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		<title>By: TeacherBeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/08/26/how-to-teach-about-sept-11/comment-page-1/#comment-39667</link>
		<dc:creator>TeacherBeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 01:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the risk of becoming yet another Blog Flogger, I wrote a piece about my memories of teaching on the actual day of September 11: 

http://otherteacher.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/911-ten-years-later/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of becoming yet another Blog Flogger, I wrote a piece about my memories of teaching on the actual day of September 11: </p>
<p><a href="http://otherteacher.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/911-ten-years-later/" rel="nofollow">http://otherteacher.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/911-ten-years-later/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/08/26/how-to-teach-about-sept-11/comment-page-1/#comment-39162</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 13:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen:  Re: Your post #20.

The USA as presently governed is unsustainable. Smart money already knows this. As far as how much time we have before a violent collapse, that&#039;s a matter for debate. But it will happen suddenly. Lessons of history and all that.

The USA is an empire in terminal decline. No different than any other empire in terminal decline.

The interesting result of 911 is the self inflicted exponential damage that flowed from it. The US &quot;system&quot; is not self repairing, it it weak, fractured and decadent. Blows like 911 serve to hasten the existing self destruction. For example instead of using 911 as an event to remove muslim access to the nation we prattled on about &quot;tolerance&quot;. Now we&#039;ve sped up the process of encouraging foreign colonies within the USA and slowdown of removal of even criminal invading aliens. We are printing money and debasing the currency as fast as possible and at an increasing rate. This always leads to violent collapse.

Further 911 events, you can be sure, will be used to increase federal power grabbing in violation of the Constitution. A nation with power concentrated at the center is far more unstable and vulnerable to collapse or conversion to dictatorship than one with widely decentralized power. It doesn&#039;t matter if the figureheads are democrats or republicians, they are both opposite sides of the same coin. 

Democracies always end in dictatorships because democracies are inherently unstable. Another lesson of history. The framework of the states, government power limits (abandoned now) and non-direct election of the senators and president/VP were some the major defenses against the imperial court we now see.

It&#039;s going to really get interesting in the next 15 years. And not for the better. Watch the smart money and watch the large numbers of people making preparations, even if they are not sure what for. 

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen:  Re: Your post #20.</p>
<p>The USA as presently governed is unsustainable. Smart money already knows this. As far as how much time we have before a violent collapse, that&#8217;s a matter for debate. But it will happen suddenly. Lessons of history and all that.</p>
<p>The USA is an empire in terminal decline. No different than any other empire in terminal decline.</p>
<p>The interesting result of 911 is the self inflicted exponential damage that flowed from it. The US &#8220;system&#8221; is not self repairing, it it weak, fractured and decadent. Blows like 911 serve to hasten the existing self destruction. For example instead of using 911 as an event to remove muslim access to the nation we prattled on about &#8220;tolerance&#8221;. Now we&#8217;ve sped up the process of encouraging foreign colonies within the USA and slowdown of removal of even criminal invading aliens. We are printing money and debasing the currency as fast as possible and at an increasing rate. This always leads to violent collapse.</p>
<p>Further 911 events, you can be sure, will be used to increase federal power grabbing in violation of the Constitution. A nation with power concentrated at the center is far more unstable and vulnerable to collapse or conversion to dictatorship than one with widely decentralized power. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the figureheads are democrats or republicians, they are both opposite sides of the same coin. </p>
<p>Democracies always end in dictatorships because democracies are inherently unstable. Another lesson of history. The framework of the states, government power limits (abandoned now) and non-direct election of the senators and president/VP were some the major defenses against the imperial court we now see.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to really get interesting in the next 15 years. And not for the better. Watch the smart money and watch the large numbers of people making preparations, even if they are not sure what for. </p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Capuano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Capuano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://news.yahoo.com/9-11-coloring-book-criticized-depiction-muslims-011401931.html

This might be good for a High School Debate.]]></description>
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<p>This might be good for a High School Debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 22:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen:  911 is a huge impact in warfare. It is asymmetrical warfare - a David vs Goliath moment if you will. For a capital cost of less than a half million the enemy inflicted billions and billions in damage to the United States (much of it self-inflicted). Just imagine what the next strike - intended to best 911 - will do.

Compared to this Pearl Harbor was a border skirmish. Had Pearl Harbor not occurred when it did and the US delayed it&#039;s entry into WWII long enough for the Nazis to finish their missile and bomb making research..  Had the delay occurred long enough for Lindbergh to run for President and win...  There are novels of these &quot;alternate universes&quot;.

Pearl Harbor served the US interests (industrialization, relocation of the population west, militarization, bomb and plane building, atomic research, plastics and radio research, GI Bill and higher education for the masses, etc.) so much there&#039;s reasonable speculation our government actually welcomed it. 911 spurred the country to even greater self destruction, being related to the real estate bubble, TSA madness and various economic upheavals. 

It would have been interesting if 911 had spurred us to round up and intern all illegals, to bar Islamists from entering the country at all or some other response other than to set interest rates at Zero and inflate bubbles. Too bad Reagan and Thatcher weren&#039;t at the height of their power at 911. 

