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		<title>By: justine lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-64923</link>
		<dc:creator>justine lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The board messed up the opportunity to learn about whats the school is about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The board messed up the opportunity to learn about whats the school is about.</p>
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		<title>By: P. D'Antonio</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53202</link>
		<dc:creator>P. D'Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 23:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The elementary school kids and I are sitting here going &quot;Hoot!&quot;  &quot;Hoot!&quot;  &quot;Hoot!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elementary school kids and I are sitting here going &#8220;Hoot!&#8221;  &#8220;Hoot!&#8221;  &#8220;Hoot!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53049</link>
		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christopher Scheer: Thanks for posting these articles. I hope every such article is posted.

Death is out there for everyone. It comes faster to those who are indifferent to it&#039;s risk factors.

Being a thug is a mighty risk factor. Public Schools should teach it&#039;s products about the things most likely to destroy their lives prematurely and coach them to shun high risk factors and anyone who indulges in them. That doesn&#039;t mean teens can&#039;t get themselves killed. Many will. But at least if they are dancing on thin ice there should be no illusions about what they have done and about the people around them who enabled it and egged them on.

As far as the car wrecks - It&#039;s amazing I and all my friends avoided wrecks growing up in the east bay. I can say I know of no DUIs among my friends.  Nowadays it&#039;s common for DUI behavior to flourish in the 16 to 25 age group. My generation somehow seemed to plan drinking back then - it happened, but with preparation(sleepovers, designated drivers) . Maybe booze is easier to come by now. I tend to think that planning of all kinds is just not done the way it used to be. Maybe it was early training by violent nuns and violent parents that got us into planning mode. The Nuns are gone and Parents now don&#039;t use theraputic violence as much as they should have. I think we were brought up better than the current products. 

As far as sympathy for anyone properly killed by the police - you lost me at &quot;Gold Grills&quot;. The police kill thugs during the commission of their crimes so that we don&#039;t have to ourselves. Nonetheless I am aware of incredible gun buying among law abiding people lately.

Many good people I know are ready, willing and able to shoot a thug during the commission of a violent crime. You can even take classes on when to shoot at the local Jr College (gun courses). I took the class. We had long discussions of when you shoot and when you wait (for the green light over their head to turn on?). I am unhappy that black &quot;youth&quot; are kept so unaware of what is out there waiting for them when they do commit violent crime. They can be killed summarily during their commission of a violent crime. No discussion, not warning shots. In (Jr College 832PC) class we were severely coached never to fire warning shots and to always bracket the target in the kill zone. 

I talk to people who say they can&#039;t jog anymore for being attacked by stray pit bulls. Their attitude toward thugs is the same as toward their pit bulls. No mercy. When an attack comes the response has already been thought out. So you can imagine how the police train and practice shooting. The have to go into thug encounters as their jobs, they can&#039;t refuse the encounter. There is no illusion about how feral these thugs are, they get to know them well.

My black family has always had handguns and long guns back to the early 20th century. They were ready for any attackers black or white. Funny, the potential white attackers are not foremost in our minds nowadays and we&#039;re black. I remember several black women in the 1960s in Oakland keeping loaded handguns in their purses. And they (properly) used them. Oakland was a blast in the 1960s you know. When we got blacks into the Oakland Police Management in the mid 20th Century they quietly issued CCWs to blacks. That way you could stick around and make a statement instead of always leaving and not reporting an incident.

Don&#039;t think any of this is anything new. Commit a violent crime - or go looking like you are - and expect someone to shoot you dead. Police or Civillian. And don&#039;t expect any decent people to cry over your body.  

So don&#039;t be a thug. You&#039;ll last a lot longer.  We should teach this in school. Along with hand washing and teeth brushing.

Brave New World.

And by that I mean some people are having problems and some people seem to be born not to have such problems. We no longer train people of all walks for social mobility.  It&#039;s a Caste system now. Too Bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christopher Scheer: Thanks for posting these articles. I hope every such article is posted.</p>
<p>Death is out there for everyone. It comes faster to those who are indifferent to it&#8217;s risk factors.</p>
<p>Being a thug is a mighty risk factor. Public Schools should teach it&#8217;s products about the things most likely to destroy their lives prematurely and coach them to shun high risk factors and anyone who indulges in them. That doesn&#8217;t mean teens can&#8217;t get themselves killed. Many will. But at least if they are dancing on thin ice there should be no illusions about what they have done and about the people around them who enabled it and egged them on.</p>
<p>As far as the car wrecks &#8211; It&#8217;s amazing I and all my friends avoided wrecks growing up in the east bay. I can say I know of no DUIs among my friends.  Nowadays it&#8217;s common for DUI behavior to flourish in the 16 to 25 age group. My generation somehow seemed to plan drinking back then &#8211; it happened, but with preparation(sleepovers, designated drivers) . Maybe booze is easier to come by now. I tend to think that planning of all kinds is just not done the way it used to be. Maybe it was early training by violent nuns and violent parents that got us into planning mode. The Nuns are gone and Parents now don&#8217;t use theraputic violence as much as they should have. I think we were brought up better than the current products. </p>
<p>As far as sympathy for anyone properly killed by the police &#8211; you lost me at &#8220;Gold Grills&#8221;. The police kill thugs during the commission of their crimes so that we don&#8217;t have to ourselves. Nonetheless I am aware of incredible gun buying among law abiding people lately.</p>
<p>Many good people I know are ready, willing and able to shoot a thug during the commission of a violent crime. You can even take classes on when to shoot at the local Jr College (gun courses). I took the class. We had long discussions of when you shoot and when you wait (for the green light over their head to turn on?). I am unhappy that black &#8220;youth&#8221; are kept so unaware of what is out there waiting for them when they do commit violent crime. They can be killed summarily during their commission of a violent crime. No discussion, not warning shots. In (Jr College 832PC) class we were severely coached never to fire warning shots and to always bracket the target in the kill zone. </p>
<p>I talk to people who say they can&#8217;t jog anymore for being attacked by stray pit bulls. Their attitude toward thugs is the same as toward their pit bulls. No mercy. When an attack comes the response has already been thought out. So you can imagine how the police train and practice shooting. The have to go into thug encounters as their jobs, they can&#8217;t refuse the encounter. There is no illusion about how feral these thugs are, they get to know them well.</p>
<p>My black family has always had handguns and long guns back to the early 20th century. They were ready for any attackers black or white. Funny, the potential white attackers are not foremost in our minds nowadays and we&#8217;re black. I remember several black women in the 1960s in Oakland keeping loaded handguns in their purses. And they (properly) used them. Oakland was a blast in the 1960s you know. When we got blacks into the Oakland Police Management in the mid 20th Century they quietly issued CCWs to blacks. That way you could stick around and make a statement instead of always leaving and not reporting an incident.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think any of this is anything new. Commit a violent crime &#8211; or go looking like you are &#8211; and expect someone to shoot you dead. Police or Civillian. And don&#8217;t expect any decent people to cry over your body.  </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t be a thug. You&#8217;ll last a lot longer.  We should teach this in school. Along with hand washing and teeth brushing.</p>
<p>Brave New World.</p>
<p>And by that I mean some people are having problems and some people seem to be born not to have such problems. We no longer train people of all walks for social mobility.  It&#8217;s a Caste system now. Too Bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Scheer</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53040</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Scheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 22:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to piggyback on this unrelated article, but thought the community might want to see these stories by Skyline journalism students about two of our seniors who have died within the past month:

