#8217;m interested in hearing about their aspirations and plans.  </p>
<p>I thought that school funding already allotted more money to schools that serve less affluent students, for example.  I recall seeing stats that showed vast differences in funding between schools in Oakland already.  If I remember correctly, schools like Edna Brewer Middle School actually were getting much less funding than many of the other schools (Katy published a funding list, I think, about a 1.5 yrs. ago).</p>
<p>I am curious about what concrete ideas that this group has to make things more equitable or &#8220;fair&#8221; as I am not sure that some of the already less well funded schools would be able to withstand further allocations aways from their sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Starshaped</title>
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		<dc:creator>Starshaped</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maestra,

I can tell you that the OEA DOES offer organizing skills and leadership workshops. NO ONE SHOWS UP!! I&#039;ve been to several and, if you&#039;re lucky, there are 10 people at these workshops. They are free and informative. The schedule was handed out at rep council at the start of the year. Several had to be cancelled because distinct lack of interest expressed by the body.

As for eboard, there is competition for every position open except for Secretary and Seat 2. If you want to get rid of the more strident elements of the eboard, I suggest you vote for those people who running against those you disagree with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maestra,</p>
<p>I can tell you that the OEA DOES offer organizing skills and leadership workshops. NO ONE SHOWS UP!! I&#8217;ve been to several and, if you&#8217;re lucky, there are 10 people at these workshops. They are free and informative. The schedule was handed out at rep council at the start of the year. Several had to be cancelled because distinct lack of interest expressed by the body.</p>
<p>As for eboard, there is competition for every position open except for Secretary and Seat 2. If you want to get rid of the more strident elements of the eboard, I suggest you vote for those people who running against those you disagree with.</p>
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		<title>By: maestra</title>
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		<dc:creator>maestra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bank actions aren&#039;t the problem. The problem is the lack of communication and organiztion. It&#039;s also that certain eboard members are so out of touch with reality that they propose strike votes in the middle of uncertainty over layoffs. This means that we waste rep council time debating ridiculous proposals that will never pass instead of working to improve schools and working conditions for teachers. They don&#039;t seem to think strategically about how to develop a strong union and negotiate effectively with the district. Meanwhile, the district seems to be in the mode of using honeyed words about working together while pushing for merit pay (which is why I&#039;m GLAD the union didn&#039;t back the ballot initiative), laying off teachers and imposing a contract. I&#039;d like to see the union invest in workshops to develop leadership and organizing skills in its members. I&#039;d also like to see them communicate more effectively with members and reach out to sites that don&#039;t send anyone to rep council. There wasn&#039;t much competition in the nominations for eboard this year, so I guess it won&#039;t happen any time soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bank actions aren&#8217;t the problem. The problem is the lack of communication and organiztion. It&#8217;s also that certain eboard members are so out of touch with reality that they propose strike votes in the middle of uncertainty over layoffs. This means that we waste rep council time debating ridiculous proposals that will never pass instead of working to improve schools and working conditions for teachers. They don&#8217;t seem to think strategically about how to develop a strong union and negotiate effectively with the district. Meanwhile, the district seems to be in the mode of using honeyed words about working together while pushing for merit pay (which is why I&#8217;m GLAD the union didn&#8217;t back the ballot initiative), laying off teachers and imposing a contract. I&#8217;d like to see the union invest in workshops to develop leadership and organizing skills in its members. I&#8217;d also like to see them communicate more effectively with members and reach out to sites that don&#8217;t send anyone to rep council. There wasn&#8217;t much competition in the nominations for eboard this year, so I guess it won&#8217;t happen any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Teachers also evaluate admin for growth and collaboration&quot;

Re #11 Teachers are uniquely qualified to evaluate site administration on this point. It is one of the most important qualities of a principal; they do not serve strictly as a technical advisory and budget director. Principals must be able to work effectively with staff for a school to really work well. Teachers daring to suggest that they be able to evaluate this characteristic do not &quot;want the supervisors role&quot; as you stated. While principals do have a complex and demanding job, some of us do understand what their job is (not that it means we want to or could do it). 

While I have some reservations about some of these suggestions, it would not be about this one single point. The site admin needs to be a member of the &quot;team&quot; not just in charge of it. Just as teachers can grow and improve from a principal&#039;s evaluation, the reverse is also true. I would hope that principals would actually embrace this point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Teachers also evaluate admin for growth and collaboration&#8221;</p>
<p>Re #11 Teachers are uniquely qualified to evaluate site administration on this point. It is one of the most important qualities of a principal; they do not serve strictly as a technical advisory and budget director. Principals must be able to work effectively with staff for a school to really work well. Teachers daring to suggest that they be able to evaluate this characteristic do not &#8220;want the supervisors role&#8221; as you stated. While principals do have a complex and demanding job, some of us do understand what their job is (not that it means we want to or could do it). </p>
<p>While I have some reservations about some of these suggestions, it would not be about this one single point. The site admin needs to be a member of the &#8220;team&#8221; not just in charge of it. Just as teachers can grow and improve from a principal&#8217;s evaluation, the reverse is also true. I would hope that principals would actually embrace this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concerned parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 07:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All points are good except the second to the last.
 Principals are professionals also, if I am not mistaken they have their own union and negotiate on contracts and evaluations like teachers. 

Parents and students  can not fully understand the job of a teacher and from what I see from being in my children&#039;s school, teachers do not fully understand the role of the principal.
If a teacher wants the supervisors role they should get hired in a supervisors position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All points are good except the second to the last.<br />
 Principals are professionals also, if I am not mistaken they have their own union and negotiate on contracts and evaluations like teachers. </p>
<p>Parents and students  can not fully understand the job of a teacher and from what I see from being in my children&#8217;s school, teachers do not fully understand the role of the principal.<br />
If a teacher wants the supervisors role they should get hired in a supervisors position.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 03:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Equal is not the same as equitable. Treating people &quot;equally&quot;--i.e. the same--when they are not similarly situated is not &quot;fair&quot; and does not result in equity. Hence, &quot;what is fair is not always equal.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equal is not the same as equitable. Treating people &#8220;equally&#8221;&#8211;i.e. the same&#8211;when they are not similarly situated is not &#8220;fair&#8221; and does not result in equity. Hence, &#8220;what is fair is not always equal.&#8221;</p>
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