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		<title>By: del</title>
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		<dc:creator>del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gordon Danning
My comment is definitely not about you or other teachers who are on leave for valid reasons, especially reasons that will benefit the students in the classroom. It is for the teachers who go on leave year after year or anytime they have a conflict with an administrator. Those teachers are entitled to their &quot;jobs&quot; back, but the students have no way to get their education back. 
It is definitely a slippery slope but for me it is always about what is in the best interest of students—a year away to get a masters&#039; degree would benefit the students. Going on &quot;stress leave&quot; three Octobers in a row and having the &quot;rights&quot; to go back to that classroom does not sound like it is a benefit to the students. 
Add to that the number of new teachers who are given temp contracts because of the shrinking number of students in the district (to protect teachers who may be &quot;consolidated&quot; from their old jobs) makes it difficult to attract and retain new talent. 
Unfortunately, this goes back to the union&#039;s choice to protect the jobs of adults rather than trying to ensure that the best adult is in the classroom with children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordon Danning<br />
My comment is definitely not about you or other teachers who are on leave for valid reasons, especially reasons that will benefit the students in the classroom. It is for the teachers who go on leave year after year or anytime they have a conflict with an administrator. Those teachers are entitled to their &#8220;jobs&#8221; back, but the students have no way to get their education back.<br />
It is definitely a slippery slope but for me it is always about what is in the best interest of students—a year away to get a masters&#8217; degree would benefit the students. Going on &#8220;stress leave&#8221; three Octobers in a row and having the &#8220;rights&#8221; to go back to that classroom does not sound like it is a benefit to the students.<br />
Add to that the number of new teachers who are given temp contracts because of the shrinking number of students in the district (to protect teachers who may be &#8220;consolidated&#8221; from their old jobs) makes it difficult to attract and retain new talent.<br />
Unfortunately, this goes back to the union&#8217;s choice to protect the jobs of adults rather than trying to ensure that the best adult is in the classroom with children.</p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The district has a long history of arbitrarily giving out temporary contracts to new teachers who are NOT replacing a teacher on leave. It is reasonable to give a &quot;replacement teacher&quot; a temporary contract, but OUSD routinely gives far more temp contracts than are teachers out on leave. The union has never actually been able to get that data from HR, even though they have asked many times over the years.

How students/schools are harmed by these types of contracts is that qualified and excellent teachers apply to other districts with less dysfunction, and then a certain percent of OUSD positions are revolving doors for teaching. Having year after year turnover of staff does NOT benefit anyone.

When a teacher is out on leave (whatever type) for a year, it is reasonable that their replacement be given a temporary contract.

Although not related, Del made some very important points about interns under OTF and TFA are not given temp contracts. They are given a golden key in to OUSD. According to NCLB, anyone with an intern credential is considered to have the &quot;proper credential.&quot; And yes, there are a much higher percent of those brand new intern teachers in special education classrooms.

So, Katy - does the date mean that there were only 2 temporary teachers in all of OUSD last year? I would be very surprised by that! I personally know of 3 teachers who are definitely out on leave this year, and have always known of new teachers hired on temp contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The district has a long history of arbitrarily giving out temporary contracts to new teachers who are NOT replacing a teacher on leave. It is reasonable to give a &#8220;replacement teacher&#8221; a temporary contract, but OUSD routinely gives far more temp contracts than are teachers out on leave. The union has never actually been able to get that data from HR, even though they have asked many times over the years.</p>
<p>How students/schools are harmed by these types of contracts is that qualified and excellent teachers apply to other districts with less dysfunction, and then a certain percent of OUSD positions are revolving doors for teaching. Having year after year turnover of staff does NOT benefit anyone.</p>
<p>When a teacher is out on leave (whatever type) for a year, it is reasonable that their replacement be given a temporary contract.</p>
<p>Although not related, Del made some very important points about interns under OTF and TFA are not given temp contracts. They are given a golden key in to OUSD. According to NCLB, anyone with an intern credential is considered to have the &#8220;proper credential.&#8221; And yes, there are a much higher percent of those brand new intern teachers in special education classrooms.</p>
<p>So, Katy &#8211; does the date mean that there were only 2 temporary teachers in all of OUSD last year? I would be very surprised by that! I personally know of 3 teachers who are definitely out on leave this year, and have always known of new teachers hired on temp contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Danning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Danning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Del:

I don&#039;t understand your comment (in #5) re: the union creating instability (and &quot;too bad for kids&quot;) re: the District giving temporary contracts to teachers who are replacing teachers who are out on leave.  I took a leave of absence this year to pursue a Master&#039;s degree. I have a right to return to the District in September.  If the district hired someone to replace me for a year, what is wrong with giving that person a temporary contract? How does that harm students?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Del:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your comment (in #5) re: the union creating instability (and &#8220;too bad for kids&#8221;) re: the District giving temporary contracts to teachers who are replacing teachers who are out on leave.  I took a leave of absence this year to pursue a Master&#8217;s degree. I have a right to return to the District in September.  If the district hired someone to replace me for a year, what is wrong with giving that person a temporary contract? How does that harm students?</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/03/15/pink-slips-2012-a-different-story/comment-page-1/#comment-49939</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Del,
    More good points, thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Del,<br />
    More good points, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: del</title>
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		<dc:creator>del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oakteach, you make a good point about teachers with out proper credentials also being given &quot;temp&quot; contracts. However, my understanding is that is state law: until you have a proper california issued credential or training, you cannot be offered a tenure track position. I know for many of those teachers last year, they remained on temp contracts because of the positions &quot;held&quot; by union members.
OTF and TFA teachers are awarded tenure track positions immediately, as per OTF &amp; TFA&#039;s contracts with the district (which I believe date to the days when oakland usd was run by the state.) In the case of OTF, those adults are used for staffing special education classrooms that are sadly so hard to staff. In either case, my understanding is that since they receive their initial training from a state-approved internship program they are eligible for probationary contracts.