Alan Blueford
http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/05/18/senior-killed-by-oakland-police/

Tay Tabeson
http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/04/30/school-mourns-tay-tabeson-concerned-for-2-injured/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to piggyback on this unrelated article, but thought the community might want to see these stories by Skyline journalism students about two of our seniors who have died within the past month:</p>
<p>Alan Blueford<br />
<a href="http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/05/18/senior-killed-by-oakland-police/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/05/18/senior-killed-by-oakland-police/</a></p>
<p>Tay Tabeson<br />
<a href="http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/04/30/school-mourns-tay-tabeson-concerned-for-2-injured/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skylineoracle.com/news/2012/04/30/school-mourns-tay-tabeson-concerned-for-2-injured/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oakland Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53030</link>
		<dc:creator>Oakland Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This closure is not that surprising given the school&#039;s history of dismissing principals and teachers at the end of the day, with no warning, no notice. Now they have done the same thing to their students/families.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This closure is not that surprising given the school&#8217;s history of dismissing principals and teachers at the end of the day, with no warning, no notice. Now they have done the same thing to their students/families.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Mordecai</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53022</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Mordecai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 06:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand how a charter school authorized by OUSD can allow another charter to take over their school?

A charter is granted for one organization and it isn&#039;t something that is transferable.

Jim Mordecai]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand how a charter school authorized by OUSD can allow another charter to take over their school?</p>
<p>A charter is granted for one organization and it isn&#8217;t something that is transferable.</p>
<p>Jim Mordecai</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Weinberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 04:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found it interesting that the Civicorps Board tried to find another charter provider to take over their school, but failed. A recent article in Education Week said that many charter groups were not interested in expanding in California because of the low per student funding in the state. Some people claim that California school funding is adequate, and the only problems are bureaucracy and unions. The experiences of charter schools shows that that contention is untrue.
Without the passage of the tax measure this fall, things will get much worse for all public schools, including charters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it interesting that the Civicorps Board tried to find another charter provider to take over their school, but failed. A recent article in Education Week said that many charter groups were not interested in expanding in California because of the low per student funding in the state. Some people claim that California school funding is adequate, and the only problems are bureaucracy and unions. The experiences of charter schools shows that that contention is untrue.<br />
Without the passage of the tax measure this fall, things will get much worse for all public schools, including charters.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.ibabuzz.com/education/2012/05/15/a-sudden-school-closure-in-oakland/comment-page-1/#comment-53013</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 23:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend avers: &quot;There are three ways to make a lot of money in the ghetto: Be a preacher, sell drugs or open a charter school.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend avers: &#8220;There are three ways to make a lot of money in the ghetto: Be a preacher, sell drugs or open a charter school.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Teaches at Oakland School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teaches at Oakland School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 20:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Black Pine Circle is $18,200 a year up to grade 6, and 2000 over that for 6-8. That is REALLY expensive and even with financial aid, way beyond the means of most of the public school families. Their &quot;scholarships cover 5-7% of the tuition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Pine Circle is $18,200 a year up to grade 6, and 2000 over that for 6-8. That is REALLY expensive and even with financial aid, way beyond the means of most of the public school families. Their &#8220;scholarships cover 5-7% of the tuition.</p>
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		<title>By: Nextset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nextset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 14:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa:  The schools you list, are any of them High Schools or Jr Highs?

In my experience this is the point that problems become clear and distinct with dull or mentally ill and mentally disordered students.

Historically such students are removed from &quot;real&quot; schools and placed in Continuation Schools. The process complained of here is that OUSD is the local  Continuation School and sush undesirables are merely being routed to the place established for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa:  The schools you list, are any of them High Schools or Jr Highs?</p>
<p>In my experience this is the point that problems become clear and distinct with dull or mentally ill and mentally disordered students.</p>
<p>Historically such students are removed from &#8220;real&#8221; schools and placed in Continuation Schools. The process complained of here is that OUSD is the local  Continuation School and sush undesirables are merely being routed to the place established for them.</p>
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