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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/03/an-oakland-classroom-on-national-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-40974</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 13:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#41 about sums up the entire political arena on education right now. Community, parenting, social welfare systems, health care, and financial support for education are all exempted. They can all be inadequate, but with the &quot;right teacher&quot; who works hard enough, all should be well.

Time to get started on my day and to see which consultants will be involved in our PD day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41 about sums up the entire political arena on education right now. Community, parenting, social welfare systems, health care, and financial support for education are all exempted. They can all be inadequate, but with the &#8220;right teacher&#8221; who works hard enough, all should be well.</p>
<p>Time to get started on my day and to see which consultants will be involved in our PD day.</p>
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		<title>By: wdcrachel</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/03/an-oakland-classroom-on-national-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-40961</link>
		<dc:creator>wdcrachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2011 02:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. J

I&#039;ve been thinking about this a lot recently. It feels like the greatest asset of the singular focus on teachers is that lets those of us not in the classroom off the hook. If it all depends on the teacher, we have no collective responsibility for the success of schools and students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. J</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this a lot recently. It feels like the greatest asset of the singular focus on teachers is that lets those of us not in the classroom off the hook. If it all depends on the teacher, we have no collective responsibility for the success of schools and students.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. J.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/03/an-oakland-classroom-on-national-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-40920</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 04:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like Cassaretto has some dedicated fans and her energy is certainly impressive!  I don&#039;t feel I have the information necessary to comment on her teaching, having only seen a few snippets of teacher-directed, scripted activities in her classroom.  Nevertheless, I&#039;m happy to celebrate her success!

However, I take issue with Wendy Kopp&#039;s statement that she chose this teacher because she lives and breathes teaching (or something to that effect).  It is not a surprising statement and it fits right in with the superhero narrative, the idealization of these teachers who sacrifice their own lives to save their students.  However, as others have pointed out, this is not a tenable response to the crisis in education.  

I&#039;m not against teachers (or people in any profession) making a choice to devote all of their energy and time to their jobs.  I am against the idea that this amounts to policy.  For education to serve all children, schools and teachers need to be properly supported; issues of poverty and inequity which surround school systems must be addressed; education policy must take this into account.  

Many thousands of teachers might be spending ten and twelve hour days and doing great things in their individual classrooms, but this will not transform education.  And while it is possible that some individual teachers will have the stamina and will (and lack of family, or generosity of partner) to keep up this level of single-minded dedication for many years, reports I&#039;ve read indicate that such gung-ho 80-hour-a-week teachers are the very ones who leave teaching before five years are out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like Cassaretto has some dedicated fans and her energy is certainly impressive!  I don&#8217;t feel I have the information necessary to comment on her teaching, having only seen a few snippets of teacher-directed, scripted activities in her classroom.  Nevertheless, I&#8217;m happy to celebrate her success!</p>
<p>However, I take issue with Wendy Kopp&#8217;s statement that she chose this teacher because she lives and breathes teaching (or something to that effect).  It is not a surprising statement and it fits right in with the superhero narrative, the idealization of these teachers who sacrifice their own lives to save their students.  However, as others have pointed out, this is not a tenable response to the crisis in education.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not against teachers (or people in any profession) making a choice to devote all of their energy and time to their jobs.  I am against the idea that this amounts to policy.  For education to serve all children, schools and teachers need to be properly supported; issues of poverty and inequity which surround school systems must be addressed; education policy must take this into account.  </p>
<p>Many thousands of teachers might be spending ten and twelve hour days and doing great things in their individual classrooms, but this will not transform education.  And while it is possible that some individual teachers will have the stamina and will (and lack of family, or generosity of partner) to keep up this level of single-minded dedication for many years, reports I&#8217;ve read indicate that such gung-ho 80-hour-a-week teachers are the very ones who leave teaching before five years are out.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/03/an-oakland-classroom-on-national-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-40910</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AH,
   Holding back for reasons of maturity is very different than holding for academic reasons(obviously).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AH,<br />
   Holding back for reasons of maturity is very different than holding for academic reasons(obviously).</p>
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		<title>By: Debora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 23:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AH:

Parents often put their children in kindergarten at the age the school must legally accept them regardless of whether or not the student is ready to begin school. In the past the cut off was five years old by December 2 of the current year. For parents who held off on kindergarten when the student was eligible according to age there is a year and a half difference in age. Imagine a four year old sitting still and writing for 20 minutes, now imagine a six year old sitting for 20 minutes. Very different picture.

