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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-37037</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 16:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Moyer: When things are too good to be true they are usually not true.

In my business, experience and training I understand the predictive power of actuarial tables (statistics). You can have an (individual) exception from stats - that happens.  What does not happen is wholesale deviation from established norms without a powerful change/explanation. Only a fool thinks otherwise.

And yes, people do cheat - especially if they have no problem with lying, cheating and stealing in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Moyer: When things are too good to be true they are usually not true.</p>
<p>In my business, experience and training I understand the predictive power of actuarial tables (statistics). You can have an (individual) exception from stats &#8211; that happens.  What does not happen is wholesale deviation from established norms without a powerful change/explanation. Only a fool thinks otherwise.</p>
<p>And yes, people do cheat &#8211; especially if they have no problem with lying, cheating and stealing in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-37035</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The effect that Mr. Mordecai is pointing out does not say that minority kids who do well on tests are cheating. It says that whenever high stakes are attached to a test it tends to become invalid because people focus on changing the results of the test. When surgeons began to be evaluated based on death rates it became harder to find doctors willing to operate on high risk patients, even if surgery was the best option for the patient. Harvard professor Daniel Koretz discusses this in his excellent book, Measuring Up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The effect that Mr. Mordecai is pointing out does not say that minority kids who do well on tests are cheating. It says that whenever high stakes are attached to a test it tends to become invalid because people focus on changing the results of the test. When surgeons began to be evaluated based on death rates it became harder to find doctors willing to operate on high risk patients, even if surgery was the best option for the patient. Harvard professor Daniel Koretz discusses this in his excellent book, Measuring Up.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Moyer</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-37034</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Moyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 15:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Mordecai Principle: Minority kids do well on tests; they&#039;re probably cheating.  And this guy was a teacher.

Great job, big fella.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mordecai Principle: Minority kids do well on tests; they&#8217;re probably cheating.  And this guy was a teacher.</p>
<p>Great job, big fella.</p>
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		<title>By: Ell Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-36729</link>
		<dc:creator>Ell Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would DEFINITELY love to see a follow up story on these students in the next two or three years.  Particularly those that will be moving into middle school during that time.

I believe something does happen during that transition from elementary to middle and high school.  That is why I think it is so important to catch them while they are young, and continue to support them as they move through these transitions.

Best wishes for continued success to the Superstar Students.  80)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would DEFINITELY love to see a follow up story on these students in the next two or three years.  Particularly those that will be moving into middle school during that time.</p>
<p>I believe something does happen during that transition from elementary to middle and high school.  That is why I think it is so important to catch them while they are young, and continue to support them as they move through these transitions.</p>
<p>Best wishes for continued success to the Superstar Students.  80)</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I get it.  You believe this policy blog is here for individuals to use as some klind of society page.

That&#039;s the same outrage when dead students friends and families object to anyone asking why or discussing how their deaths occurred. You believe this policy blog is for your private Facebook-like use.

Well you&#039;re really going to be unhappy. Policy blogs are about policy not individuals.  You whining that discouraging words be silenced, while typical of liberals, doesn&#039;t seem to control things. You don&#039;t control things. That must be very difficult for you.

You also think that my comments &quot;assail children&quot;.  As opposed to assailing you perhaps? Nonsense. Amir is doing well. I would love for him to continue to do well - in OUSD. He&#039;s probably be better off in a better school district but that&#039;s just one person&#039;s opinion. I&#039;ll spell this out again so that you can get it.

Amir is a bright black child. There are others. I am concerned about what happens to the bright black children in the black failure factory is see OUSD being. It&#039;s very tough competing against the Jewish kids, the White kids (they are not the same), the Asian kids, Indian kids, and all the other competitors with Tiger Moms. Where are the 17 year old &quot;Amirs&quot; and what is happening to them - especially the black boys who were once 3rd grade &quot;Amirs&quot;?  Are my concerns unnecessary and the bright black boys of OUSD are really being well handled? I wish.

What I have reason to believe and do believe is that they are dulled by OUSD to the point that they are not moving up socially, economically and professionally.  Maybe they are being groomed to be &quot;activists&quot; or social workers, not Judges, physicians and business executives, or scientists. My beef is that it&#039;s easy to divert talent away from the higher levels. A little too much tolerance, compassion, black english and ethnic studies rather than science, history (real not PC) and math. 

How many black males are (seriously) directed to the Service Academies out of OUSD? Any eagle scouts, etc..

So here we are you and I.  Look for that &quot;Ignore&quot; button - must be one around somewhere. I think it&#039;s there on AOL!  

