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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2011/10/18/a-cautionary-tale-san-diego-schools-on-brink-of-insolvency-look-to-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-41565</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 06:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do on news stories. Blogs are different. But that&#039;s why I&#039;m exploring the possibility of creating a FB discussion group.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do on news stories. Blogs are different. But that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m exploring the possibility of creating a FB discussion group.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, &amp; also I agree, it shows how a dysfunctional state esp. in regards to finances can cause heap loads of problems for effective governance.  The State&#039;s GOT to get ahold of their finances instead of these short-term political compromises that are killing the schools.

Neither big businesses nor the state unions are doing Schools any favors.  I just wish the OEA &amp; other teachers unions would realize the State Unions are ready to sell the entire school system into the Pacific Ocean, while simultaneously making a hypocritical argument that Teachers Unions shouldn&#039;t complain because that would hurt State Employees.  

Wish they cared 1/2 as much about the schools as they do about State Govt.  Same with Big Business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, &amp; also I agree, it shows how a dysfunctional state esp. in regards to finances can cause heap loads of problems for effective governance.  The State&#8217;s GOT to get ahold of their finances instead of these short-term political compromises that are killing the schools.</p>
<p>Neither big businesses nor the state unions are doing Schools any favors.  I just wish the OEA &amp; other teachers unions would realize the State Unions are ready to sell the entire school system into the Pacific Ocean, while simultaneously making a hypocritical argument that Teachers Unions shouldn&#8217;t complain because that would hurt State Employees.  </p>
<p>Wish they cared 1/2 as much about the schools as they do about State Govt.  Same with Big Business.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No thanks to Facebook.  I like the existing system, thank you.
Thanks for the clarification Jim.  I think the word &quot;use&quot; of the bond money was mentioned and that through me off.  Because borrow can be different things to different people (short vs. long term) it really helps knowing this is short-term borrowing for temporary cash flow caused by the state.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No thanks to Facebook.  I like the existing system, thank you.<br />
Thanks for the clarification Jim.  I think the word &#8220;use&#8221; of the bond money was mentioned and that through me off.  Because borrow can be different things to different people (short vs. long term) it really helps knowing this is short-term borrowing for temporary cash flow caused by the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Katy,
Any chance of the Tribune adopting fb, google, or another universal sign-in for comments, the way the San Jose paper does?
Anyone we can contact to encourage that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Katy,<br />
Any chance of the Tribune adopting fb, google, or another universal sign-in for comments, the way the San Jose paper does?<br />
Anyone we can contact to encourage that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen:

If you look at the video of the most recent Finance and Human Resources Committee meeting, you will hear the administration explaining how the $60 million borrowed from school construction funding last school year will be repaid this school year.  

According to Budget Department administrator Mr. Coleman the District does temporary borrowing.  It has borrowed from construction fund and is currently speaking to the County about borrow temporary funding to have flexibility to make payments across each month.  According to Mr. Hal temporary borrowed money is schedule to be repaid with $50 million scheduled in December and $10 million in April.  In December property tax collected in November is distributed.

What I am trying to understand is the reference by Mr. Coleman to property taxes includes Measure G&#039;s approximately $20 million and then is the District borrowing in part against Measure G to repaid school construction money borrowed last year.  Enough to make my head swim because decentralized expenditures of Measure G money is being spent at the school sites.

Borrowing against existing money doesn&#039;t cause interest to be charged.  Borrowing from the county, or privately, will.  But without internal borrowing we are singing 16 tons and another day older and deeper in debt.

As for the State auditor, I don&#039;t think borrowing usually comes to the auditor&#039;s attention unless short term borrowing isn&#039;t repaid.

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen:</p>
<p>If you look at the video of the most recent Finance and Human Resources Committee meeting, you will hear the administration explaining how the $60 million borrowed from school construction funding last school year will be repaid this school year.  </p>
<p>According to Budget Department administrator Mr. Coleman the District does temporary borrowing.  It has borrowed from construction fund and is currently speaking to the County about borrow temporary funding to have flexibility to make payments across each month.  According to Mr. Hal temporary borrowed money is schedule to be repaid with $50 million scheduled in December and $10 million in April.  In December property tax collected in November is distributed.</p>
<p>What I am trying to understand is the reference by Mr. Coleman to property taxes includes Measure G&#8217;s approximately $20 million and then is the District borrowing in part against Measure G to repaid school construction money borrowed last year.  Enough to make my head swim because decentralized expenditures of Measure G money is being spent at the school sites.</p>
<p>Borrowing against existing money doesn&#8217;t cause interest to be charged.  Borrowing from the county, or privately, will.  But without internal borrowing we are singing 16 tons and another day older and deeper in debt.</p>
<p>As for the State auditor, I don&#8217;t think borrowing usually comes to the auditor&#8217;s attention unless short term borrowing isn&#8217;t repaid.</p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy:

Thank you for clarifying.  

