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	<title>Comments on: California weighs the hefty cost of NCLB relief</title>
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	<description>Katy Murphy&#039;s blog on Oakland schools</description>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t say it was all Hills schools.  I said it was almost no Slope-Middle Income schools, esp. for Facilities.  Instead it&#039;s almost only for Hills &amp; Flatland schools.  Your link proves my point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say it was all Hills schools.  I said it was almost no Slope-Middle Income schools, esp. for Facilities.  Instead it&#8217;s almost only for Hills &amp; Flatland schools.  Your link proves my point.</p>
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		<title>By: oak261</title>
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		<dc:creator>oak261</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen: Look at the Facilities report from this randomly found Board meeting -- sure doesn&#039;t look like all the money is going to the hills.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/files/2011/05/Agenda-5.11.11.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen: Look at the Facilities report from this randomly found Board meeting &#8212; sure doesn&#8217;t look like all the money is going to the hills.<br />
<a href="http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/files/2011/05/Agenda-5.11.11.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/files/2011/05/Agenda-5.11.11.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I mean is there&#039;s a large # of Hills elementary schools (at least the ones with high local attendance) that are having buildings &amp; grounds redone or additions.  Whereas there are very few in the &quot;slope&quot; or middle income schools.

The middle income schools also have less parent-backed (PTA) fundraising than the Hills &amp; less OUSD funding than the Flatlands.  This makes it harder for these schools to both support the lower income families who Option in, while also building the academic support &amp; high quality facilities that retain and attract families.

It&#039;s great that so much building is happening at the Hills schools (that Hills parents attend), but it&#039;s time for it to be extended to schools that get equally less attention from OUSD + have less resources than the Hills schools.

Re. Hills schools that don&#039;t have the upper income/high neighborhood enrollment, they&#039;re in the same camp as these middle income/slope schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean is there&#8217;s a large # of Hills elementary schools (at least the ones with high local attendance) that are having buildings &amp; grounds redone or additions.  Whereas there are very few in the &#8220;slope&#8221; or middle income schools.</p>
<p>The middle income schools also have less parent-backed (PTA) fundraising than the Hills &amp; less OUSD funding than the Flatlands.  This makes it harder for these schools to both support the lower income families who Option in, while also building the academic support &amp; high quality facilities that retain and attract families.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great that so much building is happening at the Hills schools (that Hills parents attend), but it&#8217;s time for it to be extended to schools that get equally less attention from OUSD + have less resources than the Hills schools.</p>
<p>Re. Hills schools that don&#8217;t have the upper income/high neighborhood enrollment, they&#8217;re in the same camp as these middle income/slope schools.</p>
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		<title>By: another interested parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>another interested parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I know is what I have seen at the &quot;hills&quot; school my kids attend.  Their school does not seem to receive &quot;comparatively more support from OUSD than &#039;between&#039; or &#039;Slope&#039; schools.&quot;  It receives only the bare minimum support required -- the funds it has to provide from average daily attendance -- and absolutely nothing more.  There is a perception out there (as shown in Livegreen&#039;s post) that &quot;hills&quot; schools are somehow taking more of OUSD&#039;s energy, attention, and money than other schools, but I just haven&#039;t seen it.  Maybe folks would like to believe that because it is an easy scapegoat and provides an easy answer as to what is wrong in OUSD?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I know is what I have seen at the &#8220;hills&#8221; school my kids attend.  Their school does not seem to receive &#8220;comparatively more support from OUSD than &#8216;between&#8217; or &#8216;Slope&#8217; schools.&#8221;  It receives only the bare minimum support required &#8212; the funds it has to provide from average daily attendance &#8212; and absolutely nothing more.  There is a perception out there (as shown in Livegreen&#8217;s post) that &#8220;hills&#8221; schools are somehow taking more of OUSD&#8217;s energy, attention, and money than other schools, but I just haven&#8217;t seen it.  Maybe folks would like to believe that because it is an easy scapegoat and provides an easy answer as to what is wrong in OUSD?</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen, what do you mean when you say Hills schools have received comparatively more support from OUSD?  I&#039;m not disagreeing with you (because I don&#039;t know either way), but I would love specific examples.  It has been my impression that &quot;Hills&quot; schools have more resources due to their parent-led fundraising, not because OUSD is doing anything special for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen, what do you mean when you say Hills schools have received comparatively more support from OUSD?  I&#8217;m not disagreeing with you (because I don&#8217;t know either way), but I would love specific examples.  It has been my impression that &#8220;Hills&#8221; schools have more resources due to their parent-led fundraising, not because OUSD is doing anything special for them.</p>
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		<title>By: On the Fence</title>
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		<dc:creator>On the Fence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livegreen,

