The students today really don’t know how much has been taken from them, and not just the cheap college tuitions, either.

I know those days are gone… Too bad for taday’s kiddies.

I’m not suggesting we test and grade on getting the sentencing Triads correct – I am saying they should know the definitions of common law crimes, which ones are the serious ones, and have a working knowledge of how bad bad can get. Ditto the basics of search and seizure, torts and contracts. I actually believe this is more important than “college prep” and maybe we should require this kind of a class rather than algebra. And I like algebra…

I suppose where I’m coming from is that if I’m responsible for the education and well being of thousands and thousands of prole children I’m going to want them taught to read and write & count, school them in required deportment (including dress and speech), then see them coached in the things in life that are most likely to cripple/maim them. Then I’d cover algebra as an elective (strongly encouraged elective). And college prep for those that want it and do the pre-reqs.

You would think that would be the case, wouldn’t you? Gender is by nature a sexual topic, BTW there are only two genders(male and female, there is no ?)Take notice because taxpayer/parents are watching.

You open with “I can’t imagine why…” which is the real problem. You cannot see thing from another’s prospective.

From my prospective the schools are taking the noble concept of “anti-bullying” and using it for a little PC brainwashing of their own.

Oh, and Pepe – We disagree on the ability of information and to some extent scare information to save teens from trauma. We don’t have to save everybody, to some extent life is evolution in action. All we need to do is knock down the mortality rates which will reduce differently in different student populations.

I can still remember the “safety” movies we had to watch at the beginning of Wood Shop. There was more blood and gore, screaming, tramautic amputations, eye skewering and violence in those than Hollywood Scream movies. It had a salutory effect on horseplay around the band saws and the table saws and all the power equipment. The military VD movies had some effect in some populations also.

I am satisfied that training in how CA structures criminal liability and punishment and the extent of the penalties will have some effect on some male teens. And not so much on some others. It’s well worth doing even if we do not intend to save everyone.

As I pointed out earlier – I have seen and heard of real bullying that was forcibly put down by good schools. Something the liberal educrat establishment seems to have a real hard time doing nowadays it seems.

We aren’t talking about bullying here at all. We are talking about political indoctrination. Or so it seems.

You’re just not going to get black folks who went to all white schools – integrating the schools and the neighborhoods – to buy into your “we’re doing it for the kiddies” BS. You may have a point in here but it’s seems to me this game that’s being played is about much more. So I’m not buying. Good luck with the families of non-prole students. I don’t think this will play in Peoria.

But OUSD can go right ahead with this and all the other nonsense that delineates their schools from Piedmont & Orinda. It’s expected.

Maesta: I’m getting a sense of what OUSD is doing from this blog. And from failed people I know who are it’s recent products. Please continue to post every shred of good news, especially about good news involving black teens and graduates.

As far as the “it’s getting better” line, I’m afraid that is mainly about demographics changing and the schools taking credit for something they have little to do with. They’ll do that you know, claim their educational program is responsible for upticks in scoring that is actually a product of shifting demographics. My interest is the annual stats of the black students. Show me where that is improving. Some of the other ethnics will be fine regardless of the school.

And I don’t think Oakland has much of anything to be proud of. It’s a failure compared to it’s glory days of the past. Oakland is living off the infrastructure built generations ago while sinking in crime and a ruined tax base. It’s Detroit West…

As for the wild comments about public schools in Oakland and what they are not doing – Nextset, you really need to get a better sense of what is going on in Oakland. We have a lot of great schools here, and they are getting better. I’ve worked in a few districts, but Oakland is by far the best I’ve seen in terms of dynamic, caring teachers. We have some work to do in the middle and high schools, but some of our public elementaries in low-income areas are out-performing charters and middle class schools in other districts. Oakland has a lot to be proud of.

Stop trying to blame this on white liberals. I used to be just as guilty as you of overusing this accusation, but I have learned that anything that does not fit into a closed-minded and out of date worldview cannot always be blamed on white liberals.

Believing that teaching the penal code will result in youth making better decisions shows a lack of understanding of the teenage mind.

There are other “social values” that are far far more important than the topic of this thread, and are subjects utterly ignored by the primary and secondary schools as required instruction.

I recently saw a statistic that 20% of all Juvenile offenders in a county are charged as adults. I’ve seen these kids in court. People have no concept of the double digit prison exposure for (even) first offenders which are commonly used in these cases for gang activity, sex cases, weapons/drug cases. You really need to watch young offenders (teens) with no criminal history getting sentenced to 50 years firm (no “to life”) at 80% on a plea bargain in a case where no one died and no one was shot or cut. I’ve seen it. Yes, they were black, yes the Mama was in the court crying. The 50 years was a big reduction on the minimum if they were convicted at trial – 100 years to life, which would have wiped out their life expectancy altogether.

I’ve never forgot that scene. Would I have followed the law and imposed such a sentence, yes. Do I think these horrible cases could have been averted by education – yes, I think they could have been mitigated. The brats knew they’d be in trouble – they didn’t have a clue that what they were doing was (effectively) life without parole for all involved. Accomplice liability 101 wasn’t on the class schedule.

I think of these memories when I read about the latest folly of forced political correctness instruction in the public schools. Educrats and their legislative pals don’t care about the black students (they’re the ones with the most criminal involvement) they only want to placate white liberals. So they teach this divisive nonsense and omit Vehicle Code and Penal Code training as well as the common law concepts such as criminal & civil liability in general.

Let the kiddies learn it the hard way. Ken and Barbie are OK, why worry about Otis and Latifah or Juan and Juanita??

There is one set of “social values” that if you are caught violating you can be put to death, fined, registered as a sex/firebug/dope fiend, locked up and many other collateral consequences including (hopefully) deportation, exclusion, and losing your driver’s license.

I see plenty of people, especially the ones with the dusky hues, woefully ignorant of the social values enumerated in the Penal Code, the Vehicle Code and the other 29 codebooks CA has. So they do it in front of witnesses, cameras and admit to all kinds of things with no idea of the prohibitions.

We don’t even teach this – much less which fork is the salad fork.

Yes, we need to work this into the educational program. Especially for Prole students who don’t have good families to teach the basics – and then for everybody else to try and get it right.

Sometimes CA seems to be full of people who barely know what a Red Traffic Light means. Actually – maybe they don’t since driver’s ed isn’t a requirement anymore (I have heard – it is true?).

These concepts are far more important even in primary schools than telling kiddies it’s ok for a boy to adopt the mannerisms of a girl. Which it is not, by the way.

And the educrats really don’t care. I say it’s because they really don’t care about the safety and well being of students, especially the black students.

Just the way I see it.

Save us from white liberals.

For clarity…….. I said, when it comes to sexual issues, that should be the parents responsibility. Kids are beginning to organize and come to grips with their identities(contrary to the lies being disseminated, physical and emotional are tied together). If confused children get the idea that they are not strictly male or female, and there is no normal then they can accept any falsehood. We need the kids socialized, and what we don’t need is social engineering.