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	<title>Comments on: Tribune forum on March 29: Join us!</title>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just received confirmation that Kevin Taylor, Mack&#039;s principal, will be on the panel. So McClymonds will be represented!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just received confirmation that Kevin Taylor, Mack&#8217;s principal, will be on the panel. So McClymonds will be represented!</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Carla,

Did you write me? If so, I completely missed that. We had no intention of excluding Mack from the discussion. Your principal was one of the first people I invited, though I have yet to hear back from him. Some folks from the alumni association plan to join us too. Please come and participate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carla,</p>
<p>Did you write me? If so, I completely missed that. We had no intention of excluding Mack from the discussion. Your principal was one of the first people I invited, though I have yet to hear back from him. Some folks from the alumni association plan to join us too. Please come and participate!</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a teacher at McClymonds High School. LAST WEEK, I expressed an interest in being a part of the panel. However, organizers have seen fit to exclude McClymonds from the conversation (yet again). It is our position that if we cannot be a part of the conversation, then we should be left out of the plan! If Tony Smith were truly interested in hearing from ALL affected schools/teachers/students, then he would insist that there be representation from the THREE CAMPUSES where he is IMPOSING the TSA position. Further, this is EXTREME shortsightedness on behalf of the organizers. We feel disrespected and ignored. Unfortunately, it is not a surprise that McClymonds has been left out, we have come to expect such treatment. However, we WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT!! Right the wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a teacher at McClymonds High School. LAST WEEK, I expressed an interest in being a part of the panel. However, organizers have seen fit to exclude McClymonds from the conversation (yet again). It is our position that if we cannot be a part of the conversation, then we should be left out of the plan! If Tony Smith were truly interested in hearing from ALL affected schools/teachers/students, then he would insist that there be representation from the THREE CAMPUSES where he is IMPOSING the TSA position. Further, this is EXTREME shortsightedness on behalf of the organizers. We feel disrespected and ignored. Unfortunately, it is not a surprise that McClymonds has been left out, we have come to expect such treatment. However, we WILL NEVER ACCEPT IT!! Right the wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UPDATE: I&#039;m hearing there is a small chance we won&#039;t be able to live-stream Thursday&#039;s forum. I hope that&#039;s not the case, but wanted to give you all a heads up, just in case!

I&#039;ll keep you posted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: I&#8217;m hearing there is a small chance we won&#8217;t be able to live-stream Thursday&#8217;s forum. I hope that&#8217;s not the case, but wanted to give you all a heads up, just in case!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep you posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine: The important thing you point out is the use of the palliative words as part of the de-facto mission statement of these &quot;schools&quot;.

The black children are thought of as less than real people. That&#039;s how I characterize the treatment the urban schools give them. Think of it as a triage situation where they are written off as hopeless. What do you do in triage for the people you write off as going to die anyway? Palliative treatment.  You make them as comfortable as you can but don&#039;t fix anything. You certainly don&#039;t waste treatment that might &quot;hurt&quot;.

Thus the overriding concern for &quot;“self-esteem” “love” “kindness” “culturally responsive” and other buzz words.&quot;  Actions speak louder than words. Educrats want to kill &#039;em with kindness - since they are thought of as dead anyway. It&#039;s just better that way.

So no discipline and no corrective actions on them. That might hurt, you know.

You don&#039;t see such loving concern for the Korean immigrants - or the Jewish kids, or any other group assigned to the success groups.

Perhaps the black students were much better off in segregated schools run by black returning military faculty and admin.  Like Dunbar High...  See how much babying they handed out.

Brave New World.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine: The important thing you point out is the use of the palliative words as part of the de-facto mission statement of these &#8220;schools&#8221;.</p>
<p>The black children are thought of as less than real people. That&#8217;s how I characterize the treatment the urban schools give them. Think of it as a triage situation where they are written off as hopeless. What do you do in triage for the people you write off as going to die anyway? Palliative treatment.  You make them as comfortable as you can but don&#8217;t fix anything. You certainly don&#8217;t waste treatment that might &#8220;hurt&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thus the overriding concern for &#8220;“self-esteem” “love” “kindness” “culturally responsive” and other buzz words.&#8221;  Actions speak louder than words. Educrats want to kill &#8216;em with kindness &#8211; since they are thought of as dead anyway. It&#8217;s just better that way.</p>
<p>So no discipline and no corrective actions on them. That might hurt, you know.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t see such loving concern for the Korean immigrants &#8211; or the Jewish kids, or any other group assigned to the success groups.</p>
<p>Perhaps the black students were much better off in segregated schools run by black returning military faculty and admin.  Like Dunbar High&#8230;  See how much babying they handed out.</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine:  Good Post.