It would greatly increase the cost to the state; but, if the state by statue, or better yet by constitutional law, was required to deliver payment for the school year in a lump sum at the school year start, the need to borrow would be less and add stability in school district&#039;s finances.

I am not clear that Federal money could be required delivery in the same fashion. 

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy:</p>
<p>Thank you for clarifying.  </p>
<p>It would greatly increase the cost to the state; but, if the state by statue, or better yet by constitutional law, was required to deliver payment for the school year in a lump sum at the school year start, the need to borrow would be less and add stability in school district&#8217;s finances.</p>
<p>I am not clear that Federal money could be required delivery in the same fashion. </p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim: I didn&#039;t think you were suggesting that. I was just clarifying the point to Livegreen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: I didn&#8217;t think you were suggesting that. I was just clarifying the point to Livegreen.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 05:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy:

I did not mean that the District borrowed the money permanently from its set aside of Construction bond money.  Nor did I mean that the Board prior to the state take-over was trying to use construction bond money and not pay it back with future attendance earnings.  

I did mean that the borrowing was to deal with the cash flow problem districts have when they don&#039;t have sufficient cash to cover payroll but have attendance that would support borrowing until the state pays up.  

This borrowing is necessary even when the state isn&#039;t delaying payment because payroll and other bills are often due before the state makes entitlement payments that are not given as a lump sum at the beginning of the year but delivered in so many payments per year.  

I don&#039;t know how many times a year the state is scheduled to pay a district.  I suspect that the delayed payment(s) are usually after the Governors May revise in recent years.  

The state crisis has just compounded a continuing problem that all districts have to face.  The two or three percent required reserve may be able to be touched for cash flow payments but I am only guessing in that regard. 

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy:</p>
<p>I did not mean that the District borrowed the money permanently from its set aside of Construction bond money.  Nor did I mean that the Board prior to the state take-over was trying to use construction bond money and not pay it back with future attendance earnings.  </p>
<p>I did mean that the borrowing was to deal with the cash flow problem districts have when they don&#8217;t have sufficient cash to cover payroll but have attendance that would support borrowing until the state pays up.  </p>
<p>This borrowing is necessary even when the state isn&#8217;t delaying payment because payroll and other bills are often due before the state makes entitlement payments that are not given as a lump sum at the beginning of the year but delivered in so many payments per year.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many times a year the state is scheduled to pay a district.  I suspect that the delayed payment(s) are usually after the Governors May revise in recent years.  </p>
<p>The state crisis has just compounded a continuing problem that all districts have to face.  The two or three percent required reserve may be able to be touched for cash flow payments but I am only guessing in that regard. </p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I&#039;m remembering this correctly, the district has borrowed from (and paid back) the facilities fund as a way to cope with cash flow problems caused mainly by the state&#039;s habit of deferring large payments owed to school districts. The district has not permanently appropriated the funds for non-facilities expenses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;m remembering this correctly, the district has borrowed from (and paid back) the facilities fund as a way to cope with cash flow problems caused mainly by the state&#8217;s habit of deferring large payments owed to school districts. The district has not permanently appropriated the funds for non-facilities expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are quite some allegations.  I sure hope you&#039;re wrong Jim.  School construction bond money is meant for just &amp; ONLY that.  I think you&#039;re wrong both for this reason and on the principal that the State Auditor installed at OUSD HQ would probably object to it (at least I would hope they would).

If you&#039;re right, this is a disaster waiting to happen to schools scheduled for construction that haven&#039;t received funding yet.  If you&#039;re wrong, then you should be checking your facts before putting them out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are quite some allegations.  I sure hope you&#8217;re wrong Jim.  School construction bond money is meant for just &amp; ONLY that.  I think you&#8217;re wrong both for this reason and on the principal that the State Auditor installed at OUSD HQ would probably object to it (at least I would hope they would).</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re right, this is a disaster waiting to happen to schools scheduled for construction that haven&#8217;t received funding yet.  If you&#8217;re wrong, then you should be checking your facts before putting them out there.</p>
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