Can you describe the &quot;comparatively more support&quot; that &#039;Hills&#039; schools receive from OUSD?  I understand that many schools in the flatlands DO get more funding due to their student populations, however, I recall Katy publishing a list of the per pupil funding rates a few years back and many of the top performing &#039;Hills&#039; schools received the least money (my vague recollection so it could be hazy).  Yes, I understand that the &#039;Hills&#039; schools often supplement with volunteer hours and parental donations, but I specifically want to know about the financial support that you say they are receiving from OUSD. BTW, I am not trying to prove you wrong, I truly just want to get a handle on this.  In fact, I&#039;d be interested in seeing the stats again about per pupil spending for our schools if Katy has any current data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen,</p>
<p>Can you describe the &#8220;comparatively more support&#8221; that &#8216;Hills&#8217; schools receive from OUSD?  I understand that many schools in the flatlands DO get more funding due to their student populations, however, I recall Katy publishing a list of the per pupil funding rates a few years back and many of the top performing &#8216;Hills&#8217; schools received the least money (my vague recollection so it could be hazy).  Yes, I understand that the &#8216;Hills&#8217; schools often supplement with volunteer hours and parental donations, but I specifically want to know about the financial support that you say they are receiving from OUSD. BTW, I am not trying to prove you wrong, I truly just want to get a handle on this.  In fact, I&#8217;d be interested in seeing the stats again about per pupil spending for our schools if Katy has any current data.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not attacking the Hills schools.  &amp; I agree, there are some Hills schools that are ignored, for example Grass Valley &amp; Carl Munck (like Kaiser, both schools only serve a small % of Hills residents).  

All I&#039;m saying is that Hills schools (like Flatland schools) have received comparatively more support from OUSD than the &quot;between&quot; or &quot;Slope&quot; schools.  Importantly those Hills schools that pull from their neighborhoods (which I&#039;ve acknowledged is not all) also have a higher income base to supplement their missing services with (just as any other wealthier school district does).  So as low a bar as OUSD has in helping, these schools have more resources to help them deal with it.

I agree that ALL schools, including Hills schools (even the comparatively wealthy ones) need assistance.  Why?  Because we need to retain those children and families to keep OUSD scores growing and help the tax base.  We need a true &quot;ecosystem&quot; like other Communities &amp; School Districts have.  Helping one helps all.

