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	<title>Comments on: Tribune forum on public education in Oakland</title>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/25/tribune-forum-on-public-education-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-36777</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe: The school voucher thing is not a new idea. 

What&#039;s happening to CA education is that people are splitting into different camps largely determined at birth. Because of the failure of the people of CA to protect the good things we had leading up to 1965 - we have what I&#039;ve referred to as the &quot;Brave New World&quot; which is more like the British/Indian Caste system. 

Like will associate with like, marry/reproduce with like, go to schools according to your caste (ghetto, private, church, public &quot;Ivy&#039;s&quot; whatever), live in segregated neighborhoods, work out in caste gyms, shop at stores according to caste (I like Costco, some do Wal*Mart), and so on. Even the Dentists and other providers such as lawyers will be attended based on caste.

The declining middle class may think that vouchers will save them (keep them away from ghetto schools and students).

All they really need is a school district that openly maintains a set of segregated schools - good, better and best - and strongly enforces standards at the three tiers of schools so that those who attend the upper 2 toe the line to avoid being flunked out or expelled into the default lowest standard school (usually known as continuation school or &quot;alternative&quot; school.

At least this way bright but poor students have a chance. But bright-but-poor nowadays most often means immigrants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: The school voucher thing is not a new idea. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s happening to CA education is that people are splitting into different camps largely determined at birth. Because of the failure of the people of CA to protect the good things we had leading up to 1965 &#8211; we have what I&#8217;ve referred to as the &#8220;Brave New World&#8221; which is more like the British/Indian Caste system. </p>
<p>Like will associate with like, marry/reproduce with like, go to schools according to your caste (ghetto, private, church, public &#8220;Ivy&#8217;s&#8221; whatever), live in segregated neighborhoods, work out in caste gyms, shop at stores according to caste (I like Costco, some do Wal*Mart), and so on. Even the Dentists and other providers such as lawyers will be attended based on caste.</p>
<p>The declining middle class may think that vouchers will save them (keep them away from ghetto schools and students).</p>
<p>All they really need is a school district that openly maintains a set of segregated schools &#8211; good, better and best &#8211; and strongly enforces standards at the three tiers of schools so that those who attend the upper 2 toe the line to avoid being flunked out or expelled into the default lowest standard school (usually known as continuation school or &#8220;alternative&#8221; school.</p>
<p>At least this way bright but poor students have a chance. But bright-but-poor nowadays most often means immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/25/tribune-forum-on-public-education-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-36764</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope to hear soemthing different about Oakland than the typical teacher union and leftist garb. But then again-its Oakland and the trib!

Its exciting times, and destructive times. I for one think tax vouchers are the new wave that will eventually be the demise for those that suck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to hear soemthing different about Oakland than the typical teacher union and leftist garb. But then again-its Oakland and the trib!</p>
<p>Its exciting times, and destructive times. I for one think tax vouchers are the new wave that will eventually be the demise for those that suck!</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/25/tribune-forum-on-public-education-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-36756</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy: You got it right that this is an exciting time for education and you have a front row seat for something big.  OUSD is a huge school district with interesting demographics. Policy here should be important as a test lab for elsewhere.

We live in interesting times.

Especially for what&#039;s left of the middle class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy: You got it right that this is an exciting time for education and you have a front row seat for something big.  OUSD is a huge school district with interesting demographics. Policy here should be important as a test lab for elsewhere.</p>
<p>We live in interesting times.</p>
<p>Especially for what&#8217;s left of the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonderin'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wonderin'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder too why this was scheduled in the middle of the school day.  Do they not feel the thoughts and feelings of teachers and students are a critical part of the conversation.  Guess not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder too why this was scheduled in the middle of the school day.  Do they not feel the thoughts and feelings of teachers and students are a critical part of the conversation.  Guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/25/tribune-forum-on-public-education-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-36741</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 03:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ditto, Paulina. Why was this scheduled when many of the concerned parties are at work?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, Paulina. Why was this scheduled when many of the concerned parties are at work?</p>
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		<title>By: Paulina</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/04/25/tribune-forum-on-public-education-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-36736</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 01:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope I can stop by and I&#039;ll pass on the word to my colleagues.  Disappointing that it was scheduled during school hours, but glad there will be more forums scheduled in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I can stop by and I&#8217;ll pass on the word to my colleagues.  Disappointing that it was scheduled during school hours, but glad there will be more forums scheduled in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Spearman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Spearman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 01:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will be there, (this is being held in my district also).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be there, (this is being held in my district also).</p>
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