On well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen:  911 is a huge impact in warfare. It is asymmetrical warfare &#8211; a David vs Goliath moment if you will. For a capital cost of less than a half million the enemy inflicted billions and billions in damage to the United States (much of it self-inflicted). Just imagine what the next strike &#8211; intended to best 911 &#8211; will do.</p>
<p>Compared to this Pearl Harbor was a border skirmish. Had Pearl Harbor not occurred when it did and the US delayed it&#8217;s entry into WWII long enough for the Nazis to finish their missile and bomb making research..  Had the delay occurred long enough for Lindbergh to run for President and win&#8230;  There are novels of these &#8220;alternate universes&#8221;.</p>
<p>Pearl Harbor served the US interests (industrialization, relocation of the population west, militarization, bomb and plane building, atomic research, plastics and radio research, GI Bill and higher education for the masses, etc.) so much there&#8217;s reasonable speculation our government actually welcomed it. 911 spurred the country to even greater self destruction, being related to the real estate bubble, TSA madness and various economic upheavals. </p>
<p>It would have been interesting if 911 had spurred us to round up and intern all illegals, to bar Islamists from entering the country at all or some other response other than to set interest rates at Zero and inflate bubbles. Too bad Reagan and Thatcher weren&#8217;t at the height of their power at 911. </p>
<p>On well.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 17:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To my point in #3: 
&quot;For Muslim family, faith complicates grief for loved one lost on 9/11&quot;

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/29/911.muslim.widow/index.html?&amp;hpt=hp_c2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my point in #3:<br />
&#8220;For Muslim family, faith complicates grief for loved one lost on 9/11&#8243;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/29/911.muslim.widow/index.html?&#038;hpt=hp_c2" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/29/911.muslim.widow/index.html?&#038;hpt=hp_c2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Capuano</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/08/26/how-to-teach-about-sept-11/comment-page-1/#comment-39117</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Capuano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Aug 2011 06:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think children are exposed to way too much of our adult world. This is such a complex issue that many adults do not even understand. Let children be children. They need to be sheltered from this pain and horror.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think children are exposed to way too much of our adult world. This is such a complex issue that many adults do not even understand. Let children be children. They need to be sheltered from this pain and horror.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also agree with Gordon&#039;s post.  The context of 9-11 needs to be properly placed, as does the context of 10 years vs. any other year.  There is also a U.S. perspective vs. various international/global perspectives.

One of the themes that gives me concern is the alarm that the worst foreign attack on U.S. soil would somehow cripple our country and economy.  The media and certain politicians heightened those concerns for their own ulterior motives and, ironically, enhance the impact of the attacks.  Yes, the attacks had to be countered to prevent future attacks.  But anybody who feels the 9-11 attacks posed a fundamental threat to our systems of government and economy must also have fundamental concerns about the weakness and vulnerability of the systems themselves.

Instead, much like Pearl Harbor in WWII, I feel 9-11 was a wake up call to the U.S. and our international roles and responsibilities in the world.   How we then act (or react) is to be debated.

The U.S. seems to be seeking to reassure itself of it&#039;s own importance,  demonstrating an underlying insecurity born out by reactive economic, military and diplomatic polices of both Bush and Obama administrations, and superficial sound bite policies by both political parties.

FDR warned us that &quot;...the only thing we have to fear is fear itself...&quot;.  Unfortunately this is where we now seem to be.  Until a true leader of FDR&#039;s caliber shows him or herself, with proactive and meaningful policies and the confidence and ability to demonstrate it (statesmanship), will we be able to regain our footing and the confidence that comes with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also agree with Gordon&#8217;s post.  The context of 9-11 needs to be properly placed, as does the context of 10 years vs. any other year.  There is also a U.S. perspective vs. various international/global perspectives.</p>
<p>One of the themes that gives me concern is the alarm that the worst foreign attack on U.S. soil would somehow cripple our country and economy.  The media and certain politicians heightened those concerns for their own ulterior motives and, ironically, enhance the impact of the attacks.  Yes, the attacks had to be countered to prevent future attacks.  But anybody who feels the 9-11 attacks posed a fundamental threat to our systems of government and economy must also have fundamental concerns about the weakness and vulnerability of the systems themselves.</p>
<p>Instead, much like Pearl Harbor in WWII, I feel 9-11 was a wake up call to the U.S. and our international roles and responsibilities in the world.   How we then act (or react) is to be debated.</p>
<p>The U.S. seems to be seeking to reassure itself of it&#8217;s own importance,  demonstrating an underlying insecurity born out by reactive economic, military and diplomatic polices of both Bush and Obama administrations, and superficial sound bite policies by both political parties.</p>
<p>FDR warned us that &#8220;&#8230;the only thing we have to fear is fear itself&#8230;&#8221;.  Unfortunately this is where we now seem to be.  Until a true leader of FDR&#8217;s caliber shows him or herself, with proactive and meaningful policies and the confidence and ability to demonstrate it (statesmanship), will we be able to regain our footing and the confidence that comes with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim and Nextset:  Thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim and Nextset:  Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon:  Good post, I tend to agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon:  Good post, I tend to agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great point, Jim! Media coverage of the event -- and the attention it&#039;s receiving now, 10 years later -- might be interesting to analyze in a number of ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Jim! Media coverage of the event &#8212; and the attention it&#8217;s receiving now, 10 years later &#8212; might be interesting to analyze in a number of ways.</p>
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