Another thing to keep in mind is assuming positive intent. Although every OUSD employee has no doubt experienced some waiting or frustration with the HR department, it is  demeaning to insinuate that they are &quot;prioritizing&quot; some teachers over others or that they some how do not have the best interests of children in mind. They are governed by very specific, very complicated state and federal law, and constantly have to work around the many union issues as well. Whether or not those rules are in the best interests of children is a whole other question, but it is disingenuous at best to assume the HR department actively working against teachers... especially since the vast majority of employees in HR are paid far less than teachers and have much less job security!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oakteach, you make a good point about teachers with out proper credentials also being given &#8220;temp&#8221; contracts. However, my understanding is that is state law: until you have a proper california issued credential or training, you cannot be offered a tenure track position. I know for many of those teachers last year, they remained on temp contracts because of the positions &#8220;held&#8221; by union members.<br />
OTF and TFA teachers are awarded tenure track positions immediately, as per OTF &amp; TFA&#8217;s contracts with the district (which I believe date to the days when oakland usd was run by the state.) In the case of OTF, those adults are used for staffing special education classrooms that are sadly so hard to staff. In either case, my understanding is that since they receive their initial training from a state-approved internship program they are eligible for probationary contracts.</p>
<p>Another thing to keep in mind is assuming positive intent. Although every OUSD employee has no doubt experienced some waiting or frustration with the HR department, it is  demeaning to insinuate that they are &#8220;prioritizing&#8221; some teachers over others or that they some how do not have the best interests of children in mind. They are governed by very specific, very complicated state and federal law, and constantly have to work around the many union issues as well. Whether or not those rules are in the best interests of children is a whole other question, but it is disingenuous at best to assume the HR department actively working against teachers&#8230; especially since the vast majority of employees in HR are paid far less than teachers and have much less job security!</p>
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		<title>By: oakteach</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakteach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Temporary contracts are also issued if the teacher is coming without the &quot;correct&quot; credential (usually from out of state).  Mysteriously OTF and TFA teachers, although coming with NO credential and usually from out of state, are not issued temp contracts.

So according to HR, it is better to be a first year intern who has never taught than an experienced teacher who is teaching new content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temporary contracts are also issued if the teacher is coming without the &#8220;correct&#8221; credential (usually from out of state).  Mysteriously OTF and TFA teachers, although coming with NO credential and usually from out of state, are not issued temp contracts.</p>
<p>So according to HR, it is better to be a first year intern who has never taught than an experienced teacher who is teaching new content.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Del,
   Thanks for the clarification! I must add, you have some good points also.

This is a little OT but Stanford University held a nice roundtable on educational issues that we are facing, and it is very informative.

http://www.stanford.edu/roundtable/webcast/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Del,<br />
   Thanks for the clarification! I must add, you have some good points also.</p>
<p>This is a little OT but Stanford University held a nice roundtable on educational issues that we are facing, and it is very informative.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stanford.edu/roundtable/webcast/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stanford.edu/roundtable/webcast/</a></p>
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		<title>By: del</title>
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		<dc:creator>del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Temp teachers are not given temporary contracts &quot;randomly&quot;—they are given temporary contracts only if a union employee is &quot;owed&quot; a job and is for whatever reason not currently in a position. As a result, it may seem random but it is actually by union rules (for example, there may be 15 English teachers on leave and four science teachers on leave, as a result 15 teachers with English credentials will be given temporary contracts when hired). 
This is the opposite of the district creating a perfect storm with hiring, it is actually the union creating this instability... and fighting against mutual matching. Too bad for the kids!

But back to the article: it is extremely impressive that the district sent out so many fewer pink slips this year. That is very heartening!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Temp teachers are not given temporary contracts &#8220;randomly&#8221;—they are given temporary contracts only if a union employee is &#8220;owed&#8221; a job and is for whatever reason not currently in a position. As a result, it may seem random but it is actually by union rules (for example, there may be 15 English teachers on leave and four science teachers on leave, as a result 15 teachers with English credentials will be given temporary contracts when hired).<br />
This is the opposite of the district creating a perfect storm with hiring, it is actually the union creating this instability&#8230; and fighting against mutual matching. Too bad for the kids!</p>
<p>But back to the article: it is extremely impressive that the district sent out so many fewer pink slips this year. That is very heartening!</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/03/15/pink-slips-2012-a-different-story/comment-page-1/#comment-49917</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many new teachers were hired on temporary contracts in 2011-12 (as Oakland Teacher said, some unknowingly)  -- and, subsequently, received termination letters last spring. I don&#039;t know if there were fewer temporary teachers this year, or just fewer cuts, but just two temporary teachers are losing their positions this year, according to the district administration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many new teachers were hired on temporary contracts in 2011-12 (as Oakland Teacher said, some unknowingly)  &#8212; and, subsequently, received termination letters last spring. I don&#8217;t know if there were fewer temporary teachers this year, or just fewer cuts, but just two temporary teachers are losing their positions this year, according to the district administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/03/15/pink-slips-2012-a-different-story/comment-page-1/#comment-49916</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Oakland Teacher. I should have added that caveat. Don&#039;t teachers whose positions are funded partially (or wholly) by special-purpose funding or grants receive these notices every year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Oakland Teacher. I should have added that caveat. Don&#8217;t teachers whose positions are funded partially (or wholly) by special-purpose funding or grants receive these notices every year?</p>
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