Quit dealing with individuals and debate policy please. This isn&#039;t Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I get it.  You believe this policy blog is here for individuals to use as some klind of society page.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the same outrage when dead students friends and families object to anyone asking why or discussing how their deaths occurred. You believe this policy blog is for your private Facebook-like use.</p>
<p>Well you&#8217;re really going to be unhappy. Policy blogs are about policy not individuals.  You whining that discouraging words be silenced, while typical of liberals, doesn&#8217;t seem to control things. You don&#8217;t control things. That must be very difficult for you.</p>
<p>You also think that my comments &#8220;assail children&#8221;.  As opposed to assailing you perhaps? Nonsense. Amir is doing well. I would love for him to continue to do well &#8211; in OUSD. He&#8217;s probably be better off in a better school district but that&#8217;s just one person&#8217;s opinion. I&#8217;ll spell this out again so that you can get it.</p>
<p>Amir is a bright black child. There are others. I am concerned about what happens to the bright black children in the black failure factory is see OUSD being. It&#8217;s very tough competing against the Jewish kids, the White kids (they are not the same), the Asian kids, Indian kids, and all the other competitors with Tiger Moms. Where are the 17 year old &#8220;Amirs&#8221; and what is happening to them &#8211; especially the black boys who were once 3rd grade &#8220;Amirs&#8221;?  Are my concerns unnecessary and the bright black boys of OUSD are really being well handled? I wish.</p>
<p>What I have reason to believe and do believe is that they are dulled by OUSD to the point that they are not moving up socially, economically and professionally.  Maybe they are being groomed to be &#8220;activists&#8221; or social workers, not Judges, physicians and business executives, or scientists. My beef is that it&#8217;s easy to divert talent away from the higher levels. A little too much tolerance, compassion, black english and ethnic studies rather than science, history (real not PC) and math. </p>
<p>How many black males are (seriously) directed to the Service Academies out of OUSD? Any eagle scouts, etc..</p>
<p>So here we are you and I.  Look for that &#8220;Ignore&#8221; button &#8211; must be one around somewhere. I think it&#8217;s there on AOL!  </p>
<p>Quit dealing with individuals and debate policy please. This isn&#8217;t Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. McLaughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-36711</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 09:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Creedence&quot; from you means nothing.  What does matter is the possibility that Amir, or one of the other children mentioned, or any of their family members, might arrive in much deserved pride to read this article, and then see your very public attempts to downplay their accomplishments, wish bad fortune upon them, and one-up a lot of children.  It&#039;s clear that you fancy yourself the resident intellectual, but in the true scheme of this website, you are the unkempt clown with the tear rolling down.

Ms. Murphy, might you look into enhancing your blog with an Ignore button?  I respect and share your reverence for free speech, but in the real world, we also have freedom of association.  If the discussion here weren&#039;t all about schools, it would be easy enough to ignore the inevitable oafs and troubled souls of the Internet.  But when a grown man purposely and repeatedly sets out to assail children, the rules change.

It would undoubtedly increase the traffic here, and bless the city of Oakland, if visitors to your site had at least the option of disappearing this person&#039;s remarks.  Many thanks for your consideration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Creedence&#8221; from you means nothing.  What does matter is the possibility that Amir, or one of the other children mentioned, or any of their family members, might arrive in much deserved pride to read this article, and then see your very public attempts to downplay their accomplishments, wish bad fortune upon them, and one-up a lot of children.  It&#8217;s clear that you fancy yourself the resident intellectual, but in the true scheme of this website, you are the unkempt clown with the tear rolling down.</p>
<p>Ms. Murphy, might you look into enhancing your blog with an Ignore button?  I respect and share your reverence for free speech, but in the real world, we also have freedom of association.  If the discussion here weren&#8217;t all about schools, it would be easy enough to ignore the inevitable oafs and troubled souls of the Internet.  But when a grown man purposely and repeatedly sets out to assail children, the rules change.</p>
<p>It would undoubtedly increase the traffic here, and bless the city of Oakland, if visitors to your site had at least the option of disappearing this person&#8217;s remarks.  Many thanks for your consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/15/oakland-makes-national-news-in-a-good-way/comment-page-1/#comment-36705</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[McLaughlin

You have your opinion, I have mine. 

I don&#039;t believe it takes away great news for one child for me to complain that this school district is manufacturing misery for countless other children. And as you should know by now, I insist the district is deliberately pushing the good news of the young children to turn us away from the failure OUSD produces for the older minority children 

So get used to this. 

As far as my commentary of my experiences - learn from it. Let&#039;s hear of yours. Are you a white liberal? Knowing what you are helps the reader understand where your point of view comes from. Are you 35 or 55? It would help to know this to decide how much creedence to give your opinion. 

I see black folks as well as white middle class folks having increasingly more desperate problems and I&#039;m angry about it. I see that the quality of the secondary schooling these people had affects their quality of life tremendously. It&#039;s just that simple. 