The answer is of course that there are no plans. There is no expectancy that the &quot;behind&quot; kids will survive in the Brave New World. And the Educrats take no responsibility for that fact. As far as they are concerned it&#039;s the &quot;parent(s)&quot; fault. This is a basic (emotional?) self-protection mode for the Educrats.

It&#039;s not that they&#039;re evil, it&#039;s just that they feel no responsibility for what happens to any of these kids. It&#039;s just a paycheck.

This is why as presently constituted, the public schools will not change - they will only deteriorate further. If the teachers don&#039;t like it they should quit and take a better job elsewhere.

Think of it as evolution in action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine:  Good Post.</p>
<p>The answer is of course that there are no plans. There is no expectancy that the &#8220;behind&#8221; kids will survive in the Brave New World. And the Educrats take no responsibility for that fact. As far as they are concerned it&#8217;s the &#8220;parent(s)&#8221; fault. This is a basic (emotional?) self-protection mode for the Educrats.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re evil, it&#8217;s just that they feel no responsibility for what happens to any of these kids. It&#8217;s just a paycheck.</p>
<p>This is why as presently constituted, the public schools will not change &#8211; they will only deteriorate further. If the teachers don&#8217;t like it they should quit and take a better job elsewhere.</p>
<p>Think of it as evolution in action.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 03:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy: I have read how &quot;self-esteem&quot; &quot;love&quot; &quot;kindness&quot; &quot;culturally responsive&quot; and other buzz words. I would like to know from the panelists, specifically Tony Smith and Betty Olson-Jones how those things or traditional teaching with traditional teachers is going to add to the number of high school students, specifically minority high school students who are able to pass the high school exit exam. 

I have not seen any planning on how to take students from the skill set they have NOW through at least one full grade level of learning in a school year. In some cases the students are so far behind that they would have to compact two or more years in each school subject to pass the exit exam. What are the plans?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy: I have read how &#8220;self-esteem&#8221; &#8220;love&#8221; &#8220;kindness&#8221; &#8220;culturally responsive&#8221; and other buzz words. I would like to know from the panelists, specifically Tony Smith and Betty Olson-Jones how those things or traditional teaching with traditional teachers is going to add to the number of high school students, specifically minority high school students who are able to pass the high school exit exam. </p>
<p>I have not seen any planning on how to take students from the skill set they have NOW through at least one full grade level of learning in a school year. In some cases the students are so far behind that they would have to compact two or more years in each school subject to pass the exit exam. What are the plans?</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 00:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sending those along!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sending those along!</p>
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		<title>By: makeitgoaway</title>
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		<dc:creator>makeitgoaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Katy- ask some of these questions...

Have you determined that longer hours are the only way to address the problems of inner city education?

Would you consider a boarding school model like the Harlem Children&#039;s Zone?

where else has this worked?  why do you think it will work here?  

what specific measurement data will you have to see to determine if this is a success?  

Why are you confident you have chosen the best principal and administrative staff to  oversee this, given their past levels of failure?

is the Union reaction (against) what you anticipated?  

If this works, will you export this model to other struggling schools?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katy- ask some of these questions&#8230;</p>
<p>Have you determined that longer hours are the only way to address the problems of inner city education?</p>
<p>Would you consider a boarding school model like the Harlem Children&#8217;s Zone?</p>
<p>where else has this worked?  why do you think it will work here?  </p>
<p>what specific measurement data will you have to see to determine if this is a success?  </p>
<p>Why are you confident you have chosen the best principal and administrative staff to  oversee this, given their past levels of failure?</p>
<p>is the Union reaction (against) what you anticipated?  </p>
<p>If this works, will you export this model to other struggling schools?</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If only I was gifted enough to manage a 90-minute panel discussion with 20 people... But in all seriousness, it was tough to narrow it down to five or six panelists. Because we know they can&#039;t possibly represent all of the perspectives and backgrounds from these three high schools, we plan to leave ample time for audience participation. As it is, the panelists will have only a few minutes to speak anyway.

I invited Kevin Taylor, Mack&#039;s principal. It&#039;s possible he will join us, though he had another meeting at that time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I was gifted enough to manage a 90-minute panel discussion with 20 people&#8230; But in all seriousness, it was tough to narrow it down to five or six panelists. Because we know they can&#8217;t possibly represent all of the perspectives and backgrounds from these three high schools, we plan to leave ample time for audience participation. As it is, the panelists will have only a few minutes to speak anyway.</p>
<p>I invited Kevin Taylor, Mack&#8217;s principal. It&#8217;s possible he will join us, though he had another meeting at that time.</p>
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