By the same token, pointing out that the schools in the Middle do not have the same resources is not &quot;attacking&quot; anybody.  It&#039;s acknowledging a reality (with certain exceptions) that need to be addressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not attacking the Hills schools.  &amp; I agree, there are some Hills schools that are ignored, for example Grass Valley &amp; Carl Munck (like Kaiser, both schools only serve a small % of Hills residents).  </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is that Hills schools (like Flatland schools) have received comparatively more support from OUSD than the &#8220;between&#8221; or &#8220;Slope&#8221; schools.  Importantly those Hills schools that pull from their neighborhoods (which I&#8217;ve acknowledged is not all) also have a higher income base to supplement their missing services with (just as any other wealthier school district does).  So as low a bar as OUSD has in helping, these schools have more resources to help them deal with it.</p>
<p>I agree that ALL schools, including Hills schools (even the comparatively wealthy ones) need assistance.  Why?  Because we need to retain those children and families to keep OUSD scores growing and help the tax base.  We need a true &#8220;ecosystem&#8221; like other Communities &amp; School Districts have.  Helping one helps all.</p>
<p>By the same token, pointing out that the schools in the Middle do not have the same resources is not &#8220;attacking&#8221; anybody.  It&#8217;s acknowledging a reality (with certain exceptions) that need to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaiser parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaiser parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#17, I concur. There&#039;s a lot of backlash against the higher performing schools, including ours which is dubbed a &quot;Hills&quot; school though it serves a primarily flatland and slopes population. The truth us these schools get zero extra funding and are fortunate only through the parents rate of volunteering and supporting programs financially. Yes, that is a disparity. But attacking the so-called Hills schools will do absolutely nothing to better the Flatland schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17, I concur. There&#8217;s a lot of backlash against the higher performing schools, including ours which is dubbed a &#8220;Hills&#8221; school though it serves a primarily flatland and slopes population. The truth us these schools get zero extra funding and are fortunate only through the parents rate of volunteering and supporting programs financially. Yes, that is a disparity. But attacking the so-called Hills schools will do absolutely nothing to better the Flatland schools.</p>
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		<title>By: another interested parent</title>
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		<dc:creator>another interested parent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;hills&quot; school my kids attend is pretty much ignored by OUSD.  No extra funds or assistance or equipment or guidance of any kind.  If it isn&#039;t provided by the parents, this school doesn&#039;t get it.  So, Livegreen, when you state that OUSD funding is going to &quot;hills&quot; schools, please note that, at least at this one -- that is not the case.  And, I disagree with the comments made that OUSD is focused on the bright kids and the below proficient kids.  The bright kids are absolutely left to their own devices.  Anyone have any good experience with the GATE program?  Is there even any kind of GATE program anymore?  OUSD is focused on getting the below proficient kids up to proficient -- because that is how to increase test scores the fastest.  The kids in the middle and the top get very little focus or attention and that is really too bad and yet another reason that folks leave the system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;hills&#8221; school my kids attend is pretty much ignored by OUSD.  No extra funds or assistance or equipment or guidance of any kind.  If it isn&#8217;t provided by the parents, this school doesn&#8217;t get it.  So, Livegreen, when you state that OUSD funding is going to &#8220;hills&#8221; schools, please note that, at least at this one &#8212; that is not the case.  And, I disagree with the comments made that OUSD is focused on the bright kids and the below proficient kids.  The bright kids are absolutely left to their own devices.  Anyone have any good experience with the GATE program?  Is there even any kind of GATE program anymore?  OUSD is focused on getting the below proficient kids up to proficient &#8212; because that is how to increase test scores the fastest.  The kids in the middle and the top get very little focus or attention and that is really too bad and yet another reason that folks leave the system.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OUSD Parent,  Just to be clear, I meant maybe the Parents are not as intelligent as they think.

I agree with you on every point you&#039;ve made.  To back that up, I&#039;ve repeatedly stressed that OUSD does not support the &quot;middle tier&quot;.  In line with your comments, I think if they did they&#039;d find a lot more retention and start turning around the #&#039;s of departing families (also helping their financial base).

OUSD has done a lot of emphasis on the Hills schools.  More might need to be done, but that&#039;s where the retention has increased &amp; funding is going.  As OUSD gets that settled it&#039;s time to expand that to the &quot;middle tier&quot; schools, families &amp; students who don&#039;t have the same level of public OR private funding...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUSD Parent,  Just to be clear, I meant maybe the Parents are not as intelligent as they think.</p>
<p>I agree with you on every point you&#8217;ve made.  To back that up, I&#8217;ve repeatedly stressed that OUSD does not support the &#8220;middle tier&#8221;.  In line with your comments, I think if they did they&#8217;d find a lot more retention and start turning around the #&#8217;s of departing families (also helping their financial base).</p>
<p>OUSD has done a lot of emphasis on the Hills schools.  More might need to be done, but that&#8217;s where the retention has increased &amp; funding is going.  As OUSD gets that settled it&#8217;s time to expand that to the &#8220;middle tier&#8221; schools, families &amp; students who don&#8217;t have the same level of public OR private funding&#8230;</p>
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