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McLaughlin</p>
<p>You have your opinion, I have mine. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe it takes away great news for one child for me to complain that this school district is manufacturing misery for countless other children. And as you should know by now, I insist the district is deliberately pushing the good news of the young children to turn us away from the failure OUSD produces for the older minority children </p>
<p>So get used to this. </p>
<p>As far as my commentary of my experiences &#8211; learn from it. Let&#8217;s hear of yours. Are you a white liberal? Knowing what you are helps the reader understand where your point of view comes from. Are you 35 or 55? It would help to know this to decide how much creedence to give your opinion. </p>
<p>I see black folks as well as white middle class folks having increasingly more desperate problems and I&#8217;m angry about it. I see that the quality of the secondary schooling these people had affects their quality of life tremendously. It&#8217;s just that simple. </p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. McLaughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nextset:  Enough already.  When an article appears about student successes in our district, might you consider withholding your predictably gloomy comments and just let the kids have their moment in the sun?

I&#039;ve asked this before, so I&#039;m really not expecting anyone who&#039;s so pitifully unable to recognize what a self-centered fool he&#039;s making of himself to suddenly develop a sense of decorum, consideration, or dignity.  But there ARE numerous other topics on the blog to which you can reply, complain, recycle the same blather for the leventy-hundredth time, boohoo about your own childhood, exhibit your need for long overdue personal therapy, or otherwise rehash your delusions that the entire world revolves around you and that your unseemly belly-button gazing remotely interests anyone else.

Check your inner Eeyore, please (with apologies to Eeyore, who was at least interesting), and quit peeing on these children&#039;s parades.  You cannot possibly be cognizant of how bad you look when you pull this stuff, so trust me, just knock it off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nextset:  Enough already.  When an article appears about student successes in our district, might you consider withholding your predictably gloomy comments and just let the kids have their moment in the sun?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve asked this before, so I&#8217;m really not expecting anyone who&#8217;s so pitifully unable to recognize what a self-centered fool he&#8217;s making of himself to suddenly develop a sense of decorum, consideration, or dignity.  But there ARE numerous other topics on the blog to which you can reply, complain, recycle the same blather for the leventy-hundredth time, boohoo about your own childhood, exhibit your need for long overdue personal therapy, or otherwise rehash your delusions that the entire world revolves around you and that your unseemly belly-button gazing remotely interests anyone else.</p>
<p>Check your inner Eeyore, please (with apologies to Eeyore, who was at least interesting), and quit peeing on these children&#8217;s parades.  You cannot possibly be cognizant of how bad you look when you pull this stuff, so trust me, just knock it off.</p>
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		<title>By: Teaches at Oakland School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teaches at Oakland School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 17:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t Believe it, that site won&#039;t tell us what the AP scores were for individual schools. If you go on the Skyline website under Prospective Parents and Students, there is a breakdown for the 2008-2009 year. If my figures are correct, only 21% of the exams were passed at OHS, 56% at Tech, and only 43% of the exams taken at Skyline were passed. Not only that, but from the figures it seems that if you take an AP course, you aren&#039;t required to take the test since many more took the AP courses than took the test. Skyline used to have an honors track-that might be better for kids who want to get out of the classes that cater to the far-below and below basic kids but aren&#039;t at the AP level. AP classes should be for kids who have shown they can do the work in previous courses. The teacher&#039;s time is being wasted teaching kids who obviously can&#039;t pass the tests and don&#039;t care to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t Believe it, that site won&#8217;t tell us what the AP scores were for individual schools. If you go on the Skyline website under Prospective Parents and Students, there is a breakdown for the 2008-2009 year. If my figures are correct, only 21% of the exams were passed at OHS, 56% at Tech, and only 43% of the exams taken at Skyline were passed. Not only that, but from the figures it seems that if you take an AP course, you aren&#8217;t required to take the test since many more took the AP courses than took the test. Skyline used to have an honors track-that might be better for kids who want to get out of the classes that cater to the far-below and below basic kids but aren&#8217;t at the AP level. AP classes should be for kids who have shown they can do the work in previous courses. The teacher&#8217;s time is being wasted teaching kids who obviously can&#8217;t pass the tests and don&#8217;t care to.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some data re: AP scores of underserved students are here: http://apreport.collegeboard.org/opportunities-for-underserved-students.  But there is no test-by-test breakdown]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some data re: AP scores of underserved students are here: <a href="http://apreport.collegeboard.org/opportunities-for-underserved-students" rel="nofollow">http://apreport.collegeboard.org/opportunities-for-underserved-students</a>.  But there is no test-by-test breakdown</p>
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