A student in Oakland cannot be held back without parental permission - even in kindergarten or first grade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AH:</p>
<p>Parents often put their children in kindergarten at the age the school must legally accept them regardless of whether or not the student is ready to begin school. In the past the cut off was five years old by December 2 of the current year. For parents who held off on kindergarten when the student was eligible according to age there is a year and a half difference in age. Imagine a four year old sitting still and writing for 20 minutes, now imagine a six year old sitting for 20 minutes. Very different picture.</p>
<p>A student in Oakland cannot be held back without parental permission &#8211; even in kindergarten or first grade.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 22:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.R.,
Actually, that&#039;s not the larger question for me.  Some of the grade repeaters are young for their grade.  At least one is an adoptee, so who knows what his early years were like.  For the kids I know who are repeating, often it&#039;s obvious why they are repeating.  That wasn&#039;t my question at all. I just wanted to know how common it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.R.,<br />
Actually, that&#8217;s not the larger question for me.  Some of the grade repeaters are young for their grade.  At least one is an adoptee, so who knows what his early years were like.  For the kids I know who are repeating, often it&#8217;s obvious why they are repeating.  That wasn&#8217;t my question at all. I just wanted to know how common it is.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AH,
   The larger question becomes, why has it become so necessary to hold children back? Why are we having to choose between a bad choice(retention) and a worse choice(social promotion)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AH,<br />
   The larger question becomes, why has it become so necessary to hold children back? Why are we having to choose between a bad choice(retention) and a worse choice(social promotion)?</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/03/an-oakland-classroom-on-national-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-40905</link>
		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does anybody track retention rates at Oakland schools?  It&#039;s not uncommon at our OUSD elementary to hold kids back.  In fact, it&#039;s common enough that there seems to be no stigma attached.  Off the top of my head I can think of 10 or so children who have repeated a grade, often kindy or 1st, but I know of two who are repeating 4th grade this year.  Is this rare in OUSD?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody track retention rates at Oakland schools?  It&#8217;s not uncommon at our OUSD elementary to hold kids back.  In fact, it&#8217;s common enough that there seems to be no stigma attached.  Off the top of my head I can think of 10 or so children who have repeated a grade, often kindy or 1st, but I know of two who are repeating 4th grade this year.  Is this rare in OUSD?</p>
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		<title>By: AC Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steven:

Students should have more opportunities to attend schools that either reflect their aptitude or their interests.  Are there recent graduates/current students of Oakland puplic schools capable of being admitted  to (and graduating from) Stanford or an Ivy League Univesity? Yes, but what specialized schools provide are opportunities for more focused and rigorous instruction in that schools focus area, socialization (different fields have their own social norms), networking opportunities, etc.  The article you referenced (&quot;Exam High Schools and Academic Achievement: Evidence From New York City&quot;)can be intepreted a myriad of ways; however, the research and the results are by no means conclusive.  One of the reports authors&#039; are quoted in the New York Times as stating:

&quot;Without longer-term measures such as income, health, or life satisfaction,&quot; they note, &quot;it is difficult to fully interpret our results.&quot;  

As a current OUSD parent, I would welcome the opportunity for my children to have more educational choices, and I believe that a selective middle and high school is needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:</p>
<p>Students should have more opportunities to attend schools that either reflect their aptitude or their interests.  Are there recent graduates/current students of Oakland puplic schools capable of being admitted  to (and graduating from) Stanford or an Ivy League Univesity? Yes, but what specialized schools provide are opportunities for more focused and rigorous instruction in that schools focus area, socialization (different fields have their own social norms), networking opportunities, etc.  The article you referenced (&#8220;Exam High Schools and Academic Achievement: Evidence From New York City&#8221;)can be intepreted a myriad of ways; however, the research and the results are by no means conclusive.  One of the reports authors&#8217; are quoted in the New York Times as stating:</p>
<p>&#8220;Without longer-term measures such as income, health, or life satisfaction,&#8221; they note, &#8220;it is difficult to fully interpret our results.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As a current OUSD parent, I would welcome the opportunity for my children to have more educational choices, and I believe that a selective middle and high school is needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Harold, I agree that the student you describe is unlikely to succeed in high school, but making him repeat eighth grade will not help him succeed either. Some other intervention will be required. The sad truth is that neither social promotion nor retaining students is a successful strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold, I agree that the student you describe is unlikely to succeed in high school, but making him repeat eighth grade will not help him succeed either. Some other intervention will be required. The sad truth is that neither social promotion nor retaining students is a successful strategy.</p>
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